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Old 03-15-2017, 03:38 PM
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If You Could Add 1 Player for NCAA Tournament...

I saw an interesting debate on another school's board. If you could add 1 UD player from the last 15 years to contribute for the tournament run, who would it be? I know the obvious for some would be BRob. But looking at the current team, with Scooch and our other guards, I think I would go with Wright. He would be a perfect fit for Archie's system to get out and run. He would be another big body that we could use to defend the post. The other guy I would consider would be Waleskowski. His 14 and 10 his senior year and ability to defend in the post would be a huge help on this team that lacks a big guy.
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I can't believe I missed that one. I was looking back at all the old teams and at stats from past teams. I can't believe that I did that!
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I can't believe I missed that one. I was looking back at all the old teams and at stats from past teams. I can't believe that I did that!
Not too late to change your mind!
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The good news is he won't play, but he will be in attendance and on the court with his teammates for all 40 minutes and this team needs to lean on him for strength and focus.
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Big Steve #5
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:09 PM
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Thinking Big Steve #5 is going to be there in Spirit and keep shots from falling. RIP big guy
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I have heard that Steve's family will be in attendance.
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Okay, Big Steve is the only answer. But let's say besides Big Steve because this could be a fun thread.

We're strong at guard so BRob is out for me. I think I'd go with Kavs because he's what we lack this season and proved to be a big difference in our elite 8 run. Maybe Finn or Waleskowski. Wright's not bad either. Whoever it is, he needs to be a big body that can rebound and cause other team to have to fight to score inside.
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Okay, Big Steve is the only answer. But let's say besides Big Steve because this could be a fun thread.

We're strong at guard so BRob is out for me. I think I'd go with Kavs because he's what we lack this season and proved to be a big difference in our elite 8 run. Maybe Finn or Waleskowski. Wright's not bad either. Whoever it is, he needs to be a big body that can rebound and cause other team to have to fight to score inside.
OK. After Steve, with this team it would have to be KW or maybe CW. Perryman is just outside the window and G is too crowded for BR...i
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I would go with Finn.

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OK. After Steve, with this team it would have to be KW or maybe CW. Perryman is just outside the window and G is too crowded for BR...i
Yep, window is small, if we could go back 35 years I would say let's go small with Velvet.
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Why not go with our greatest? Or how about Hank Finkel?

Oops. I missed the last 15 years part.

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Big Steve gets my "any player" vote.

If we have to limit it to those who are with us in body as well as spirit, I'll go with Finn. Almost said Waleskowski, but Steve would have made a he!uva difference this year, and Sharky is the next best thing to Big Steve. Shot blocking threat, with a deft shooting touch in the post. A combination this team doesn't have without combining a few players.
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Is this based on the player they were in college? Or the player they turned into after? If the latter, then I'll throw Chris Johnson's name into the mix.
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My dad and I were discussing this the other day. My choice would be Chris Wright. Hands down. This team as it is currently, just wins games, true. However what is missing in the court of public opinion is that extra factor that brings eyeballs...Winning with STYLE.

And it wouldn't just be on the offensive end.
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Beside Big Steve. Ryan Perryman.
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Beside Big Steve. Ryan Perryman.
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#5 is the obvious choice, but if not him...

Perryman, Perryman and more Perryman. Before there was Pollard, there was Perryman. A man's man...a woman's man...a King's man...a Royal man.

But more importantly, a good man.

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My choice would be Vee Sanford..... because it is the 3rd anniversary of "Vee" day, when he hit THE short heard around THE University of Dayton!
Will one of the current Flyers be the next Vee....
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lets expand it to 19 years.

That said....It's Ryan Perryman, it's always Ryan Perryman
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Perryman, Perryman and more Perryman. Before there was Pollard, there was Perryman. A man's man...a woman's man...a King's man...a Royal man.

But more importantly, a good man.

All Hale Ryan Perryman!

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Today i am proud of a great many of you. I think we can all agree if this was a real vote it would be Steve 100% everybody else 0%. We all miss Steve. But i agree with Smitty, this is a really fun thread and we should keep it lighthearted. That said the 2nd,3rd and 4th smartest posters on this board have just shown themselves.
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Measured against what is needed for a great team:

3 point shooting: adequate
Ball handling: adequate (great + poor at backup)
Team IQ: high
Man defense: above average
Team defense: high
Character: high
FT shooting: adequate
Fast break: adequate
Score in the 1/2 court: average to below average
Athleticism: below average
Rebounding: poor
Shot blocking / intimidation: poor


To me, we need someone who brings a scary presence in the middle and rebounds, plus can score you some points in the 1/2 court. Wright over Finn for blocked shots / intimidation / rebounds, but Finn over Wright for scoring in the 1/2 court. (Finn only had 624 career rebounds / 5.1, Wright had 887 / 7.2.) Finn scored over 1,000 points and nearly every one was in the 1/2 court set, so in that sense I would pick Finn.

KW good at PF but we've got those skills covered pretty well, though he was a great rebounder.

