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We absolutely are very young and inexperienced!!!!!!

If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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We are down 2 or 3 starters (depending on if Sam Miller would have started) and we are one of the youngest teams in the country learning a totally new system. Relax! There is talent on this team and we will be good again next year.
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I'm betting on mediocre next year, after being atrocious this year. And, we are...
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Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.

The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.

Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.

This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.

Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
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Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.

The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.

Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.

This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.

Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
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Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.

The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.

Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.

This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.

Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
This team fights! They didn't give up in any of their loses and they haven't given up so far tonight. For that alone, I won't give up on them this year.
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Take a hike. There was no reason to take a timeout. Darrell made a bad play but you should be embarrassed for your original post. These guys came back on the road and played their azzes off.
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Lighten up Francis. Team showed a lot of heart and improvement on D.
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Miss st stinks too, if they were any good they would have beat us by 30, we scored 59 points, that will win you 2 games a year, all u people do is defend us when we're bad and all of AG mistakes
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Take a hike. There was no reason to take a timeout. Darrell made a bad play but you should be embarrassed for your original post.
I also think AG should have taken a timeout or at least called a play. He basically cleared everyone out for Darrell which I've never seen called for DD.
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We had a great opportunity to win, partly because we were taken lightly, it seemed to me. But mainly because we kept fighting and playing defense. Honestly, I don't think we'll have a better opportunity this season to knock off a good opponent.
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BTW udscott (and anyone else who doesn't realize it) there is a game thread for every game so you can post your in game reactions instead of starting a new thread on the main board. I think your post would have fit in better there.

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Those are two young teams that played like it. Great second half. People forget we have freshmen, a junior who has played eleven games hurt last year, a soph who is really in his first year, a new coach and a stud senior. This is what we will get this year, get used to it.
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You won't see it but this loss will help....next season.
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How many games in the A10 do you think we will win playing like that? Tale of two halves, thankfully for us. 24 turnovers? 10 turnovers in our good half. wow.

I do hope not too many viewers turned the game off at halftime. I know I did not, and will not.
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This team lacks senior leadership. No one takes charge out there. DD is unable to handle that load. Too many times in crucial situations he just puts his head down and tries to do it himself. The result? Turnovers and lost opportunities. And our captain Cunningham seems to be the quietest one on the floor. Need a vocal and active leader out there to bring the team together. Just looks like a bunch of individuals out there. And I know its not his style but Id give anything to see AG chew someone out and hold them responsible for their play (or lack there of). Gotta send these kids a message sooner rather than later.
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If you question the amount of grit and effort by these guys the second half this game...then screw you.

I surely don't agree with not calling a timeout for the last possession...but if you don't see the potential by the way these guys played D and came back...then there is no hope for your basketball knowledge...none whatsoever.
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I told you to support the team. They Are not going to ANY tourney.
It will be a tough season. Period.Let AG get his recruits in.
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I also think AG should have taken a timeout or at least called a play. He basically cleared everyone out for Darrell which I've never seen called for DD.
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I'm betting on mediocre next year, after being atrocious this year. And, we are...
I believe that's a little harsh. Experience at PG is a known weakness and has been since last graduation. AG still needs to recruit a good one to back up Crutcher for next season.
I'm in favor of selling out for the benefit of gaining experience for next season. I think we're seeing that by Crutcher continuing to start. I expected Svoboda to to be more seasoned with his experience on the Czech team. That hasn't been the case. We need him to come around. He's promising. He's got a better handle than I expected but I think he gets in too much of a hurry in the lane sometimes. He's not shot the ball well at all but I expect him to clean that up.

When XW comes back we need him to play within his skill set and stop trying to be a 3-point shooter. That aspect should complement his game not be the centerpiece of his game. I want him to take the ball inside and use his speed in transition. But instead of camping outside I want to see him drive that baseline. He could draw some attention and take some pressure off Kostas, and Cunningham in particular.

I like Crutcher a lot. I think he could be as talented as Dillard was, without the baggage. And I enjoy watching Trey Landers. He doesn't have the inside game that Charles Little had but he's a similar type player. I can't think of another player that he compares better with.

These young players are good. I fully expect a better-than-mediocre season next year. I'm just going to watch this season with the mindset of a stock invester and save the expectation for instant returns.
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The glass is really half full.

