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Crosby?

Obviously he's not playing well... But no PT in the second half (except when Crutch fouled out) was strange.

Any details on the reason? Has he lost his starting spot? Was he injured?
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Originally Posted by flyhi524 View Post
Obviously he's not playing well... But no PT in the second half (except when Crutch fouled out) was strange.

Any details on the reason? Has he lost his starting spot? Was he injured?
I think the same thing happened against ODU.

I like Crosby, but Crutcher is as good as Crosby, and only a freshman. Crosby is better on D, but Crutcher better on offense.
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John struggled, but so did the team. This was Josh's poorest game as a Flyer...looked completely lost out there. I believe he had seven turnovers.
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I think Crosby is now back to where he was last year. Playing spot duty to give others a rest. I knew this was as going to happen just surprised it happened this quickly. I think it's a matter of Crutcher being a little better than we thought. My guess is that Crutcher gets 28-30 minutes per game assuming he doesn't get in foul trouble.
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I think Crutcher overall is a better player and will continue to improve and be head and shoulders better than Crosby when all is said and done. But I think there is a time for Crosby and (I can't believe I'm about to say this) in crucial situations (which there weren't many tonight) he is probably a little steadier at this time.
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I think Crosby is now back to where he was last year. Playing spot duty to give others a rest. I knew this was as going to happen just surprised it happened this quickly. I think it's a matter of Crutcher being a little better than we thought. My guess is that Crutcher gets 28-30 minutes per game assuming he doesn't get in foul trouble.
I didn't expect it for another month. Looks like the focus on offense is where AG has his focus...therefore the turnovers and lack of production give the freshman the nod.
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Objectively, Crosby is playing better offensively. Kenpom offensive rating for Crosby of 95.5 and Crutcher of 91.1 (which is a meaningful difference noting only 6 games so small sample size). Crosby plays better ball and help defense. He rebounds better defensively as well (offensive rebounds are part of offensive kenpom rating).

Crutcher, however, has had his two best offensive games the last two rating 117 versus Auburn and 124 versus Akron. Crosby has had only 7 games in his career at 117+ in offensive rating.

I think AG is forgetting this year largely and developing Crutcher for the next 3 years. Crosby has maxed out (he is better than Crutcher right now but not materially enough to keep him the game), but AG is playing the long-game.

My criticisms of Crutcher are:

(1) Stoping gunning the long 3 early in the shot clock. He is shooting 5-25 or 20% for the year. He has shot more three than everyone on the team except Baby D. and X. I rather see Jordan Davis shooting more than Crutchter. Assume he has the green light because he shoots well in practice, but his shot selection (and timing early in the shot clock) is atrocious.

(2) Stop the floater and go strong to the hoop. I know he is of a slight build, but he is shooting the floater as accurately as his 3 point shooting.

(3) Move your feet on ball defense. Plays defense with hands, gets called, and acts like the refs were wrong. He uses his hands to push off even when he is in good defensive position against a driver.

(4) Crutcher is having a difficult time with weak-side help. I don't understand AG's defensive schemes yet, Archie's pack-line was crystal clear. But I don't see Crutcher providing weak-side help defense effectively. Nor do I see him closing out his player well when the ball is reversed to the player he is guarding.

Saying this, he is 6 games in. He actually has a better offensive rating after 6 games at 91 than Scoochie had for the year at 89.5. Small sample size, but good start. Also trending in the right way.

BTW, Crutcher has had 2/6 game of 120+ offensive rating whereas Scoochie had 9/37 games of 120+ his Freshman year.
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John struggled, but so did the team. This was Josh's poorest game as a Flyer...looked completely lost out there. I believe he had seven turnovers.
In Josh's defense, two of those were when he was shuffled the ball near the top of the key in transition by Crosby, which is the point guard's fault for not recognizing personnel. You never shuffle the ball to a post player running north/south at speed near the top of the key in transition. They are not ball handlers and will travel 90% of the time. You can see it happening 3 seconds before it even happens. We had this same issue with Chris Wright getting the ball in that same spot and committing the exact same travels.

Shuffling that same ball to a guard? No problem.
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In Josh's defense, two of those were when he was shuffled the ball near the top of the key in transition by Crosby, which is the point guard's fault for not recognizing personnel. You never shuffle the ball to a post player running north/south at speed near the top of the key in transition. They are not ball handlers and will travel 90% of the time. You can see it happening 3 seconds before it even happens. We had this same issue with Chris Wright getting the ball in that same spot and committing the exact same travels.

Shuffling that same ball to a guard? No problem.
My question is this, ChrisR, why is Josh or Kostas out there in the first place? They should have been working high/low and taking a pass in the middle of that zone. Josh always looks so tentative handling the ball out there. Last night, it was a train wreck.
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Defense wasn't the main problem last night. Turnovers and not hitting shots was.

The poster talking about Crutcher shooting floaters instead of going to the rim is right. He shot a couple of really ugly floaters, one of which he stopped his dribble too early and would've had an uncontested layup.

Cunningham getting stuffed down 8 with 2 minutes left surely didn't help. Auburn is a very athletic team, and it seems like they have figured out how to score this year. They will be a mid-level SEC team. We are not good enough to play like this against a mid-level SEC team and win. But it was their fewest points of the season.
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The tentativeness on offense is a recurring problem with AG's offense. He had the same problems at Alabama.

I hope that we are eventually headed to some sort of successful resolution to these problems, I hope that AG has learned from his experiences at Alabama and is not just going to repeat the same approach that he took there, some major adjustments are definitely needed.


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Yes, you usually get rational posters in a thread after a difficult loss. I'm sure they're all making logical, cogent points instead of just spouting off. Thanks for sharing.
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I strongly disagree with AG's decision here. This is exactly the sort of overreaction we see from reactionary fans on this board all the time. "Bench him, he's terrible, kick him off the team!!"

