Anthony Grant Article

[MD Flyer Pride]

Excellent article about Anthony Grant by Tom Archdeacon.

Grant is a 1st class individual. Not sure if he will be the next head coach or not. I am hoping so!

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...HBHPGXFF2G8qK/

Go Flyers!

[jerseyflyer09]

i get the impression we have offered him and the other names are people we've reached out to in case he says no. Not claiming any knowledge, just my gut.

[T-Bone 84]

Arch's articles usually give an insight into a topic that you can't get anywhere else, and today's article on Anthony Grant is no exception. Didn't know Grant and Frank Martin went to high school together.

Also, this helped convince me that Grant will do a very good job if selected to replace Miller. He has the right character makeup for the job, and (based on the Florida Gator references in the article) may be a better recruiter than many of us thought.

Hopefully, we hear something about our new HC before the weekend.
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[MD Flyer Pride]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 i get the impression we have offered him and the other names are people we've reached out to in case he says no. Not claiming any knowledge, just my gut.

I was wondering the same thing. I have no inside knowledge. The longer it goes, though, I am not feeling as good.

[ud2]

I hope it is not AG. I am sure that he is a good guy, but he is just not a very good coach IMO. He is not terrible, but he will not advance the program. Better options are available.

[jerseyflyer09]

Originally Posted by ud2 I hope it is not AG. Just not a very good coach IMO. Better options are available.

VCU, even when it was in a smaller conference, was a much more similar program to Dayton than Alabama was. He went 76-25 in 3 years at VCU, and finished first in the conference every year (over a George Mason team that went to a final 4, by the way). He beat Duke as an 11 seed in the NCAA tournament. AND he recruited the majority of the members of the final 4 team Shaka had 2 years after Grant's departure.

He was mediocre at Alabama, a good season or 2 mixed in. That's a really, really hard job. Dayton is an easier job than Bama, period. He also has over a decade of coaching experience with one of the best coaches in the history of college basketball. And, lastly, he seems to care a lot about our program.

I'm not sure who the better option is today.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by ud2 I hope it is not AG. I am sure that he is a good guy, but he is just not a very good coach IMO. He is not terrible, but he will not advance the program. Better options are available.

I with ud2 on this. The search criteria I feel like some people have are to simply hire a great person who they think will never leave UD. We already had one of those. His name was Brian Gregory.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 VCU, even when it was in a smaller conference, was a much more similar program to Dayton than Alabama was. He went 76-25 in 3 years at VCU, and finished first in the conference every year (over a George Mason team that went to a final 4, by the way). He beat Duke as an 11 seed in the NCAA tournament. AND he recruited the majority of the members of the final 4 team Shaka had 2 years after Grant's departure. He was mediocre at Alabama, a good season or 2 mixed in. That's a really, really hard job. Dayton is an easier job than Bama, period. He also has over a decade of coaching experience with one of the best coaches in the history of college basketball. And, lastly, he seems to care a lot about our program. I'm not sure who the better option is today.

VCU was in the CAA when AG was there, a much easier conference...Gottfried way outperformed AG at Alabama.

I am not on board with AG, choose someone else. It is a safe, low risk, low reward pick. We can do better.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Arch's articles usually give an insight into a topic that you can't get anywhere else, and today's article on Anthony Grant is no exception. Didn't know Grant and Frank Martin went to high school together.Posted via Mobile Device

A lot of great articles have been written and posted here on Anthony Grant over the years. Not sure if this one has, but this piece on Frank and Anthony is worth a read as well.

http://spursandfeathers.com/Columns/...e_Chart/itc219

[jerseyflyer09]

The caa had 2 final 4 teams in the time VCU was there.

[Medford]

The CAA, when Grant was at VCU was much more similar to the A10 as it stands today than the where the CAA is today. VCU, Old Dominion and George Mason were all pretty solid at the time (and all have since left the CAA), as well as UNC-wilmington. The top may not have been as good as the top of the A10 the last few seasons, but it wasn't that far off and there was pretty good depth as well.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ud2 VCU was in the CAA when AG was there, a much easier conference...Gottfried way outperformed AG at Alabama. I am not on board with AG, choose someone else. It is a safe, low risk, low reward pick. We can do better.