I don't think we sink, but we are hard to watch at times. We are just so 'raw'. When we went down by 17, I seriously considered calling it a night. Then it went to 21, but I stayed to the end. I'm glad I did. I saw a lot of good things in the 2nd half. Steps forward by individuals and as a team.

If for no other reason, you should watch DD. What an amazing year this man is having on so many levels. The statistical improvement in his game has to be historic. But the fact he is doing it with so little playing experience with him on the floor makes it even more amazing.

Cruther is good right now and he's getting better every game in a lot of different areas. Has he put it all together yet? No. Will he get there? Yes. How long will it take? From what I've seen in the first 7 games of his college career, I think it's sooner rather than later. I expect him to still make freshmen mistakes, but this guy is going to help this team big time this year.

Josh & X & Kosta - we need X back for A10 play. Him in this mix makes the other two pieces work better. With X In the mix, defenses cant gang up on Josh. With X in the mix, Kosta foul issue is more manageable. Kostas needs to use the next three games at home to improve his defensive decisions and take a couple steps forward to improve his foul management issue. Hopefully X will be back for the A10.

Everyone else - just keep working hard and improve and find a way to contribute. It's a work in progress. It's going to be for awhile. It's not always fun to watch. The first half last night was not fun to watch. But the second half was right up to the end. If we had won with a last second shot, everyone would be saying how the team battled through too many turnovers and too few assists but wiped out 21 points with tough gutsy defense to find a way to win.

That doesn't sink. That's a young team that's still not 100% healthy, starting to figure some things out. I like our next 3 games giving us an opportunity to figure some more things out. I'm looking forward to watching.
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Never understood this. We refers to your team, the team you root for, the team you buy tickets to. Most are alumni, most support the team financially somehow.

It's semantics, but I'm not sure why people have a problem with saying we. There's no confusion to anyone thinking they're on the actual team.
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Never understood this. We refers to your team, the team you root for, the team you buy tickets to. Most are alumni, most support the team financially somehow.

It's semantics, but I'm not sure why people have a problem with saying we. There's no confusion to anyone thinking they're on the actual team.
I think he was suggesting that UDScott isn't one of those things. UDScott seems to only show up after losses and almost never has anything positive to say.
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The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BGs 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BGs 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.

My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? Im guessing, as the season progresses, well see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But therell also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BGs 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BGs 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.

My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? Im guessing, as the season progresses, well see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But therell also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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We're young, inexperienced, and thin on depth after the outgoing coach had a couple recruiting misses that he didn't have to live with as he rode one of the best classes in school history to a bigger job. I said BEFORE the season I see us winning 14-16 games in the regular season. After this game, I still believe that. Next year we'll have more depth, more balance, and a full year in CAG's system.

PG: Jalen Crutcher, John Crosby
G: Jordan Pierce, Dwayne Cohill
G/F: Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda, Ryan Mikesell
F: Josh Cunningham, Kostas Antetekumnpo, Obi Toppin
F: Xeryius Williams, Jordan Pierce

Add to that likely another G based on the guys we've been chasing since signing Cohill and we're likely rolling 10 deep next year, most of them with good experience now. If we look like this NEXT year, then i'll join the doubters. Anyone jumping to conclusions after 7 games is just looking to moan and wail.
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We're young, inexperienced, and thin on depth after the outgoing coach had a couple recruiting misses that he didn't have to live with as he rode one of the best classes in school history to a bigger job. I said BEFORE the season I see us winning 14-16 games in the regular season. After this game, I still believe that. Next year we'll have more depth, more balance, and a full year in CAG's system.

PG: Jalen Crutcher, John Crosby
G: Jordan Pierce, Dwayne Cohill
G/F: Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda, Ryan Mikesell
F: Josh Cunningham, Kostas Antetekumnpo, Obi Toppin
F: Xeryius Williams, Jordan Pierce

Add to that likely another G based on the guys we've been chasing since signing Cohill and we're likely rolling 10 deep next year, most of them with good experience now. If we look like this NEXT year, then i'll join the doubters. Anyone jumping to conclusions after 7 games is just looking to moan and wail.
I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.

We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
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I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
From what I've seen of Svaboda and taking into account that he's an old freshman with experience, I'll take two more years of Ryan Mikesell vs 3 more of Svaboda.
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We Absolutely stink

If you do not like watching this team, quit watching. All of us who follow the team knew it was going to be an up and down year. Take the positive and look for growth. Nice comeback last night. Go UD !!! All you spolied, negative keyboard warriors, go away.
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I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.