Crutcher might be better in the long run, and he might be better right now. But what AG did last night was to create a self-fulfilling prophesy.

In a game where the team had almost 20 TO's you take the 1 guy who has actually shown a propensity for hanging on to the ball and playing good defense and told him "go get us something to drink water boy, make yourself useful."

JC may not recover from this. Which all you JC haters will enjoy. . . until we get in foul trouble or heaven forbid Crutcher gets injured. Then when we lose 12 games in a row you should all blame AG, not Crosby.
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In Josh's defense, two of those were when he was shuffled the ball near the top of the key in transition by Crosby, which is the point guard's fault for not recognizing personnel. You never shuffle the ball to a post player running north/south at speed near the top of the key in transition. They are not ball handlers and will travel 90% of the time. You can see it happening 3 seconds before it even happens. We had this same issue with Chris Wright getting the ball in that same spot and committing the exact same travels.

Shuffling that same ball to a guard? No problem.
This is exactly the same transition offense they run every single day in practice. They've practiced this a thousand times just since Nov 1.

So Chris, here's my question to you: why is Cunningham running full speed out of control and not expecting this pass? He knows he's there for the ball reversal, JC knows he's there for the ball reversal, everyone in the stands and on the defense knows the ball is going to Cunningham on the reversal. Why doesn't Cunningham know it's coming and get in position, and just jump stop?!

I think the correlation you're drawing is throwing it to a big man in transition on the break, which is different. Cunningham was just receiving a scripted pass as a part of transition offense they run on every possession.
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I strongly disagree with AG's decision here. This is exactly the sort of overreaction we see from reactionary fans on this board all the time. "Bench him, he's terrible, kick him off the team!!"

Crutcher might be better in the long run, and he might be better right now. But what AG did last night was to create a self-fulfilling prophesy.

In a game where the team had almost 20 TO's you take the 1 guy who has actually shown a propensity for hanging on to the ball and playing good defense and told him "go get us something to drink water boy, make yourself useful."

JC may not recover from this. Which all you JC haters will enjoy. . . until we get in foul trouble or heaven forbid Crutcher gets injured. Then when we lose 12 games in a row you should all blame AG, not Crosby.
Yep. The team played very poorly. THE TEAM did. Why single out one guy? He played what? 7 minutes? I saw a lot more than 7 minutes of very poor basketball out there and it wasn't all on the point guard.

Seriously makes me wonder. The guy who had an offseason issue with the coach is being made an example of during the season in favor of coach's only recruit. It could be as simple as AG expects more from his juniors and seniors and Crosby is the one screwing up the most between all of them from game to game. But still makes me wonder.

Something's not right. And it's either the coach using Crosby as a punching bag or something just as likely and that is Crosby's doesn't listen to the coach. To this day I wonder how Crosby can sit 2 years behind one of the best PG's in the program's history and not emulate him in any area of play. Either way, something is very wrong with either Crosby's attitude or the coach's treatment of him. I guess if it is Crosby's fault, Grant is handling it the only way he can with a short bench.
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Not sure what was shown on TV, but I was sitting behind the UD bench down at Charleston, when Grant slammed a chair and cussed Crosby for making a defensive mistake. I did not see that happen in any other situation, or even many words to most players for their multiple errors. There is something very wrong with that relationship. As a fan I sure wanted Crosby back, but I am sure Crosby is thinking that he made a huge mistake coming back.
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I've only been able to watch 3 of the games so far, but it seems like Crosby freelances both offensively and defensively quite a bit and it's frustrating the hell out of CAG.
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Not sure what was shown on TV, but I was sitting behind the UD bench down at Charleston, when Grant slammed a chair and cussed Crosby for making a defensive mistake. I did not see that happen in any other situation, or even many words to most players for their multiple errors. There is something very wrong with that relationship. As a fan I sure wanted Crosby back, but I am sure Crosby is thinking that he made a huge mistake coming back.
It was far more than a defensive mistake. I too was sitting right behind the bench and John literally failed to get back on D after a TO and just stood there and let the opposing player run by him to the hoop.
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Not sure what was shown on TV, but I was sitting behind the UD bench down at Charleston, when Grant slammed a chair and cussed Crosby for making a defensive mistake. I did not see that happen in any other situation, or even many words to most players for their multiple errors. There is something very wrong with that relationship. As a fan I sure wanted Crosby back, but I am sure Crosby is thinking that he made a huge mistake coming back.
Yes, I agree, this sounds odd this early in the season. It sounds like Crosby is being singled out.

I hope this gets resolved. We need Crosby. Love him or hate him, we need Crosby.

Gazoo is right, injuries and foul trouble happen, we need Crosby playing effectively.
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First big down the floor should be the "rim runner"...two wings get to the sidelines and corners...next big...which was Josh should be at the top to start a 4 out 1 in motion. Primary to secondary break. It isn't an issue of where he is, he has to understand what is about to happen if one of the first options isn't there....he gets the ball, screens, or cuts...it's that simple.
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It was far more than a defensive mistake. I too was sitting right behind the bench and John literally failed to get back on D after a TO and just stood there and let the opposing player run by him to the hoop.
I haven’t been able to follow the team as closely this year as I have in years past, but if you’ve stated exactly what happened (giving benefit of the doubt, as I didn’t see this play), then I can see why Grant is frustrated with him. You don’t need to have LeBron-like skills to bust your @$$ and hustle. And if Grant sees a Junior, who played behind one of the top PGs in UD history, making mental errors and giving-up on plays with any regularity, then yes, I can see why Grant is choosing to play & develop the freshman.