On net, it's Wright this team needs if not Steve. But there are certainly nights we could use Finn's baby hook in the 1/2 court.
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KW first thought..need someone to bang the boards both sides of the ball.

Sounds INSANE but honestly Matt K too...It wasn't pretty but he was monumental in our run. Good post defender and good rebounder. That's needed desperately.
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Obviously - Big Steve, but Throw Devin Oliver on this team and we are undefeated as well. Loved that kid.
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I've thought about this stupid question way too much. My initial thought was that we would need some size (Finn, Waleskowski) or at least a multi-position big (Pierre, Wright) but I've settled on Brian Roberts. I think the upgrade in the backcourt with Roberts starting and Kyle Davis as a defensive substitute would have the biggest impact. Give me Scoochie/Roberts back court and I'll take my chances.
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I think with this team, I want DMO. Not for his play necessarily, but because he was a fantastic motivator, and I honestly think this team lacks that level of leader. No slam on the seniors at all, but remember those locker room clips of DMO firing up the troops? Show me one of those since him departure.

Or BRob, because we could definitely use his 30-point potential.
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Today i am proud of a great many of you. I think we can all agree if this was a real vote it would be Steve 100% everybody else 0%. We all miss Steve. But i agree with Smitty, this is a really fun thread and we should keep it lighthearted. That said the 2nd,3rd and 4th smartest posters on this board have just shown themselves.
What? That they don't know how to subtract 15 from 2017?
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What? That they don't know how to subtract 15 from 2017?
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Why not go with our greatest? Or how about Hank Finkel?

Oops. I missed the last 15 years part.
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Today i am proud of a great many of you. I think we can all agree if this was a real vote it would be Steve 100% everybody else 0%. We all miss Steve. But i agree with Smitty, this is a really fun thread and we should keep it lighthearted. That said the 2nd,3rd and 4th smartest posters on this board have just shown themselves.
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I think Chris Wright would make this current team pretty incredible!
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Ok, I'll be that one.

I don't think Chris Wright works on this team.

What did Chris Wright do good? Come from behind a man and block shots. Score points and cheers from alley-oops.

How is that going to work on this team? Our defense is pretty good, and we don't get beat that often. And I think the only alley-oops we've tried in the last 4 years are the inbounds plays to Pollard curving into the lane.

rollo said that before Pollard, there was Perryman. Well, I was thinking about another "point-forward" type guy we had who did well at the top of the key.

Charles Little.

He had strength, and was able to either take it to the hoop or pass it to someone when the opponent was playing zone and he was in the middle. I'd take Little over Wright, myself.
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Ok, I'll be that one.

I don't think Chris Wright works on this team.

What did Chris Wright do good? Come from behind a man and block shots. Score points and cheers from alley-oops.

How is that going to work on this team? Our defense is pretty good, and we don't get beat that often. And I think the only alley-oops we've tried in the last 4 years are the inbounds plays to Pollard curving into the lane.

rollo said that before Pollard, there was Perryman. Well, I was thinking about another "point-forward" type guy we had who did well at the top of the key.

Charles Little.

He had strength, and was able to either take it to the hoop or pass it to someone when the opponent was playing zone and he was in the middle. I'd take Little over Wright, myself.
I considered Nate Green before deciding on Wright. There's certainly an argument to be made for some bulk on the court. I would take Green over Little. Green had more skill I think, Charles was the better athlete. I struggle to add guys who can't shoot, pass, or dribble (and yet I picked Wright??).
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Ok, I'll be that one.

I don't think Chris Wright works on this team.

What did Chris Wright do good? Come from behind a man and block shots. Score points and cheers from alley-oops.

How is that going to work on this team? Our defense is pretty good, and we don't get beat that often. And I think the only alley-oops we've tried in the last 4 years are the inbounds plays to Pollard curving into the lane.

rollo said that before Pollard, there was Perryman. Well, I was thinking about another "point-forward" type guy we had who did well at the top of the key.

Charles Little.

He had strength, and was able to either take it to the hoop or pass it to someone when the opponent was playing zone and he was in the middle. I'd take Little over Wright, myself.
Wright could get out and run, and was great in transition. That is why I think he would fit this system well. We play our best when we get the ball down the floor quickly and score in transition. When he actually played the 4, not out of position at the 3, he was a decent defender and a good rim protector. He also could get to the line a good amount and got other teams in foul trouble because he could slash to the rim. With Pollard not having his same explosion, and Cunningham not quite back yet, Wright's 8 rebounds a game and another athletic defender in the post would fit nice right now.
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Prior to last night's game I would've said Perryman all day. Now I say I would've killed to have Sibert out there last night.
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Prior to last night's game I would've said Perryman all day. Now I say I would've killed to have Sibert out there last night.
Yep. Seems to be the difference maker in winning at the dance and not because he did it with the same four we had out there last year and 3 that we had out there this year.
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Or perhaps the difference is the ability to rebound the ball.

Lack of consistent perimeter shooting in the half court and rebounding were weak spots for the last two years.
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Or perhaps the difference is the ability to rebound the ball.