Avery Johnson has not done any better at Bama than AG even with the added money and resources that AG did not have.

Gottfried really wasn't that much better at Bama than AG. Somehow he got to an E8 in a year they were 20-13. Gottfried had a few good years, but once Saban got there, the wheels fell off. That is when Bama started sending all it's resources to football.

I think AG would be a good hire. Not my first choice, but someone I think can do a good job, and a lot better than your opinion of him. I am just not sold on some of the assistants some on here are. I do not get the hype on Brannen at all. He was the 4 seed in the Horizon Tournament. Beat 5th seed, 9th seed, and 10th seed. He doesn't win the HLT we are not talking about him today. He needs to show he can win when luck isn't on his side. Also, it is not like he did all the leg work to transition them from DII to DI. Brannen replaced him 2 years ago when they were finally on the cusp of being NCAA eligible.

[ud2]

Gottfried 11 years at Alabama: 6 NCAAT, one of which was an Elite 8. 3 NIT, one of which was a runner up finish.

AG: 6 years at Alabama. 1 NCAAT, 3 NIT, one of which was a runner up finish.

Gottfried did much better.

[jerseyflyer09]

What is a more comparable job though, again; VCU in the CAA or Alabama in the SEC?

[swish61]

Did anyone notice if AG was on Oklahoma Cities bench last night?

[jack72]

Never saw a Grant team at Alabama that played good offense. His coaching reminds me of Gregory, great D and athletes with no shooters, and we do not need to relive that. If he is the hire, so be it. Hopefully he has learned some offense in the last few years.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[ud2]

If AG does not advance the program, Neil can just wash his hands and blame it all on the uber-qualified, big-name AG. It is a risk-averse pick.

[shapanud]

Nothing from Grant directly, but some comments from Billy Donovan on AG possibly to UD:

http://newsok.com/donovan-nothing-to...rticle/5543555

[Beatty Town Coach]

Excellent article, fun read, I love Anthony Grant. His time with the UF Gators is substantial resume feather in his cap.

I like the promotion of current assistants; but I am really leaning Anthony Grant. I hope it is either of those two scenarios. This is likely the last time Anthony Grant will be available for UD, and I think it has a destiny feel to it. Grant belongs on the UD sideline. This would be a great story and hire for UD.

[steve]

Originally Posted by swish61 Did anyone notice if AG was on Oklahoma Cities bench last night?

He was, iirc what someone on here said, but that means very little..Interview probably took place on the phone and in person at a remote location and whomever gets the job it's probably announced tomorrow when almost all the coaches are at the Final four so a staff can be put together rather quickly..

[UDDoug]

Personally, when hiring at UD, I think coaching records at places like Alabama, NC State, Wake Forest, Mississippi, Colorado, Nebraska and Washington State are not relevant.

First, the likelihood of being successful long-term at those schools is very low.

Second, if the coach was successful at that school they aren't interested in UD.

Third, many coaches who have "failed" at those next to impossible jobs and returned to a level between mid-major and high major where they were highly successful tend to do well. See Greg McDermott - his time at Iowa State(?) would indicate WTF is Creighton thinking. And they've good after his son left.

I would rather promote from within, hire a coach successful at mid-major to near high-major level, than another assistant from a high major. But I'm not interviewing the candidates so I have no idea who the best candidate is from those actually interested.

One thing I never understand is why no one considers highly successful D2 coaches. And if he were younger, I'd absolutely ask Geno if he wanted the opportunity to show how great he is by coaching and elevating a successful men's program.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by steve He was, iirc what someone on here said, but that means very little..Interview probably took place on the phone and in person at a remote location and whomever gets the job it's probably announced tomorrow when almost all the coaches are at the Final four so a staff can be put together rather quickly..

And nothing stops UD folks from flying to OKC, meeting in some other airport or city where OKC is playing.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UDDoug One thing I never understand is why no one considers highly successful D2 coaches.

Because that is risky. Missouri just fired Kim Anderson, d2 guys do not always work out at the d1 level.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Medford The CAA, when Grant was at VCU was much more similar to the A10 as it stands today than the where the CAA is today. VCU, Old Dominion and George Mason were all pretty solid at the time (and all have since left the CAA), as well as UNC-wilmington. The top may not have been as good as the top of the A10 the last few seasons, but it wasn't that far off and there was pretty good depth as well.