Any manager in any field will occasionally be faced with the decision of “Do I go with the person who knows the ‘tricks of the trade’? Or, do I go with the person who’s more like a block of modeling clay, that I can shape and craft as my own creation?” It looks like Grant has decided that Crosby didn’t learn enough of the ‘tricks’ in 2 years of playing behind Scoochie and for Miller to overcome the limitations of his own skill sets and his grasp of the D-I game.
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I haven’t been able to follow the team as closely this year as I have in years past, but if you’ve stated exactly what happened (giving benefit of the doubt, as I didn’t see this play), then I can see why Grant is frustrated with him. You don’t need to have LeBron-like skills to bust your @$$ and hustle. And if Grant sees a Junior, who played behind one of the top PGs in UD history, making mental errors and giving-up on plays with any regularity, then yes, I can see why Grant is choosing to play & develop the freshman.

Any manager in any field will occasionally be faced with the decision of “Do I go with the person who knows the ‘tricks of the trade’? Or, do I go with the person who’s more like a block of modeling clay, that I can shape and craft as my own creation?” It looks like Grant has decided that Crosby didn’t learn enough of the ‘tricks’ in 2 years of playing behind Scoochie and for Miller to overcome the limitations of his own skill sets and his grasp of the D-I game.
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Well put T-Bone. You hit the nail on the head. If Kostas comes around, and Williams does not, you could see something similar there.
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Any manager in any field will occasionally be faced with the decision of “Do I go with the person who knows the ‘tricks of the trade’? Or, do I go with the person who’s more like a block of modeling clay, that I can shape and craft as my own creation?” It looks like Grant has decided that Crosby didn’t learn enough of the ‘tricks’ in 2 years of playing behind Scoochie and for Miller to overcome the limitations of his own skill sets and his grasp of the D-I game.
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If Grant feels like he needs to go with Crutcher, fine. But here's the problem: because AG is locked in for the whole season, then what this hypothetical manager is effectively doing is taking his small, fully utilized team and sidelining one member. So you've got 7 people working 60 hours per week, and right in the middle of the annual crunch time you're going to fire someone because they're not as effective as you'd like them to be so everyone else has to now work 70 hours per week.

Typically you're going to wait until the high season is done and then bring someone else in during a lull in activity (offseason), not fire them and risk someone else on the team getting the flu or quitting making you really screwed.

So you keep the person on, you adjust their responsibilities, keep them engaged and working, and fire them in the offseason. AG is seriously risking losing JC and having him quit immediately.

Unless, of course, JC is a headcase and bringing the whole team down which we don't know, in which case you have to fire him immediately.
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For not knowing you certainly appear to lean in Crosby's favor, by the content of your recent posts. One thing I have no doubt, absolutely none, is that AG is a good judge of character. Because character is his own strongest asset. I've wondered what I was missing and the Ah Hah moment came after reading TA111's post. Just my assumption of course.
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For not knowing you certainly appear to lean in Crosby's favor, by the content of your recent posts. One thing I have no doubt, absolutely none, is that AG is a good judge of character. Because character is his own strongest asset. I've wondered what I was missing and the Ah Hah moment came after reading TA111's post. Just my assumption of course.
If I have the right play, it wasn't just the defensive lapse. I think Crosby took a took quick 3 on the offensive end and then other team's player rebounded the ball and took it straight to the hoop. I did not know if it was Crosby's man or not but it was right after that that the timeout was called.

I am definitely in the camp of I am not there and don't know the dynamics but I can't believe it is a good situation.
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Crosby is not a PG so he can't lead them where they would like to go. Not his fault, it is what it is. Crosby's real problem is that he is most not a scoring threat so he doesn't get time at the 2 guard.
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“I feel like it’s worked out perfect with Anthony Grant coming in,” Crosby, who is quite likable, told me at the time. “Right now I think I’m with a team and a coach and a coaching staff that believes in me. And that makes the sky the limit. I really think I haven’t scratched the surface yet and that the best is yet to come. “

That's the problem, really. I just can't get over how insulting it is to take a guy who -- evidently -- practiced hard enough all week to start, was productive enough all week to start, healthy enough to start, and then because of the following sequence telling him to sit the F* down:

Kostas foul
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Timeout @ 15:07

How much of that could possibly be Crosby's fault to the degree that you would tell him "your hard work in practice impressed me enough to make you the starter, but I'm going to throw all that out and sit you for the rest of the game."

Something is seriously wrong here.
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We don't know he's working hard in practice. If he is (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) he may not be efficient. What we do know is that he started the game and subsequently got benched. Those don't add up, so something had to tick Grant off enough to sit him. And we know he's said the right things according to Archdeacon. Action vs words. We could've used some efficient play from the PG position last night, but if he's a detriment to the upward progress of the team.....then..idk..

It just occurred to me that his starting may've been an ultimatum..

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Crosby is not a PG so he can't lead them where they would like to go. Not his fault, it is what it is. Crosby's real problem is that he is most not a scoring threat so he doesn't get time at the 2 guard.
Exactly. he doesn't have the pg mentality as it relates to decision making. I always thought he'd be a better 2 guard. you see a great difference between Crutcher and John as it relates to PG skills.
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The glass is half full. Crutcher looks every bit as good, part way through his first year, as any point guard we have had, save J Davis. Crosby and Grant will most likely work out their problems, and if not, next man up. I think that Jordan Davis could develop into a point guard if need be.

I have supported Crosby when most did not, and still do, but Grant is the coach. You support your boss, your coach and your president, or you hit the road.
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The glass is half full. Crutcher looks every bit as good, part way through his first year, as any point guard we have had, save J Davis. Crosby and Grant will most likely work out their problems, and if not, next man up. I think that Jordan Davis could develop into a point guard if need be.