We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
Mikesell will be back. Put your bank account on it. He is at every game on the bench and is out on the floor during warmups passing to guys and encouraging them. Met he and Williams out on the streets of Charleston (in the afternoon) with a couple other guys leading them around. He is the non-playing captain, and 100% invested. We have room for Matej and Ryan and all the good players we can get.
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I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
He will be here for his entire career and rightfully so.

Good kid...good family...good ball player.

He has more court smarts than anyone currently on the floor and will be pretty **** productive when 100%. If you think that a local kid is going to beat feet who has his feet set in stone at UD...you are wrong.

I don't get where people think we "don't need" certain player. Svoboda does some things really well and has some nice size for his position. He isn't playing well right now by any means, but I think he will turn into a good player. He has a nice resume that isn't translating to the court right now. It will thought and I hope he is here his entire career.
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The good news this year is that Grant is our coach. Archie left Grant, John Crosby as the point guard after Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit. So late in the cycle Grant comes in and get Jalen at 150 pounds and in short order develops him into our starting point guard. Our man to man D is just not good. Freshman struggle with defense and Sunday nite the change to the match up zone kept us in the game. Archie didn't teach or use zone and we would have been in even deeper foul trouble and got blown out. Anthony will get better players and he is a very solid coach.
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He will be here for his entire career and rightfully so.

Good kid...good family...good ball player.

He has more court smarts than anyone currently on the floor and will be pretty **** productive when 100%. If you think that a local kid is going to beat feet who has his feet set in stone at UD...you are wrong.

I don't get where people think we "don't need" certain player. Svoboda does some things really well and has some nice size for his position. He isn't playing well right now by any means, but I think he will turn into a good player. He has a nice resume that isn't translating to the court right now. It will thought and I hope he is here his entire career.
Mikesell is all of those things. He's also a kid who just had hip impingement surgery on both hips. My concern would be from a life-long perspective, should he come back if he's risking potential long-term injury/debilitation. I honestly don't know the answer to that.
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Mikesell is all of those things. He's also a kid who just had hip impingement surgery on both hips. My concern would be from a life-long perspective, should he come back if he's risking potential long-term injury/debilitation. I honestly don't know the answer to that.
I know a lot of people think Teams (in general) just exploit their athletes, and they don't care about the long term health of the player, but that just isn't true. If there was any serious risk for his long-term health, he would already be on a medical hardship scholarship and his playing days would be over. This is quite frequent in college athletics.
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From what I've seen of Svaboda and taking into account that he's an old freshman with experience, I'll take two more years of Ryan Mikesell vs 3 more of Svaboda.
Why choose when you get them both? SVO-BO-DA, made some really instinctive moves on the court. He has very good court sense. Was open on several cuts--didn't get the pass. And that's taking nothing away from Ryan. Matej is seeing the speed of the college game for the first time. It's lightyears faster than his National team back home. He's got game.

Glad to have them both.

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Matej could turn out to be the best three point shooter on the team after DD graduates. He has a soft relaxed touch. Even his misses are in the cylinder. He has looked better each game on defense and offensive movement.
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The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BGs 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BGs 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.

My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? Im guessing, as the season progresses, well see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But therell also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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How the hell did Grant get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? He had the ball exactly where he wanted it and that was in his leading scorers' hands who can get to the hoop, pull up a J, or launch a 3. You DO NOT call a TO in that situation for a team that had already committed 26 turnovers and no guarantee especially in a half-court set that they get the ball "back in" the hands of the guy who had it anyways...

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He had the ball exactly where he wanted it and that was in his leading scorers' hands who can get to the hoop, pull up a J, or launch a 3.
Each to their own I guess. I get that...when you had last years team. Worst thing that happens is a tie and you go to OT.

This team is different. Three freshman on the court in a classic pee down your leg juncture of a game. Call the timeout...yes...it was a turnover machine of a game. Why is there any more of a chance to commit a turnover after the TO that the way it went down?

Here is the problem...you call the TO and you draw up a good play and the execution is poor you blame the players. You call the TO and you draw up garbage that isn't executed it is on the coach. You let it play out like it did and it's on the players.

