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My ranking is not based upon 15 games, it is based upon his previous 9 years as a hc plus the 15 games as UD's hc.

This is obviously not a final ranking, he will likely get at least 4 or 5 years here to improve that ranking.
So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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AG has been won 1 tourney game in 3 trips over 9 seasons

OP went to 3 straight tourneys at Clemson. His run at Clemson was more successful than anything AG has done
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OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.

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Thought I'd respond to this thread rather than start a new one.

I remain a staunch supporter of Coach Grant as I don't know the issues he's facing. I'm assuming we have 1-2 knuckleheads on the team that are on their own agenda. If so I'm behind our coach who by any definition is a man of integrity. I think Coach Grant will be a very effective recruiter, especially to those families that care where they send their children- notably those single mom's who see Coach as role model who can turn their children into men. The UD campus is a Mom's dream (I have personal knowledge of this having a D there now and knowing my wife's feeling about UD). Coach Grant is also a Mom's dream I would argue.

If Coach can get some recruits to join Dwayne Cohill next year, I like our chances to soon be dominant again in the A-10. VCU is going to be a mess for awhile after losing Tillman - we almost swept them with him & Rhode Island is due to fall back next year losing those seniors.

I may join the critics of his in-game coaching in 2-3 years but today he's the man I want at the helm.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
AG has been won 1 tourney game in 3 trips over 9 seasons

OP went to 3 straight tourneys at Clemson. His run at Clemson was more successful than anything AG has done
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OP was the Marty Schottenheimer and Dusty Baker of college basketball game. Give him a full regular season and his teams could usually squeak into the playoffs and then he never had them accomplish what they could've during the one and dones.
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We have 5 good players.

1 can't play on the road.
1 has been a stud but is prone to foul trouble.
The other 3 are for all intents and purposes freshmen, and are streaky like freshmen.

That combo is good enough to look really good at times and awful at others.

It has taken Grant 2/3 of the year to figure out playing a 6 man rotation gives us the best shot to win most nights. He tried to go the development route, but sometimes the locker room gets out of control. We all heard this happened the year we lost to Cuse in the NCAA.

I'm excited to watch the rest of the season. And beyond.
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Grant also wanted to bring in Donnie Jones as the first assistant but the administration rejected the hire. Personally, I would have loved the hire, but it really doesn't fit the integrity beyond reproach narrative.
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Grant also wanted to bring in Donnie Jones as the first assistant but the administration rejected the hire. Personally, I would have loved the hire, but it really doesn't fit the integrity beyond reproach narrative.
Quite a bit of mythos built up about the man.
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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.
In 9 years as a head coach before Dayton, Anthony Grant has never put together two consecutive NCAA appearances.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer View Post
So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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No it's not "clearly". There's a big difference between taking 3 programs dwelling in bottom of their standings and lifting them up to winning programs and another one taking over teams that have had some recent success and either continuing it or reestablishing it. While it's not clear either way, my point is that it's not clear. OP is credited with saving programs. AG has yet to have any legacy that comes close to that. keyword is "Yet".

The two most important coaches in UD's history are Tom Blackburn and Oliver Purnell because without either of those two, we would not have had the subsequent successful programs that followed. Does that make them the greatest coaches when it comes to winning? No, it makes them builders and saviors of programs, without them you don't get the Donohers and Millers.

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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
OP never won a tournament game at any stop.

His teams at Clemson were known for playing an absolute cake non-con schedule, and then squeaking into the tournament. One year he had a very good team with a good seed and blew it in the NCAA. That probably sounds familiar.

So your logic is questionable.

However, I thought he did a great job here to rebuild the program.
OP was a 5 seed in 07-08 (a higher seed than AG has ever gotten)
7 seed in 08-09
7 seed in 09-10

Brownell went to the tourney his first year with OP's guys

So clearly what you said about squeaking into the tournament isn't true.
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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.
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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.