I have supported Crosby when most did not, and still do, but Grant is the coach. You support your boss, your coach and your president, or you hit the road.
I think our biggest fear after last season ended was that Crosby was the only one who had a handle to get the ball up court. We weren't sure about the freshman who at that point in time was McKinley Wright. We now have 4 guards that with any combination of two of them can handle the ball. I think you're right about Jordan Davis and while nobody's talking about it, Baby D played the backup PG role in the past and seems to me has improved in that area also. He's got a much stronger handle than previously.

Once you get the ball up court, you need a quarter back and if Crosby can't do that better than the other 3, he's going to be needed less and less.

John Crosby has always been a mystery. There's no doubt he's got the athletics and skills to be a pretty good basketball player, but I keep going back to how he could be backup to Scoochie for two seasons and not have the motivation to work extremely hard and get to be where I'm sure he was projected when Archie Miller signed him. I mean it had to be plain as the nose on his face that much improvement was needed for him to make up even partially for the loss of Scooch, why hasn't it happened? I honestly believe he potentially possesses the same skills as Kevin Dillard and if he can polish those skills, would bring a lot to the table.

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I honestly believe he potentially possesses the same skills as Kevin Dillard and if he can polish those skills, would bring a lot to the table.
He has the skills. He needs to put it together for 25 plus minutes a game, every game. That is what we haven't seen.
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He has the skills. He needs to put it together for 25 plus minutes a game, every game. That is what we haven't seen.
Well to be honest, I haven't seen him perform like Dillard did for even 5 minutes of a game(and probably less). That's what's so dang frustrating. You can see he has the ability, saying he's not coming close to performing to those abilities is the all-time understatement.
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I strongly disagree with AG's decision here. This is exactly the sort of overreaction we see from reactionary fans on this board all the time. "Bench him, he's terrible, kick him off the team!!"

Crutcher might be better in the long run, and he might be better right now. But what AG did last night was to create a self-fulfilling prophesy.

In a game where the team had almost 20 TO's you take the 1 guy who has actually shown a propensity for hanging on to the ball and playing good defense and told him "go get us something to drink water boy, make yourself useful."

JC may not recover from this. Which all you JC haters will enjoy. . . until we get in foul trouble or heaven forbid Crutcher gets injured. Then when we lose 12 games in a row you should all blame AG, not Crosby.
Did we watch the same game? Crutcher had a stat line of 15pts, 6rebs, 2assts and 1 TO in 34minutes of playing. If Crosby put this line up it would be his best game of his career, and this was Crutchers 6th game. Should we have played Crosby more so his feelings wouldn't get hurt?

This was the second game in a row we got off to an atrocious start with Crosby at point. Down 11-2 with Crosby in. Switch to Jalen and we are up 15-11. Crosby subs back in at 10:42 when its 15-11 and goes out at 8:46 when we are down 17-20. You said you want good defense and someone who can hold onto the ball? Let's do that math real quick...Crosby finished the game at a plus/minus of -16 and Crutcher finished at -4. Crosby played 8min and Jalen 34. Each 1TO.

I am not a Crosby hater, and I don't think Crutcher is the second coming of Christ either. I do however think Crutcher is very good and will continue to get better, and he gives us the best chance to win. He's a freshman who will make mistakes. But from what I've seen, he makes less mistakes than the junior who has been around for a couple years. I would've liked to see Crosby come back in the 2nd half even if it was just 3minutes, because at times Jalen looked exhausted. But 1TO and -4 when your team has 19TO and loses by 13 isn't bad in my book, so maybe he's better conditioned than we think.

I am a fan and proud alumni who wants to win games. I don't think AG is on a self fulfilling prophecy -- I think he too is a proud fan and alumni that wants to win games. Difference is, he is getting paid to do it. Crutcher is our best bet and I think he starts Sunday.

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Crosby sometimes tries to hard but it is what it is. The effort was there the results were not. We had a dysfunctional offense that was totally out of sync.

Kosta looked like a freshman and was pushed around. Way too many touch fouls were called, this is supposed to be a men's basketball game. I don't know their conference affiliation but those ref's would never be invited to call a big ten game.
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I think we all want whoever plays to do well. The bottom line is we have seen 2+ years of below average play by John at the point with poor decision making. it's time to see what the freshman can do. So far it looks promising.
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Well to be honest, I haven't seen him perform like Dillard did for even 5 minutes of a game(and probably less). That's what's so dang frustrating. You can see he has the ability, saying he's not coming close to performing to those abilities is the all-time understatement.
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2012-2013: 33.0 minutes/ 15.3 points per game/ 4.5 assists, 3.2 turnovers

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Did we watch the same game? Crutcher had a stat line of 15pts, 6rebs, 2assts and 1 TO in 34minutes of playing. If Crosby put this line up it would be his best game of his career, and this was Crutchers 6th game. Should we have played Crosby more so his feelings wouldn't get hurt?

This was the second game in a row we got off to an atrocious start with Crosby at point. Down 11-2 with Crosby in. Switch to Jalen and we are up 15-11. Crosby subs back in at 10:42 when its 15-11 and goes out at 8:46 when we are down 17-20. You said you want good defense and someone who can hold onto the ball? Let's do that math real quick...Crosby finished the game at a plus/minus of -16 and Crutcher finished at -4. Crosby played 8min and Jalen 34. Each 1TO.

I am not a Crosby hater, and I don't think Crutcher is the second coming of Christ either. I do however think Crutcher is very good and will continue to get better, and he gives us the best chance to win. He's a freshman who will make mistakes. But from what I've seen, he makes less mistakes than the junior who has been around for a couple years. I would've liked to see Crosby come back in the 2nd half even if it was just 3minutes, because at times Jalen looked exhausted. But 1TO and -4 when your team has 19TO and loses by 13 isn't bad in my book, so maybe he's better conditioned than we think.