2 out of the 3 scenarios reduce the liability on the coach for a bad play drawn up out of a timeout. This team is not an NBA team by any means. This team has to be coached more like a HS team. They needed the guidance at that point in time. The guys on the floor weren't 5 lockdown offensive players you see at the next level that you can just cut loose and expect good things to happen. These guys needed a one hitter out of the timeout that guarantees that a shot gets off or the clock expires on the UD end of the floor.
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Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit.
You must not work in a field where people leave employers to better their careers as they see fit. That isn't quitting, that is career advancement. Your "quit" arguments tell me quite a bit.
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I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.

We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
Until I see something to convince me otherwise, I think Sam's days at UD are done. We'll quietly hear about him transferring to some D2 school once he is re-instated.

Mikesell may never be a starter for UD, but he might still end up as a shooter off the bench. I'll be shocked if he isn't getting minutes for the Flyers next year.

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You must not work in a field where people leave employers to better their careers as they see fit. That isn't quitting, that is career advancement. Your "quit" arguments tell me quite a bit.
I don't mind Archie leaving for a bigger job, I do mind how his last two recruiting classes were before he left.
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.

I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.

I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.

Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
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I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
I agree with you on the TO and for the reason you mention but it would be hard to look at everyone and say - just remember if one of you f-up and turn the ball over, remember we can foul one time and they won't be shooting free throws.
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I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
That's the second part...players aren't always aware of the "game reset"...ask Chris Webber.
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This team has to be coached more like a HS team. They needed the guidance at that point in time. The guys on the floor weren't 5 lockdown offensive players you see at the next level that you can just cut loose and expect good things to happen. These guys needed a one hitter out of the timeout that guarantees that a shot gets off or the clock expires on the UD end of the floor.
What he said. Young team, lots of clock, call time out.
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.

I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.

I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.

Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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In 1978, that action would earn you a 'T' and a chuckle.

In 2017, that action would earn you a 'T', and ejection and a suspension. Not a laughing matter.
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Right. That's like the coach making an actual play. A puppetmaster is not allowed to show his hands. It spoils the show.
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The good news this year is that Grant is our coach. Archie left Grant, John Crosby as the point guard after Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit. So late in the cycle Grant comes in and get Jalen at 150 pounds and in short order develops him into our starting point guard. Our man to man D is just not good. Freshman struggle with defense and Sunday nite the change to the match up zone kept us in the game. Archie didn't teach or use zone and we would have been in even deeper foul trouble and got blown out. Anthony will get better players and he is a very solid coach.
that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
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I think AG may have some growth as a coach still untapped. I think both the passion of coaching his Alma mater and the experience under his belt could indeed reveal a newer better version of his previous coaching self. He knows his teams have been criticised for their lack of offensive propensity. Hopefully he's grown and surrounded himself with assistants to better that.
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Guys all coaches can get better. Coach K at 70 is playing zone with his freshman. The Duke fans are angry that there defense is so bad this year and K on his weekly show said.. believe me they play zone better than man to man. So even K getting grief, but has the balls to try something different. As Good as Archie was he really dropped the ball at the end of last year, team we predictable and unmotivated and lost 3 straight with his 4 Seniors and his process. Its a never ending learning about your team and what they need. Grant inherited a mess and is pushing buttons to see what works. So Kostas in his last 32 min has Zero rebounds....Josh turns it over 7 times against Auburn. Not his fault. Go look at the tape we feed Kostas the ball on the block Sunday two straight times and he turned it over. So he loses our best recruit when Archie quit. Kostas has a zero summer with zero development and now X has missed 3 games. I will give him some time.
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that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
Fact AG never coached in the A-10, but finished 1st in the CAA all three years he coached there.
Not that I disagree with everything you say, but when you state something as a fact when it clearly is not it makes it much harder to buy in to the other statements you are making.
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Typo, lol, but thanks for agreeing, I pray we go 25-5 every year and I eat crow but his track record is already following him here, BORING and no offensive strategy
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.

I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.

I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.

Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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Out coached in the last 30 seconds??? What did Howland do in the last 30 seconds to outcoach Grant???
OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didnt.
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didnt.
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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
I disagree with the necessity of calling a TO. It gives the other team a chance to set up a defense as well. Sometimes you want to be able to get a play in the flow of the game. He doesn't NEED to call a TO.
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didn’t.
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I have to disagree here as far as setting up a final shot. Most of the plays drawn up these days in a tie game or down 1 are just designed to get the ball into the hands of your best player and then clear out. Then your best post comes and sets a pick at the top of the key and there are drive or pass options off of that. The ball was already in DD's hands and the players cleared out. This is exactly what we did without calling a TO. DD just botched it.