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Can we stop with whatever AG had at previous jobs? Jesus, Bill Belicheck has 5 Super Bowl Championships with NE and was a failed coach with the Browns. Whatever AG did before is of absolutely no value whatsoever today. Different team, different circumstances, different school.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
In 9 years as a head coach before Dayton, Anthony Grant has never put together two consecutive NCAA appearances.
In seven seasons before this one Dan Hurley has only made it to one NCAA, and never consecutive years. Are you betting against him this year?
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
OP was a 5 seed in 07-08 (a higher seed than AG has ever gotten)
7 seed in 08-09
7 seed in 09-10

Brownell went to the tourney his first year with OP's guys

So clearly what you said about squeaking into the tournament isn't true.
If you would like something that is demonstrably true, Anthony Grant has more NCAA tournament wins than Oliver Purnell.
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If you would like something that is demonstrably true, Anthony Grant has more NCAA tournament wins than Oliver Purnell.
Was that ever a point contention?
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Your point was Purnell was more successful as a head coach than Grant ever was.

Grant has more NCAA wins than Purnell. So, sure.
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Recruiting

If AG can add at least two really good freshmen for the 2019 season...guys that can contribute like the 2018 freshmen we'll be cookin...in my opinion.
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If AG can add at least two really good freshmen for the 2019 season...guys that can contribute like the 2018 freshmen we'll be cookin...in my opinion.
I agree and I didn't want to start a new thread but Happy Valentine's Day to all fellow UD Priders. At least we all seem to agree that Anthony Grant should be given adequate time (3-4 yrs) to work with the current players and get his own recruits. I, for one, hope he is successful and stays for a long time.

Just this week David Jablonski posted on his twitter account how much Jalen Crutcher has improved from his first 12 games to his last 12! Trey Landers has set an example for the younger players of what can be accomplished from one year to the next if you put the necessary work in.

It is nice to have a forum where we can express our opinions, oftentimes just to release frustrations after a loss but as long as they don't become demeaning I find it interesting and try to read them all! I agree with the Jay Bilas's and the Bill Raftery's of the world who say that UD fans are some of the most knowledgable about the game of basketball!
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So are you including JOB's years with the Celtics or OP's years at Clemson or ODU? If not why not? AG has clearly had more success than OP has anywhere.
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I was not including JOB in my rankings, I was only looking at the last 4 head coaches.

I included all of OP's head coaching stops.

AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
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I was not including JOB in my rankings, I was only looking at the last 4 head coaches.

I included all of OP's head coaching stops.

AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
The only thing wrong about the comment is that appearances in post season that are 1 and done are like participation trophies ... sure there nice but only the participant remembers them ... no one else can quite remember you were there and what you did!
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For what it’s worth, Purnell’s post-season accomplishments were compiled during a 27-year career as a head coach. Grant is in just his 10th year as a head coach.
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...Which is why, even though last yearís senior class went to the NCAAT after every season, the teams that will be most remembered are the Elite Eight team from 2014 and the Magnificent Seven squad from 2015. The past two seasons will be most remembered for what might have been (if guys didnít have girl trouble, and if God hadnít recruited a shot-blocker).
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AG did win a NCAAT game, which OP never did, but OP has more NIT and NCAAT appearances.
OP did an excellent job rebuilding the program but he also lost to teams like Detroit and Tennessee Tech at home in the NIT. His nickname was never "Mr. March."

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I'm amazed that grown men continue to trash former coaches to make a point. OP, BG, and AM all contributed to the foundation that has been set. All were not perfect either. Hopefully AG builds on it. We shall see.