I am a fan and proud alumni who wants to win games. I don't think AG is on a self fulfilling prophecy -- I think he too is a proud fan and alumni that wants to win games. Difference is, he is getting paid to do it. Crutcher is our best bet and I think he starts Sunday.
That's exactly why I listed the play by play of the first few minutes of the game. The shortcomings of the plus / minus are shown there. Cunningham had 2 really bad TO's, Kostas had 2 fouls and a TO (and therefore only played 30 seconds with JC), Svoboda launching bricks, etc. None of that was Crosby's fault. If Cunningham had his head on straight, Kostas didn't spend 30 seconds flailing out of control, and Svoboda could hit a shot, we're winning at the first TO. And JC would not have had to do anything different. But as it is, he deserves to go from starter to water boy?! Makes no sense.

Did they look bad with JC in there? Sure. Is Crutcher better than JC right now? I won't argue the point.

But you sound exactly like the reactionary fans who wanted to sit SS during his freshman season. Or Cooke during a bad stretch. Like it or not, JC is on the team. You can either destroy his confidence and cast him into the waste bin, or you can continue to help him grow. Embarrassing him like this does not help him grow. No good manager I've ever seen publicly embarrasses people. That's what this was.
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Crosby sometimes tries to hard but it is what it is. The effort was there the results were not. We had a dysfunctional offense that was totally out of sync.

Kosta looked like a freshman and was pushed around. Way too many touch fouls were called, this is supposed to be a men's basketball game. I don't know their conference affiliation but those ref's would never be invited to call a big ten game.
Not here to stick up for the officials, but all three of those guys have worked Final Four games.
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In Josh's defense, two of those were when he was shuffled the ball near the top of the key in transition by Crosby, which is the point guard's fault for not recognizing personnel. You never shuffle the ball to a post player running north/south at speed near the top of the key in transition. They are not ball handlers and will travel 90% of the time. You can see it happening 3 seconds before it even happens. We had this same issue with Chris Wright getting the ball in that same spot and committing the exact same travels.

Shuffling that same ball to a guard? No problem.
Then why is Josh or other bigs in that position. It's obviously where AG has them in his transition game. He got the ball in the same spot at least two other times later in the game. If we don't want him getting the ball in that position then he shouldn't be there.
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First let me say that I am very glad to have both of these guards on our team. We definitely need them both. Jalen shows a lot of poise for a freshman but i think most on this board will be patient with any mistkes he makes because obviously he’s just getting started with his career. He is off to a very good start- i am really happy for him.

John is very talented and when he plays within himself- he looks very good. I think he may be trying to do too much when he feels the need to step up and sometimes this leads to the bad plays. Keep in mind- Scooch got the majority of PT the first 2 years of Johns career- so I don’t think he got he same opportunities of development normally given. My personal feeling is that if John tries less to take it all on his shoulders and trust his teammates- just makes solid plays- all of his numbers will improve. I think he’s putting a lot of pressure on himself.

There are a lot of new faces playing with really only 2 solidily experienced upperclassmen. I am not expecting a sweet 16 run from this team but i do believe by end of season - you will be seeing a completely different functioning team.
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Lots of focus on the point guards, but that is the least of our problems. Besides DD, we have no excellent players. Cunningham has given us four good games and two stinkers, so there is promise there. The rest of the guys have had backup type performances. Only two good players is our problem, and will give us a .500 record.
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I think AG is forgetting this year largely and developing Crutcher for the next 3 years.
This. I think it is hard for fans to accept "playing for the future," so a coach or program would never admit it, but it is clearly AG's strategy.

Next year he'll have Crutch/J. Davis/Kostas/Matej as sophomores. Cunningham, X, Crosby as seniors and a junior Ryan Mikesell/Trey Landers. Possibly a Junior Sam Miller (or new recruit/grad transfer/transfer) and for sure an absolute stud in Cohill. Plus you get Toppin eligible who IMO is more ready to play right away than Pierce.

Next year is the year you make a run. This year you instill the system and try to develop younger players as much as possible.
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I think it could be etched in granite that PG is our biggest problem. By miles over the 2nd biggest weakness. I think we hashed that out months ago because it is so glaring. Crutcher's contribution wasn't known then but our lack of depth primarily, and JC has never gotten the job done on any sort of consistent basis.
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Kevin Dillard stats (for perspective)

2011-2012: 32.7 minutes/ 13.3 points per game/ 6 assists, 2.8 turnovers

2012-2013: 33.0 minutes/ 15.3 points per game/ 4.5 assists, 3.2 turnovers

https://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...d-player-stats
I guess when I refer to Dillard in a positive way I should categorize that as the Junior Dillard as opposed to the senior Dillard. The junior Dillard gave us some of the greatest PG play we've seen. The senior Dillard tried to become Pete Maravich and failed miserably at it.
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That's exactly why I listed the play by play of the first few minutes of the game. The shortcomings of the plus / minus are shown there. Cunningham had 2 really bad TO's, Kostas had 2 fouls and a TO (and therefore only played 30 seconds with JC), Svoboda launching bricks, etc. None of that was Crosby's fault. If Cunningham had his head on straight, Kostas didn't spend 30 seconds flailing out of control, and Svoboda could hit a shot, we're winning at the first TO. And JC would not have had to do anything different. But as it is, he deserves to go from starter to water boy?! Makes no sense.

Did they look bad with JC in there? Sure. Is Crutcher better than JC right now? I won't argue the point.