EDIT: I do agree that it would have been good to call a TO to instruct the team to foul after a made or missed shot.

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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
I disagree with the necessity of calling a TO. It gives the other team a chance to set up a defense as well. Sometimes you want to be able to get a play in the flow of the game. He doesn't NEED to call a TO.
We only had five fouls, believe or not, so no bonus. That is the biggest argument of calling a timeout, so you can instruct the players on fouling. Even if we scored, we should have fouled a penetrating dribbler.
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didnt.
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What a great example of circular reasoning. State an opinion that is never proven. Then use that opinion to draw a wild conclusion (Grant blew it) based on your opinion. Quite illogical.

If they had called timeout and then had a TO on the inbounds play I'm quite sure you and the rest of the other way too vocal minority would have been on here with the same conclusion (Grant got out coached) from the exact opposite action. Me thinks your bias is showing.

Your 'out coached' wasn't the only poor choice of words.
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Its fun to read the message boards. Notre Dame fans are angry with Brey, saying same old stuff. Duke fans hate the zone K is playing. Indiana fans were mad at Archie after they got killed by Michigan because they were un prepared. I think the only coach that will get a pass is the guy who wins the whole thing.
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We only had five fouls, believe or not, so no bonus. That is the biggest argument of calling a timeout, so you can instruct the players on fouling. Even if we scored, we should have fouled a penetrating dribbler.
But Coach Grant would probably argue that the correct play is to shoot the ball with less than 3 seconds on the clock, so whether you make or miss the shot, its effectively the last shot in regulation. Even if you make the shot, another 1.5-2.0 seconds goes off the clock, relegating the clock to just 1-2 seconds remaining. You aren't even in the mindset of the opposition getting the ball back because they.....well....they shouldnt if you do what you're supposed to do which is shoot the last shot that can be taken in regulation.

But lets say Darrell does that and swishes a shot with 1.3 seconds left on the clock. Miss State now has to go the length of the court to tie or win.

With just 1.3 (or something similar) seconds left, you're no longer in "fouling" mode anyway. This is not a case where a team has 4-6 seconds, gets to halfcourt, and you hatchet a guy to force another in-bounds which may force them to throw the ball in the backcourt of away from the rim and eat up more time and give you a better chance to defend a poor shot.

With such little time on the clock, Miss State has a catch -- and MAYBE one dribble -- at most. In other words they are gonna chuck it as soon as they get the ball. Last thing you want to do under these circumstances is foul a shooter -- because the likely level of difficulty in any shot they take is going to be very high anyway. You have no time to foul the guy NOT in the act of shooting because hes basically going to shoot as soon as he catches the long in-bounds pass. God forbid we foul a shooter while taking a 35ft circus shot, he makes 3FTs and the Bulldogs win the game by one.

I have no issues with not calling a TO with the ball late. Miss State had no more timeouts themselves. Calling a TO allows them draw up a defeese -- perhaps an in-bound pass denial that causes a turnover. Given how we were throwing the ball away -- and if you remember we threw the ball away on an inbounds pass earlier in the second half -- there's no need to risk that when you already have the ball across halfcourt and have the final shot in the game. Maybe if you have Scoochie on the court you feel like you have more options, but we dont have those options. With this team you need to keep it simple and not create a solution in search of a problem.

If we do what we're supposed to do, neither having a foul to give nor taking a timeout nor giving Miss State a decent look at the last shot of the game even happens. Its not even on the radar.
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They did. A lot less.
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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
They had a foul to give.
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that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
you are living in a dreamworld if you believe AG ever coached in the A-10.. your facts, are skewed and juxtaposed with reality
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We played pretty darn good against TT, except for guarding the corner shooter for half the game. I think he is still in that corner this morning unguarded. The offense has a ways to go, but way better than what we saw earlier. Grant's coaching is showing in improvement. Some facts: 40 pts in the paint and 23 fast break points and 22 assists on 31 baskets.

Do not understand the slow down at the start of the shot clock, then we panic with 10 seconds left? Just looks like dumb strategy, especially for our young guys.
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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I'm not fanning the flames but we got beat by a team that is part of a league in which we'd never lost. That's not a fluke that we were 13-0 against them. It is because they give no athletic scholarships. We got beat by doctors and lawyers. At home no less.
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Yes, it's a bad loss. But John Wooden wouldn't have fared much better today. There was only one player on the court today that was a significant part of the team last year. It takes time.