Lack of consistent perimeter shooting in the half court and rebounding were weak spots for the last two years.
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yep, because Pierre got us 10 rebounds a game.

Why in the heck do you people continue to not admit what's right in front of your eyes, Cooke as a replacement for Sibert set us back to something between the BG years and 2014-2015. I realize you all hate to agree with me but Cooke in place of Sibert set us back a ways. But keep telling yourself different, history proves you wrong, even recent history.

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Would Sibert make this team better. Yeah, a perimeter shooter would since UD really wasn't effective. But the games this team lost, they usually got destroyed on the offensive glass. Why can't you see what's right in front of your eyes.

The Elite 8 team had size. They outrebounded opponents fairly consistently. The small ball team the next year could definitely get outrebounded, and did at times. They won a first four game and a favorable matchup against Providence. Lost second round. In neither game did they play a team that would slow pace, play half court defense and crash glass. Last two years they've been destroyed on the boards in the first round.

It's both. And I don't think Sibert makes much of a difference against Wichita State. I think he struggles to get shots up, like against Florida.

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Why in the heck do you people continue to not admit what's right in front of your eyes, Cooke as a replacement for Sibert set us back to something between the BG years and 2014-2015. I realize you all hate to agree with me but Cooke in place of Sibert set us back a ways. But keep telling yourself different, history proves you wrong, even recent history.
Instead of trashing Cooke in every thread why don't you just start a thread dedicated to trashing him? Oh wait, you've already done that.
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Would Sibert make this team better. Yeah, a perimeter shooter would since UD really wasn't effective. But the games this team lost, they usually got destroyed on the offensive glass. Why can't you see what's right in front of your eyes.

The Elite 8 team had size. They outrebounded opponents fairly consistently. The small ball team the next year could definitely get outrebounded, and did at times. They won a first four game and a favorable matchup against Providence. Lost second round. In neither game did they play a team that would slow pace, play half court defense and crash glass. Last two years they've been destroyed on the boards in the first round.

It's both. And I don't think Sibert makes much of a difference against Wichita State. I think he struggles to get shots up, like against Florida.
I agree with what you said until the last part. This game was tied still late in the game and play after play Dayton couldn't find an answer on offense. During this six minute stretch they didn't score a single field goal. Sibert was the one player since BRob who you could turn to and KNOW that he could score. One Sibert three pointer during that stretch and we may be playing Kentucky today.
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Not necessarily. Sobers could not get shots against Florida in the Elite 8. UD struggled just to get him the ball. I don't think WS lets him get shots either. They would have taken him away and made others score.

Look at how hard WS is making it for Ky to get the shots they want.

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Dyshawn Pierre over Devin Oliver by a nose. They both were important pieces of 3 NCAA teams, but Pierre was a bit more reliable offensively over the 3 years.
If he goes to Bonaventure, UD is definitely no the same team.
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Not necessarily. Sobers could not get shots against Florida in the Elite 8. UD struggled just to get him the ball. I don't think WS lets him get shots either. They would have taken him away and made others score.

Look at how hard WS is making it for Ky to get the shots they want.
Not getting shots is one bad thing, taking them anyway compounds the problem. JS rarely forced anything.
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The thing this team lacked the most was a big to protect the glass and play with attitude. I'd go with Perryman.
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Dyshawn Pierre over Devin Oliver by a nose.
By a what? A nose? Only if it's a mile long nose.



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Pierre was a bit more reliable offensively over the 3 years.
A Bit? How large is a bit in your world?

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Not getting shots is one bad thing, taking them anyway compounds the problem. JS rarely forced anything.
Which is why he oldnhade the difference when rebounding may have.

As for your continued one note (maybe two now) I suggest you call Archie and tell hi his offensive scheme of setting up iso for Cooke and Pollard was asinine. They ran the offense the way he wanted it run. Archie knew he was much more limited in half court sets.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
Which is why he oldnhade the difference when rebounding may have.

As for your continued one note (maybe two now) I suggest you call Archie and tell hi his offensive scheme of setting up iso for Cooke and Pollard was asinine. They ran the offense the way he wanted it run. Archie knew he was much more limited in half court sets.
You keep coming up with this stupid response that I need to call out Archie instead of Choke. If you can prove that AM tells Choke to drive the lane and throw up off balanced shots instead of kicking it back outside, I'll agree with you. AM is a smart coach, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over a player that consistently showed he can't make the right decison.

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How many times do you see Archie sit Cooke or Pollard because they made a play that you don't like and that is outside his offense? Might he pull them after those shots when they are outside of what he wants? It seldom happened.

Archie is a smart coach. He recognizes he had a team with subpar abilities in the half court, and no post presence. He knows he often has two players on the court with very limited abilities to score. Archie has said he ran sets to isolate Cooke and Pollard because of that. It's been mentioned by multiple announcers.

By the way, kick it out to who? Kyle or Darrell who didn't make shots or wouldn't take them. Xeyrius who was airballing half of what he threw up. Or Pollard, who shot about 33% and who you also labeled as playing selfishly.
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