I still think it is silly to draw any conclusions about AG with such a small sample size and, clearly, not a full complement of players at his disposal. I guess it's all part of "it's better to be first than potentially right" ethos that permeates our twitter/social media driven society these days
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I think a view is made clearer if you see AG here a decade from now (or not). I project he will be here. The next part of this is: what are the desired achievements.
When I was active here, Dayton was consistently compared to Xavier. With our presumed A-10 stature, I at least expected the Flyers making the NCAA a few times a decade. I surely see AG improving, but think he comes up short given the following perception:

There are so many coaches out there with abundant passion, ego, and self-determination. I believe those 3 traits to be imperative. Yet, such a competitive environment exists that even possessing these qualities guarantee nothing. However, NOT having any one of these, assures failure to reach the TOP.
The departure from heading one's own program especially brought pause. I really do NOT think AG is DRIVEN by obsession or/and unwavering vision. Christ, these persons in successful programs practically sell their souls

AG got a particularly slanted look because of being an alum and was deemed a 'stayer.' I think he will stay.
In a decade, Dayton will again be on the cusp of occasional NCAA invites under AG, as he will mature. Still, I doubt there will be success commensurate with the advantages Dayton affords (relative to the other A-10 programs).

I DO wish AG the best. I simply put my thoughts to words.... I am not here to agitate 'optimists and believers.'
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“He took a group of players and got them to believe. That's the hardest thing to do. When people are used to losing, creating a vision and getting people to buy in to a vision and share the vision and trust the vision and trust you as a new coach … is not easy. But he's genuine. He's sincere. He's believable.”

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This is a potentially disastrous hire in terms of failing to maintain our momentum.

I would give AG a very short leash.

There is no reason that he should not have UD back in the NCAAT by year 3 or year 4.

If UD is not back in the NCAAT by year 4, then I think UD should pull the plug and replace him and move on.

I am not in favor of giving him 6 or 7 or 8 years. We did that with BG, and things never got better.
Well he is 0-3 so far. I sure hope he gets them to the dance this upcoming year. I donít want to see him get canned - I really like the guy.

So much garbage on this thread itís comical. There are at least 2 guys on here they have to packs on at least 100 lbs after all the crow they should have eaten by now.
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Yep...really bad move...I have made my feelings very clear on this...good luck to AG...I hope that he has learned some things since he was fired at Alabama...I will try to reserve further criticism until we see what he does on the court.

Feeling very depressed right now. Get ready for some ugly basketball.
I can cherry pick his post too. I 100% liked this post way back then and agree with it still
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I can cherry pick his post too. I 100% liked this post way back then and agree with it still
So you still think it was a bad hire and think itís been 3 years of ugly basketball? This wasnít cherry picking and might have been the least negative of the many
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I never understood why people disliked the hire. Considering it seems like so few people understand the Xís & Oís of basketball, let alone broke down film of how Grantís team played at Alabama

But even If they couldnít explain why they disliked how Grantís teams played, they completely discounted his successes at VCU or really valuable experience gained coaching in the NBA. In Oklahoma City he coached at the very highest level in the Finals, with probably the best roster in the league for a few years

It really seemed like many people just wanted to be negative about the hire
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Trey Landers, Jalen Crutcher, Rodney Chatman (I think), and Obi Toppin have never played a minute of NCAA tournament ball. Ryan Miksell played a total of 8 minutes. And technically, AG hasnít delivered an NCAA tournament appearance yet. (NCAA tournament appearances can be so over rated.)

I think we make the tournament next year. I just canít see Jalen and Rodney never making it and I canít see Ibi not making it back. I think about how players improved in the last third of the season. Rodney found his role again. Ibi worked his way out of a shooting slump. I except him to be on fire from the first game next year as a starter. Heís waited a long time to be a starter at this level. I believe he will bring it every night. Cohill just flat out manned-up. Jordy had his best games late.

Jalen is NOT going to leave UD without getting his shot to showcase his talents running his team on the NCAA stage. AG & Co will find a way to get next yearís team to the dance.
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No reason to not expect this team to not be in the Tourney next year. Too much upperclassmen talent and plenty of young talent where only 1 or 2 have to be a regular contributor. Oh and CAG leading the pack.
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I might as well go on record with this now, rather than say I told you so later.

Predictions: none of the current UD assistants stay...MW is gone, maybe a couple/few other recruits leave as well...Kostas leaves...Avery Johnson does better at Alabama than AG did...AM does very well at IU...AG is fired or leaves under pressure eventually, like BG did...we are back at ground zero, starting over again, after AG is gone.