But you sound exactly like the reactionary fans who wanted to sit SS during his freshman season. Or Cooke during a bad stretch. Like it or not, JC is on the team. You can either destroy his confidence and cast him into the waste bin, or you can continue to help him grow. Embarrassing him like this does not help him grow. No good manager I've ever seen publicly embarrasses people. That's what this was.
First, I saw your post listing the possessions in first 5m. Short of me going back to rewatch film and break it down, numbers never lie. Crosby was minus 9 in first 5 minutes. It may not be JC fault Svoboda missed a couple of 3's, but maybe JC missed recognizing the pass in the paint and kicks it to Svoboda with 3left on the shot clock to put him in a tough spot? So is that Svoboda fault for missing a shot, or JC for failing to execute the offense? You can't say JC is innocent by simply listing the outcomes of possessions -- that doesn't tell the whole story. Did someone pick up a foul bc JC didn't help on D? Absolutely his teammates could help him more, but from what I've seen, most of those bad possessions have more to do with JC inability to execute at the PG position.

Second, I don't think he deserves to go from starter to water boy. I don't really care who starts. If Crosby starts and we go down 11-2, put Crutch in. If Crutch starts and we go down 11-2, put Crosby in. Just play the best player. This isn't an attack on Crosby -- it's about winning basketball games. But when Crosby starts these last 2 games and we get down big, I think we shake it up Sunday and start Crutch. If he starts slow and Crosby ends up playing 34minutes, so be it. I just want to win.

Finally, not worth my time engaging in a hypothetical debate abt SS playing time 4 years ago. Let's stick to Crutcher, Crosby and facts. My goal is not to embarrass anyone. Really, the only time I offered my opinion was to say Crutcher should start. I never said Crosby is awful, an embarrassment, etc. -- far from it. I simply offered the facts: last 2 games we had terrible starts to the game with him at point. Last game he was -16 and Crutcher -4. Both 1TO. If you are interpreting those facts as an attack on Crosby, you're wrong. If you think I'm a Crosby hater, you're wrong. I actually think he should've gotten more PT at end of game against Hofstra FWIW -- maybe we win that game if he does. But when these men are receiving $50k a year to throw an orange ball through a hoop, you need to be open to some criticism; especially when the only criticism I am offering is centered around factual numbers.

My final thought...If Crutcher was the Junior, and Crosby was the freshman...what would the conversation be? I think people would be losing their minds Crosby is starting. People feel Crosby should be entitled to play because he is a junior. I'm sorry, but no. Play the best player. If some 5* PG commits to UD this summer and he gives us the best chance to win, play him day 1. Too much on the line to worry about people's feelings.

EDIT: You said no good manager publically embarrasses people. Did you ever see the manager (coach) of our team the last few years? Archie would verbally undress guys up and down the court! He didn't give a flying F, he would yell and 'embarrass' those guys every night. And what came of it? 4 straight NCAA births and he's now coaching an elite program.

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A friend of mine in the third row liked having Archie out there. He heard everything. He says you rarely hear what Anthony Grant has to say.

He said Archie swore at lot as well.
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A friend of mine in the third row liked having Archie out there. He heard everything. He says you rarely hear what Anthony Grant has to say.

He said Archie swore at lot as well.
Different people are motivated different ways. I think we are seeing a guy like DD be more responsive to AG direct, more poised approach versus Archies eccentric, yelling approach. No wrong way to do it, but it is interesting to see it unfold.
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First, I saw your post listing the possessions in first 5m. Short of me going back to rewatch film and break it down, numbers never lie. Crosby was minus 9 in first 5 minutes. It may not be JC fault Svoboda missed a couple of 3's, but maybe JC missed recognizing the pass in the paint and kicks it to Svoboda with 3left on the shot clock to put him in a tough spot? So is that Svoboda fault for missing a shot, or JC for failing to execute the offense? You can't say JC is innocent by simply listing the outcomes of possessions -- that doesn't tell the whole story. Did someone pick up a foul bc JC didn't help on D? Absolutely his teammates could help him more, but from what I've seen, most of those bad possessions have more to do with JC inability to execute at the PG position.

Second, I don't think he deserves to go from starter to water boy. I don't really care who starts. If Crosby starts and we go down 11-2, put Crutch in. If Crutch starts and we go down 11-2, put Crosby in. Just play the best player. This isn't an attack on Crosby -- it's about winning basketball games. But when Crosby starts these last 2 games and we get down big, I think we shake it up Sunday and start Crutch. If he starts slow and Crosby ends up playing 34minutes, so be it. I just want to win.

Finally, not worth my time engaging in a hypothetical debate abt SS playing time 4 years ago. Let's stick to Crutcher, Crosby and facts. My goal is not to embarrass anyone. Really, the only time I offered my opinion was to say Crutcher should start. I never said Crosby is awful, an embarrassment, etc. -- far from it. I simply offered the facts: last 2 games we had terrible starts to the game with him at point. Last game he was -16 and Crutcher -4. Both 1TO. If you are interpreting those facts as an attack on Crosby, you're wrong. If you think I'm a Crosby hater, you're wrong. I actually think he should've gotten more PT at end of game against Hofstra FWIW -- maybe we win that game if he does. But when these men are receiving $50k a year to throw an orange ball through a hoop, you need to be open to some criticism; especially when the only criticism I am offering is centered around factual numbers.

My final thought...If Crutcher was the Junior, and Crosby was the freshman...what would the conversation be? I think people would be losing their minds Crosby is starting. People feel Crosby should be entitled to play because he is a junior. I'm sorry, but no. Play the best player. If some 5* PG commits to UD this summer and he gives us the best chance to win, play him day 1. Too much on the line to worry about people's feelings.

EDIT: You said no good manager publically embarrasses people. Did you ever see the manager (coach) of our team the last few years? Archie would verbally undress guys up and down the court! He didn't give a flying F, he would yell and 'embarrass' those guys every night. And what came of it? 4 straight NCAA births and he's now coaching an elite program.
Generally we're in agreement. No issues. Just a couple comments:

-Maybe JC didn't give it to Svoboda in the right position to score. . . but maybe he did. You want to stick to facts but then immediately jump to hypotheticals of your own. The fact is: yes we stunk in the first 5 minutes. The other fact is: JC wasn't the one stinking. Yes, time to make some subs, totally agree. My only issue (which I think we agree upon) is that you don't just bench him for the entire game.