AG hasn't even really had a chance to bring in his own guys. Crutcher is technically one of his, but he came into the recruiting process very late and was behind every other team in the country. Crutcher is a great get considering AG had done ZERO recruiting prior to April. Every other team had spent years with these kids.

Unfortunately for you, udscott, it's going to be a few years before we can truly judge AGs performance. Think you can make it that long?
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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I'm not fanning the flames but we got beat by a team that is part of a league in which we'd never lost. That's not a fluke that we were 13-0 against them. It is because they give no athletic scholarships. We got beat by doctors and lawyers. At home no less.
Ty ! All they wanna do is make every excuse but blame the coach on here
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If Archie would still be the coach, I am not sure the record would be much better.

Opposition scouts have stated that there is a lot less talent this year.
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I find it interesting that our young and inexperienced team has also played the 3rd hardest schedule in the country to date, if you believe the RPI ratings.

Another good job by our AD with our scheduling. I think this is a good thing as we get ready for A-10 play. Get X back and healthy, bit more experience with AG & the freshmen getting to know one another, and I expect to see an entirely different team come February.
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If Archie would still be the coach, I am not sure the record would be much better.

Opposition scouts have stated that there is a lot less talent this year.
Tough to compare, the team could have a different look. Wright is off to a great start and he may have brought in some grad transfers

I think the more interesting would be is where we would be if Ostrom was the head coach
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Archie is a brilliant coach but his last recruiting class was awful and he left the cupboard bare when he left. We need time and most (not all) of the criticism of CAG is premature. The team will test the patience of any fan this year. Certainly my expectations for the regular season & A10T have been lowered.
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I don't get why anyone thought this would be a good season.
First we graduate 4 seniors with the 3rd most points in NCAA graduating last year.
Next we have a coaching change.
Next we loose the best recruit pt guard coming in.
Then our remaining point guard quits the team and then comes back.
We loose one player for being an idiot and embarrassment to the U.
We loose another player this season due to surgeries
One of our top recruits can't play and is a partial qualifier.
One of the Freshman is not even close to ready to play at the speed of the college game.
One of our two best returning players has had back issues and missed 1/2 the games.
Another player is injured.
And we are playing lots of freshman - one of which has a target on his back because who his brother is.

Again tell me why anyone thought or thinks this season is going to be a winning one? Next year - heck yeah - but not this year. This year is when our Freshman get lots of minutes and experience that will pay off next year. This season just chill and get to know all the new faces. The 3 freshman playing - are all going to be great players for us - in the future. This year it will just be little flashes of greatness.
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Just a reminder. After 2.5 years in January 2014, this message board was fed up with Archie Miller and many were calling for his ouster. This was after he coached about 75 games. AG has coached 9 games with a roster full of players who have not played college ball.

Bottom-line, way too early to assess AG.
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I don't get why anyone thought this would be a good season.
First we graduate 4 seniors with the 3rd most points in NCAA graduating last year.
Next we have a coaching change.
Next we loose the best recruit pt guard coming in.
Then our remaining point guard quits the team and then comes back.
We loose one player for being an idiot and embarrassment to the U.
We loose another player this season due to surgeries
One of our top recruits can't play and is a partial qualifier.
One of the Freshman is not even close to ready to play at the speed of the college game.
One of our two best returning players has had back issues and missed 1/2 the games.
Another player is injured.
And we are playing lots of freshman - one of which has a target on his back because who his brother is.

Again tell me why anyone thought or thinks this season is going to be a winning one? Next year - heck yeah - but not this year. This year is when our Freshman get lots of minutes and experience that will pay off next year. This season just chill and get to know all the new faces. The 3 freshman playing - are all going to be great players for us - in the future. This year it will just be little flashes of greatness.

I over estimated based on the following:

1. My rose colored glasses tend to make me an optimist for teams I love
2. Svoboda having years of semi pro experience and shooting near 50% from the international 3 line
3. Kostas redshirting
4. X back & stronger than ever
5. Josh back and better than ever forming a talented starting line up.
6. The intangible of Coach Grant's return
7. My rose colored glasses

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Tough to compare, the team could have a different look. Wright is off to a great start and he may have brought in some grad transfers

I think the more interesting would be is where we would be if Ostrom was the head coach
I thought Kuwik interviewed also.