Grant's arrival to VCU coincided with Brad Brownell's departure from UNC-Wilmington. He had it rolling, then strangely took the Wright State gig. Seahawks were really bad in the 2006-07 and 2008-09 seasons but did manage to put together a pretty good season in 2007-08. But I do agree. It was a decent conference at that point.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 VCU, even when it was in a smaller conference, was a much more similar program to Dayton than Alabama was. He went 76-25 in 3 years at VCU, and finished first in the conference every year (over a George Mason team that went to a final 4, by the way). He beat Duke as an 11 seed in the NCAA tournament. AND he recruited the majority of the members of the final 4 team Shaka had 2 years after Grant's departure. He was mediocre at Alabama, a good season or 2 mixed in. That's a really, really hard job. Dayton is an easier job than Bama, period. He also has over a decade of coaching experience with one of the best coaches in the history of college basketball. And, lastly, he seems to care a lot about our program. I'm not sure who the better option is today.

Mark Gottfired the guy he took over went the NCAA tourney 5 times in a row and had an elite 8 there

All credit to him on putting together the Final Four team but walked into a pretty good situation left behind by Jeff Capel

[DallasFlyer]

First three years on the job, Grant goes 76–25 (.752) overall and 45–9 (.833) in conference at VCU. His squad takes down Duke in a tourney game. Meanwhile Dayton keeps blowing things in conference play under Brian Gregory and settling for NIT appearances. Then Grant whose stock is literally sky high takes the Alabama gig (bad move obviously). When he took that gig, it sure seemed like Dayton would never get a chance to hire the next superstar in the coaching profession, a Dayton alum no less. Funny how things change. Debate whether or not we want him now, but once upon a time I think we all wanted Anthony Grant, and we wanted him badly!

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[ud2]

The 3 years, 2007, 2008, and 2009, that AG was in the CAA, the CAA was ranked as the 13th or 14th best conference, in terms of rpi.

The SEC in those years was much more comparable to the A10, the A10 was a significantly tougher league during those years.

The A1 was ranked 8, 7, and 10.

The SEC was 1, 3, and 6.


http://realtimerpi.com/2008-2009/rpi_conf_Men.html


http://realtimerpi.com/2007-2008/rpi_conf_Men.html


http://realtimerpi.com/2006-2007/rpi_conf_Men.html

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 The 3 years, 2007, 2008, and 2009, that AG was in the CAA, the CAA was ranked as the 13th or 14th best conference, in terms of rpi. The SEC in those years was much more comparable to the A10, the A10 was a significantly tougher league during those years. The A1 was ranked 8, 7, and 10. The SEC was 1, 3, and 6. http://realtimerpi.com/2008-2009/rpi_conf_Men.html http://realtimerpi.com/2007-2008/rpi_conf_Men.html http://realtimerpi.com/2006-2007/rpi_conf_Men.html

I'm not saying I agree or disagree but in terms of recruiting the A10 was probably closer to the CAA than the SEC.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by ud2 I hope it is not AG. I am sure that he is a good guy, but he is just not a very good coach IMO. He is not terrible, but he will not advance the program. Better options are available.

But if he goes to the 15/15 schedule we will do great.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan But if he goes to the 15/15 schedule we will do great.

That would be a good place for him to start.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by ud2 Because that is risky. Missouri just fired Kim Anderson, d2 guys do not always work out at the d1 level.

Aren't all hiring decisions risky? You never know how a top assistant works out, you don't know if a lower level D1 coach can translate to a higher level conference.

Schools like Duquesne, Fordham, Detroit, Youngstown State might need to take a few more risks.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[MD Flyer Pride]

A great day to be a Flyer! Welcome Back, Anthony!!!!

Go Flyers!

[MD Flyer Pride]

Another good article and info about Anthony Grant by Tom Archdeacon...

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...rehbRPYGAeXVN/

Go Flyers!

[jack72]

“There’s no doubt he picked up a lot in these last two years in the NBA,” Hipsher said. “Think about it. He’s gone through 160 games in two years. That’s the equivalent of five college seasons! You’re gonna get something out of that.