-Athletes expect to get yelled at. Coaches scream their heads off at players, in practice and in games. That's not embarrassing to them. Taking them from starter to water boy is embarrassing them.

I had a coach once who said "if I've stopped screaming at you, I forgot about you." I think players would rather be screamed at than forgotten.
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A friend of mine in the third row liked having Archie out there. He heard everything. He says you rarely hear what Anthony Grant has to say.

He said Archie swore at lot as well.
I don't know if it's just me, but I'm a bit bothered by AG's overly calm demeanor. I can't tell if I like it or not. I can't stand the hyperactivity from BG, but it almost seems like AG is not entirely sure what to say / do so he just stands there. I hope that's not the case and the players pick up on the calmness.
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A friend of mine in the third row liked having Archie out there. He heard everything. He says you rarely hear what Anthony Grant has to say.

He said Archie swore at lot as well.
I attended one of Donoher's practices back when the arena was about to open and he was a mad man during those. Almost Bobby Knight in your face. Then on game day you got this professional, quiet, calm demeanor. I'm guessing that's the way Grant approaches things, take care of business in practice, not during the games. Well, with everybody except Crosby apparently.
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First let me say that I am very glad to have both of these guards on our team. We definitely need them both. Jalen shows a lot of poise for a freshman but i think most on this board will be patient with any mistkes he makes because obviously he’s just getting started with his career. He is off to a very good start- i am really happy for him.

John is very talented and when he plays within himself- he looks very good. I think he may be trying to do too much when he feels the need to step up and sometimes this leads to the bad plays. Keep in mind- Scooch got the majority of PT the first 2 years of Johns career- so I don’t think he got he same opportunities of development normally given. My personal feeling is that if John tries less to take it all on his shoulders and trust his teammates- just makes solid plays- all of his numbers will improve. I think he’s putting a lot of pressure on himself.

There are a lot of new faces playing with really only 2 solidily experienced upperclassmen. I am not expecting a sweet 16 run from this team but i do believe by end of season - you will be seeing a completely different functioning team.
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Crutcher almost had 2 more turnovers, one on that VERY FUGLY out of bounds in bounds pass, and another during action i can think of. He got a respectable 15 and 5 boards in a SLOPPY Game by all. He's very sloppy with the ball and will get bunches of TO's if that continues.

That said, he's somewhat better than Crosby as he brings different energy and long arms into the mix. Frankly, i think DD will get some time at PG until one or both of these guys can get things more respectable.

Shooting a 3 up by Crutcher within 5 seconds is not what we need. We need ball movement to the foul line, as many have mentioned. Someone needs to be that Pierre type of player in the middle, who can swing the ball from middle (Svoboda? Kostas? Landers? Josh?) and get the ball moving through the zone.
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Lots of focus on the point guards, but that is the least of our problems. Besides DD, we have no excellent players. Cunningham has given us four good games and two stinkers, so there is promise there. The rest of the guys have had backup type performances. Only two good players is our problem, and will give us a .500 record.
Sorry but Auburn was aggressive , hoppy, rebounding like no tomorrow. So JC had a tough go, since he effed up the beginning of the game. Plenty of good and great games in Josh C coming.

WE need PG play and we need consistent wing play. No X and no decent Svoboda and outside shooters = we are ****ed. (Stuffed!)
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I don't know if it's just me, but I'm a bit bothered by AG's overly calm demeanor. I can't tell if I like it or not. I can't stand the hyperactivity from BG, but it almost seems like AG is not entirely sure what to say / do so he just stands there. I hope that's not the case and the players pick up on the calmness.
I always felt confident in AM's style of coaching on game day. However, on more than one occasion I can remember him barking out directions to Scoochie while he was standing on the free throw line, after ref had already tossed him the ball. Scoochie's head would be turned at a 90 degree angle looking at the the coach and then he turn toward the basket and promptly brick the FT. That drove me crazy because I just can't imagine anything so urgent that it's worth throwing away a point for.
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I had a coach once who said "if I've stopped screaming at you, I forgot about you." I think players would rather be screamed at than forgotten.
I heard that about Bobby Knight: you should not be worried if he was screaming at you, you should be worried when he STOPS screaming at you, because at that point, he may have given up on you and moved on from you.
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This. I think it is hard for fans to accept "playing for the future," so a coach or program would never admit it, but it is clearly AG's strategy.

Next year he'll have Crutch/J. Davis/Kostas/Matej as sophomores. Cunningham, X, Crosby as seniors and a junior Ryan Mikesell/Trey Landers. Possibly a Junior Sam Miller (or new recruit/grad transfer/transfer) and for sure an absolute stud in Cohill. Plus you get Toppin eligible who IMO is more ready to play right away than Pierce.

Next year is the year you make a run. This year you instill the system and try to develop younger players as much as possible.
If playing for the next game is the future, I agree. You play the team that gives you the best chance to be successful. Anthony is doing that. Otherwise he wouldn't play DD, his only senior,37 minutes per game.
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Generally we're in agreement. No issues. Just a couple comments:

-Maybe JC didn't give it to Svoboda in the right position to score. . . but maybe he did. You want to stick to facts but then immediately jump to hypotheticals of your own. The fact is: yes we stunk in the first 5 minutes. The other fact is: JC wasn't the one stinking. Yes, time to make some subs, totally agree. My only issue (which I think we agree upon) is that you don't just bench him for the entire game.

-Athletes expect to get yelled at. Coaches scream their heads off at players, in practice and in games. That's not embarrassing to them. Taking them from starter to water boy is embarrassing them.

I had a coach once who said "if I've stopped screaming at you, I forgot about you." I think players would rather be screamed at than forgotten.
Yes. I think Crosby should have saw the floor in the second half.