Why didn't Griffin interview?

All 3 had enough assistant coaching experience to be given the job IMO.

And Archie had no head coaching experience when he took over.
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I stumbled onto this article. Coach Griffin wants to be a hc someday:


http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasket...have_opti.html:


"Right now, I'm still at Dayton. Coach Miller has a lot on his plate so far. So I'm just waiting for that to clear and figure out what's going on," Griffin said by telephone today. "We've talked. From that perspective, I know he's going to tell me what's best for himself and his family and his program and for me. So when it comes to that, I'm just waiting patiently. I'm hanging out with the guys we have here. I still have a job to do here."

"I know he's not in a rush to do anything. He wants to pick the right person for the job and you can only respect that. I'm going to sit back and kinda wait," Griffin said. "And who knows who gets the job here? They might call me and say, 'Hey, we want to keep you on staff.' It's good to have options, a little bit. I just gotta sit back patiently and wait and let this whole deal play out. Then look at it and see what's the best move for my career. Eventually, I want to sit in that first seat and I've got to prepare myself for that."

By "first seat," Griffin means "head coaching seat." It's a position most assistant coaches aspire to achieve.

Griffin said he had "no idea" who would get the Dayton job, but that whomever the guy was, "he's going to be set up for success." Miller, Griffin said, laid the groundwork for his successor.
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Originally Posted by podcast411 View Post
I don't get why anyone thought this would be a good season.
First we graduate 4 seniors with the 3rd most points in NCAA graduating last year.
Next we have a coaching change.
Next we loose the best recruit pt guard coming in.
Then our remaining point guard quits the team and then comes back.
We loose one player for being an idiot and embarrassment to the U.
We loose another player this season due to surgeries
One of our top recruits can't play and is a partial qualifier.
One of the Freshman is not even close to ready to play at the speed of the college game.
One of our two best returning players has had back issues and missed 1/2 the games.
Another player is injured.
And we are playing lots of freshman - one of which has a target on his back because who his brother is.

Again tell me why anyone thought or thinks this season is going to be a winning one? Next year - heck yeah - but not this year. This year is when our Freshman get lots of minutes and experience that will pay off next year. This season just chill and get to know all the new faces. The 3 freshman playing - are all going to be great players for us - in the future. This year it will just be little flashes of greatness.
Simple.

A significant amount of the posters are employed in something other than CBB coaching or talent evaluation. Myself included.
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Our coach is terrible. How could we lose to such a mediocre team. Great academic school, but not so good athletes. So what if we have a bunch of freshmen, it is the coaches resposibility to make them play like college players. Our offense was terrible, and what is with the constant zone defense? Play man or stay home. Coach K has got to go. Oh wait, is this not the Duke forum?
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Ty ! All they wanna do is make every excuse but blame the coach on here
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It is one thing to blame the coach for a loss, it is another to call for a coach of one of the most inexperienced teams in D1, in his first year at a school, to be fired 7 games into the season LOL!
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.

If not, why not?
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.

If not, why not?
omg, your argument does not even hold water, Indiana has lost to like 2-3 top 15 programs, we got losses to Penn, and 2 other meatball schools, Archie has 4 straight NCAA appearances with a elite 8 in there, AG has 4 out of 6 years at Alabama below .500 in conference, at the end of the day, the talent UD draws should beat the meatball teams, You have not heard me once complain about a loss to a decent program, its our losses vs the bottom of the barrel
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plus have u been to the arena this year ? our offensive game plan is so bad all you hear is moans and groans from fans cause every time we look up were standing at the top of the key with 7 seconds to go, his offense has completely took the life out of the building
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.

If not, why not?
Agree. What I find absolutely hilarious are some of these same clowns that want Grant gone or say he's a terrible coach ,riding their emotional tampons, and do the same thing after every loss, then seem to come around a bit after getting torched the rest of the week with coherent, sensible posts then seemingly unable to even watch the next game without falling right back into their ignorant rants...

They simply can't/ don't want to actually interpret what a "process" is..A ton of new, inexperienced players along with a new coach with both entities making mistakes and trying to get on the same page after only 9 games. People wanted Archie gone after a 1-5 start in his 3rd year at UD...
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