I hope that I am wrong about all of this.

Certainly expecting some red pips.
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Can somebody in the know give us the style of D and O AG will run or at least has run in the past. I always felt that AM's style of both were the right direction both as fun to watch and getting us to the top, it was just a matter of getting a higher and higher quality of player/athletes to improve.

What if anything resembles Don Donoher? Anything similar to AM? Or what coach in UD's recent past does his styles on D and O resemble. Is he flexible enough to incorporate a zone defense if the situation calls for it? Does he like to press? What about ball movement on offense?

I personally would've preferred to keep the AM style going. I have had reservations about AG for a few reasons. But that's going to be dropped from the opinions I express from here on out. He's our coach and he's had great successes and also what looks to be some bad failures. This is a new situation for both he and UD so it might just be the best fit for both.

Welcome home AG, I hope you've found your perfect coaching job and we've found our perfect coach.
Took the trip down memory lane, and found this somewhat prophetic post from Smitty10, especially the 2nd paragraph:
-What if anything resembles Don Donoher? Player motion on offense, commitment to the University community.
-Is he flexible enough to incorporate a zone defense if the situation calls for it? Yep.
-Does he like to press? When the situation calls for it, yes.
-What about ball movement on offense? The results speak for themselves.

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So you still think it was a bad hire and think it’s been 3 years of ugly basketball? This wasn’t cherry picking and might have been the least negative of the many
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I didn’t like the hire at the time. His record at Alabama left a lot to be desired. The post I quoted also said that ud2 hoped he learned some new things in the NBA (which it appears he did) and that he would reserve criticism (which I have). After this year my only concern is how do we keep momentum moving forward and try to retain assistant coaches? Neither are a fault of AG.

I just see a lot of people throw ud2 and few others under the bus everytime they post. Nobody will be right 100% of the time but they post without their “everything about ud is great” attitude and I see them as realist. A lot of people on here think UD can do nothing wrong. Perfect example below as they reference one poster and respond to ud2

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I was wait and see.

So far, so good. Let’s hang on to the guy.

TX Flyer hit it on the head.
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My position at the time of AG's hire was that just about any other hire was going to continue the revolving coaching door at UD. Whether it was 3 years, 5 years or 8 years, it was going to continue. A coaching change is very disruptive and it is not just the actual change that hurts. It is the hint of the change that hurts as much with recruiting.

If AG worked out, he would provide stability because I didn't see him leaving for another opportunity. If it didn't work out, we would be in the same spot as before. Right now it looks like it is working out.
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My position at the time of AG's hire was that just about any other hire was going to continue the revolving coaching door at UD. Whether it was 3 years, 5 years or 8 years, it was going to continue. A coaching change is very disruptive and it is not just the actual change that hurts. It is the hint of the change that hurts as much with recruiting.

If AG worked out, he would provide stability because I didn't see him leaving for another opportunity. If it didn't work out, we would be in the same spot as before. Right now it looks like it is working out.


Exactly, stability is the key. I think Archie had a tough time recruiting after his Elite 8 run partly because everyone knew he was going to leave eventually.
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I wanted AG three coaches ago.
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Since we are talking about coaches

A Miller - although we had 4 years of NCAA games you would have thought that the recruits being brought in would be 'pretty good' ... not 4 or 5 stars but pretty good.

IIRC There was J Davis from SC, and M Wright but there were some really pizz poor attitude guys or players with issues in the last 2 classes. Let's remember that very first NCAA run had freshmen on the team that turned out to be the winningest team in history. But some recruits he had coming his last year and what was anticipated in the year after he left ... not sure what Archie was thinking.

IIRC a recruit or recruit of interest we did not get was quoted as saying something to the affect "He didn't think he could get that player so Archie backed off" .

How he would have fared with the team he was expected to have if he stayed is anyones guess. Some of them turns out were 'basket cases' or in over their heads.