The only comment where I guess we will agree to disagree is why we should worry about AG 'embarrassing' Crosby. I don't look at the benching as AG intentionally embarrassing Crosby, I think it simply has to do with him not meeting the bar that has been set. And with my previous posts where I dove into the numbers, my goal is not to embarrass him either. I just want to shed some light on why I think AG likely made his decision to bench him.

The best analogy I can give is in my day to day life, and I think it's a good one. I am in sales. At the end of each month, a stacked ranking report is sent to our team letting everyone know how they finished relative to their peers. In my industry, how my peers in Cleveland are doing has no correlation on me in Dayton; but regardless, that is who I am being judged against, so it is what it is. That's how the bar is set. Whether I am at the top, in the middle, or at the bottom, these are the numbers and these are what we are judged by. There are no bonus points given for tenure, work ethic, or if they are afraid someones feelings may be hurt if they are at the bottom for too long -- the numbers are the numbers and we go off of that. If I have a bad month and am at the bottom, yes I can feel embarrassed, but who else do I have to blame but my self? Sure there are times when I have a bad month due to extenuating circumstances, and I may get a free pass from my manager, but what happens if this becomes a habitual thing? If I am in the top for 10 straight months, then one month I am in the bottom before going back to the top, did I get stupid overnight or is that one bad month the outlier? Same from the other side of the coin: If someone is routinely in the bottom but has one good month before going back to the bottom, what does that trend show?

My point being, Crosby is going to be judged on how he plays versus Crutcher whether that's fair or not. That's how the bar is set. There will be things out of Crosby's control that will negatively impact how we view his play (like a Svoboda missed 3). Is it fair to single out one 5minute stretch and make a analysis off that? No. But when we take a step back and look at the big picture, is that one 5minute stretch the outlier or is it the norm? Has Crosby been playing in the top tier with moments of bad, or has he been playing in the bottom tier with moments of good? I think AG feels its the latter. It's nothing personal, but that's where the bar is set and if he can't reach it who else does he have to blame but himself?

This analysis isn't me attempting to embarrass him or be mean, rather it's my interpretation of the 'stacked rankings' of UD's PG play and where we are today. We are also seeing how Crosby reacts to these stacked rankings. Does this motivate him to get better, or does he become content with mediocrity? I sure as hell hope this motivates him.

I can tell you when my name is at the bottom I work my ass off to get back to the top because no one wants to be on the bottom. But what I can also tell you is that over my many years with my company, there have been lot's of people to come and go who routinely saw their name at the bottom. And instead of working harder to get better, they would finger point and accept the struggles and failures like a disease, never once looking in the mirror to better themselves. That's not something you can teach or coach. You either have it or you don't.
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I look at the Crosby/Crutcher situation as a latter day UD hoops version of the situation the Bengals had back in 2003 with Jon Kitna and Carson Palmer. One player is a veteran who’s never going to be an all-star, but who has shown he can do a decent job when he plays within his limitations and “sticks to the script”. The other is new to the team, but seems to have a much higher ceiling than the veteran. The difference is, Kitna seemed to stick to the script and play within his limitations more often than Crosby has appeared to do, at this point in his UD career.

I was really proud of Crosby for the way he played against Ball State. Hopefully, he can rediscover “good John” soon.
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Crosby is not a pg for this level. Never has been, probably never will be. It is readily apparent against the good teams. He has no court vision and can not create for others, a primary role for his position. He can't break down his man, and is not a reliable shooter from outside. Hard to believe that after all the empirical evidence of his lackluster performance for almost 2.5 years that people are still clamoring for him to play. Comparing him to Dillard is like Ball comparing himself to Jordan.
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Crosby is not a pg for this level. Never has been, probably never will be. It is readily apparent against the good teams. He has no court vision and can not create for others, a primary role for his position. He can't break down his man, and is not a reliable shooter from outside. Hard to believe that after all the empirical evidence of his lackluster performance for almost 2.5 years that people are still clamoring for him to play. Comparing him to Dillard is like Ball comparing himself to Jordan.
Thank you !! I can't believe people can't see this. It seems that some of the same posters who were expecting the NCAA this year are also more than willing to campaign for a guy who can't play the most important position to get them there.

To me the no instincts limitation is the biggest cause of all his other short comings. He does have a nice personality though.
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I saw potential in Crosby. He lead the team in the George Mason game last year, and played solid the first couple games this season. But the last couple games he regressed, maybe farther than he had been.
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The Dillard infatuation is baffling to me. He played below his skill level IMHO. He was a clubhouse cancer. Dillard and Benson made Cheech and Chong look like recreational marijuana users. Most importantly, if i recall correctly he was the "star" of the team that finished 12th in the A-10 his senior year. Not to mention, again, if i recall correctly we backed in a$$ backwards with a ridiculous Fordham road win and got smoked by Butler in the 5-12 game.
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The Dillard infatuation is baffling to me. He played below his skill level IMHO. He was a clubhouse cancer. Dillard and Benson made Cheech and Chong look like recreational marijuana users. Most importantly, if i recall correctly he was the "star" of the team that finished 12th in the A-10 his senior year. Not to mention, again, if i recall correctly we backed in a$$ backwards with a ridiculous Fordham road win and got smoked by Butler in the 5-12 game.
I refer to Dillard's junior season and the skills Dillard possessed in which I'd love to see Crosby have. Great ball handler, quick, good 3 point shooter, can drive and score at will at end of game, great FT shooter and great passer.

You can argue Dillard's attitude/personality but that's not what I'm asking of Crosby. But you can't deny Dillard's skills and that he had a wonderful junior season.
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But you can't deny Dillard's skills and that he had a wonderful junior season.
I most certainly can. And i just did. Agree to disagree
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