A Grant - For what has turned out to be better than anyone could have imagined Grant's our guy now.

Typical in the extreme's of opinion and prognosticators both on this board and in media it was the worst possible hire or the best hire ever.

I was honestly unsure and would have been in the middle ... somewhat wait and see but give the guy some time to show what he's made off. He had success at VCU and so - so at AL.

As an assistant coach let's face it, you can hardy have a known quantity from that position as we have seen already (BC). So what he did or didn't have as skills as an Assistant Coach gets shadowed by the HC.

Looking at that first year ... it sucked but he had a team like an independent racer using a 1973 Ford Pinto in a NASCAR race. (for you people born after 1980 - google it!)

He got rid of dead wood and although struggling to fill positions he got a decent record the next year ...

And then this year .... the maestro handled both the players and the notoriety of outside noise with a trained hand.

I do have to chuckle a bit when I see reference to what some naysayers posted or claimed that 'if he follows my advice or does what I think should be done he will work out well' ...

Really? Wow the skill set and hubris some have on here .... experts in hiring and scheduling ... I say what a waste of talent you have in putting your time on here when there is so much 'out there' that needs fixing. Just saying.

I've done my share of hiring and firing. Some I was thrilled to have come on board disappointed in the end and some I took due to desperation to get work accomplished I have been surprised and very happy they turned out well. You some times just gotta do what you can and hope for the best.

In Grant I see someone who wants to do well for his school and his new home town. He is going to be the one who beats himself up more than anyone from the outside could if things go poorly and tempers his chest beating when things go well.
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Not my first choice, but he's had some good runs. We'll see if he can hang onto this recruiting class. NBA coaching experience won't hurt.
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Meh...
This is a good get IF he can keep McKinley Wright, but i seriously doubt that will happen...

we will see...
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Feeling very depressed right now. Get ready for some ugly basketball.

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this is a sorry bunch of flyer fans. Never seen anyone gloat so much when speaking of their fellow alums and Fans. There was nothing wrong with any of the concerns posted 3 years ago. If any of you said you expected the year we just had you’re lying.

Why can’t we just enjoy the year we had and be happy that the future is still bright? Does it make you feel like bigger men to say you posted something on a message board to prove you’re more right?
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Txflyer, I find your comment interesting. You have a tendency to be more negative than positive on your posts and I would imagine you would have jumped all over Grant had he failed. Just admit Grant was a great, not good, hire and let it be.
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Txflyer, I find your comment interesting. You have a tendency to be more negative than positive on your posts and I would imagine you would have jumped all over Grant had he failed. Just admit Grant was a great, not good, hire and let it be.
I have said I like the grant hire now. I questioned it in the beginning after his Alabama stint. What he did in 3 years I thought would have taken him many more years, if at all. Never did I imagine him being national coach of the year. But itís a well deserved recognition for what he has done
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If we're not accountable for what we say -- what are we. The hits and the misses.
I get that. My concern is people come out of the woodworks to tell people they are wrong. They then go on about how people only post when they think things are ďwrongĒ. Are they not doing the exact same thing? Yes
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I know Coach Grant was the National Coach of the Year and all, but I'm still p!ssed that we didn't hire Ray Harper.
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I'm on board. Would love to keep Ostrom. Would love to keep the recruits.

If not...we will be OK. May have to survive for a year or two on graduate transfers and under the radar guys, but we will be OK.
This guy is an idiot. We found the under the radar guys...and I think we did a little more than survive.
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This guy is an idiot. We found the under the radar guys...and I think we did a little more than survive.
In no way trying to be argumentative. Iíd be genuinely interested in your 3rd year feedback on JC vs. MW and your projections for year 4 since you were probably the most passionate poster about losing him etc and since Iím sure youíve kept a closer eye on him than most of us.

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In no way trying to be argumentative. Iíd be genuinely interested in your 3rd year feedback on JC vs. MW and your projections for year 4 since you were probably the most passionate poster about losing him etc and since Iím sure youíve kept a closer eye on him than most of us.

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It's funny - I was passionate about it - and I still catch myself watching a Colorado game here and there.

MW is the better defender, but offensively he needs the ball in his hands. The offense runs through him - and I don't think that style of play would fit well into what AG has done.

I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong 3 years ago. I was convinced MW was the better player. I continued to believe that up until this year. JC changed my mind this year for sure - and I think next year we see him take another big step forward.

In the last few days I've seen two "50 best players in NCAA" lists. Obviously Obi was #1 on both. What was more interesting, though, was that JC made both lists - MW was not on either.

It was great to see JC get the recognition he deserves.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/03/1...t-players-2020

https://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ansas-kentucky
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In the 5 pages of professional analysis on this thread, there is one thing that can be measured, that had nothing to do with previous records, offense, defense, etc.

CULTURE.

AG has established a culture at UD that will provide more beneficial than using timeouts, X's and O's, etc. That culture is something that he can establish and follow through with due to being a lifer here at UD. AM cared about the culture that got him some immediate results, but not the results that sustain a program for the long haul.
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My take-away from looking back at coaching changes:

It's hard to handicap coaches before they start their tenure. And we need to sit back and wait 3-4 years to see what they can establish.
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This guy is an idiot. We found the under the radar guys...and I think we did a little more than survive.
Lighten up. Overall, I think this guy is a pretty good poster. He canít be expected to be Wright all the time.
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It's funny - I was passionate about it - and I still catch myself watching a Colorado game here and there.

MW is the better defender, but offensively he needs the ball in his hands. The offense runs through him - and I don't think that style of play would fit well into what AG has done.

I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong 3 years ago. I was convinced MW was the better player. I continued to believe that up until this year. JC changed my mind this year for sure - and I think next year we see him take another big step forward.

In the last few days I've seen two "50 best players in NCAA" lists. Obviously Obi was #1 on both. What was more interesting, though, was that JC made both lists - MW was not on either.

It was great to see JC get the recognition he deserves.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/03/1...t-players-2020

https://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ansas-kentucky
I agree with your analysis and they are just 2 different type of players. If MW came to UD weíd see a different makeup of players on the roster. Iím not saying it would be better or worse but we got JC instead and I have no complaints there.
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Not sure about everyone but for me ....

I've generated data and analyzed trends for quite a bit of my career and was careful to limit what I said was to be or will be based upon a single point of data or a very small sample size. Forecasting using limited data (or knowledge) didn't seem to be a safe bet.

Maybe Figgie can attest to this too!


The stock market experts get it wrong too and in fact probably make more money nonetheless than their pure record would dictate they should.

So when I see someone proclaiming something that requires nothing more than the opinion but proclaimed as fact .....

Here opinions are what makes this board what it is, a collection of opinions and some facts sprinkled in for some reality checks

So yea opinions will get challenged and opinion will get hammered when it's called out ... fact of life!

Players will improve and players will degrade. Coaches will make both good and bad decisions during the season and real time in game.

It's there for all to see. Nice thing about UDPRIDE, we can all hide behind our opinions and those opinions we share pretty much does not impact real life.

Another thing to be grateful for beside OBI playing for OUR TEAM.

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I don't think many posters call out negative posts except for the posters who say the same negative stuff over and over and over and over.
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I was not overly negative, but I was CERTAINLY not overly impressed with this AG hire. At a minimum a crow appetizer is in my future.

They always say that the better the players, the better the coach looks. But I think this is different. It's beyond hard to go an entire conference season and not lose a single game. And the A10 was not that drastically overmatched by UD. Overmatched? Yes. But not so much that a game doesn't slip away here or there.

AG will struggle again in the future, there is no doubt. But he proved that he is a VERY capable coach and we're lucky to have him.
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AG will struggle again in the future, there is no doubt.
Yes very true but this is not a specific trait of Grant. All coaches face this. As an example see Archie Miller and the Dookie coach this year. Duke has also lost in early rounds of the NCAA though not enough for my satisfaction!
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