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X in big trouble rest of season
Leading scorer Stainbrook went down in the Seton Hall game; looks like he blew out his knee. It buckled backwards. Right now they too are a bubble team and losing to Seton Hall by 12 at halftime. Would be their 3rd bad loss should the score hold up.
Without Stainbrook their chances in the BE tournament just went south
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Leading scorer Stainbrook went down in the Seton Hall game; looks like he blew out his knee. It buckled backwards. Right now they too are a bubble team and losing to Seton Hall by 12 at halftime. Would be their 3rd bad loss should the score hold up.
Without Stainbrook their chances in the BE tournament just went south
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I don't take pleasure in anyone blowing out their knee.
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Originally Posted by CE80
I don't take pleasure in anyone blowing out their knee.
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i dont think hes taking pleasure in it. if its going to happen, may as well happen to X.
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I take no pleasure in X losing a player to a knee injury, but they were going to lose either way because they can't win on the road. They lost to Seton Hall at home already.
I do take pleasure in the Big East being a 2-3 bid conference. It means more bids for us.
Can "Tu Bid" please stand up for the Big East? I think it's Juan Bid's younger brother.
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Seton hall is terrible, I still can't figure out how they've won any big east games
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With that said Napoleon dynamite is pretty solid in the post, should they loss this one, at home to nova and in their first game of the big east tournament, you've got to think twice with their second best player potentially gone for the year. Hope the kid can recover, he had enough ability to get paid to play somewhere.
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Originally Posted by CE80
I don't take pleasure in anyone blowing out their knee.
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Neither did I, injuries happen all the time. You misplaced the pleasure it wasn't the kid blowing out his knee it was X trailing by 12 at the half and possiibly losing the game. They are a bubble team like UD. Careful where you try to interpret what a person is posting.
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X's resume is not that good. Their losses are worse than the Flyers and the Flyers have better wins. But most important is that x is 4-6 on road and 1-3 on neutral court.
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Huh? We don't have any wins better than Cincinnati or Creighton
However, as a whole, our resume is as good as Xavier
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I don't know. They just beat Creighton, their RPI won't suffer playing 'nova. At worst 4th in that league. As much as I'd like them to stay home, I don't think it'll happen.
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19-12 with another 100+ rpi loss in the BE tourney and they stay home.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode
Huh? We don't have any wins better than Cincinnati or Creighton
However, as a whole, our resume is as good as Xavier
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When you average our top wins vs x's wins our wins are better. Remember it is RPI of your opponent not some AP or espn poll.
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X top 3 wins- Creighton RPI 9, UC RPI 17, Tenn RPI 48= avg 25
UD top 3 wins- UMASS RPI 13, Gonzaga 24, GW 31= avg 23.
And their 100+ losses are worse on average.
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Just go out and beat SLU. That's what gets UD over the hump. Not waiting for blue man group to stumble.
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If Stainbrrok is gone for the yr and IF they get blown out by Nova and IF they get blown out in the opening round of the Big East, they could be in trouble. The committee could see a bubble team w/o one of its top players and bypass them....sound familiar?
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Sounds like Eggs would make an excellent opponent for UD in the 1st round...at UD Arena.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
If Stainbrrok is gone for the yr and IF they get blown out by Nova and IF they get blown out in the opening round of the Big East, they could be in trouble. The committee could see a bubble team w/o one of its top players and bypass them....sound familiar?
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But does the committee see the Big East as a BCS league or a "mid-major" league. If it's the former, they get the bid. If the latter, they get snubbed.
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But does the committee see the Big East as a BCS league or a "mid-major" league.
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I think we all know the answer to your question...and regardless of what the Committee does with _avier, if they get snubbed their spot will only be filled by Providence, St. John's or....BOTH!
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Originally Posted by Figgie123
But does the committee see the Big East as a BCS league or a "mid-major" league. If it's the former, they get the bid. If the latter, they get snubbed.
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I will again refer you to Washington last year who won the Pac 12 but didn't get an invite. Conference affiliation is only relevant as to the teams you play and overall resume. If your overall resume is sufficient you'll get in, if not then no bid.
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Originally Posted by TA111
I will again refer you to Washington last year who won the Pac 12 but didn't get an invite. Conference affiliation is only relevant as to the teams you play and overall resume. If your overall resume is sufficient you'll get in, if not then no bid.
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That was two years ago. UCLA won the Pac Twelve last year and Oregon won the tournament (and only got a #12 seed).
I agree with your point, though.
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XU...you, as much as anyone else around here have a strong understanding and grasp of the big picture, so what's your gut feeling about _avier and the how the Big East will be treated on Selection Sunday.
Same question, different Conference...what about the A10? Is 6 bids realistic?
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XU, you are correct it was two years ago. I also believe it happened to Alabama three years ago. If in fact there was some type of conference bias you certainly would have thought the conference regular season champs would get an invite. The DanceCard guys address this in their video. They were using a conference bias factor until a few years ago. The bias actually dealt with having your conference commissioner on the selection committee. They have now found that this bias doesn't really exist.
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Originally Posted by TA111
XU, you are correct it was two years ago. I also believe it happened to Alabama three years ago. If in fact there was some type of conference bias you certainly would have thought the conference regular season champs would get an invite. The DanceCard guys address this in their video. They were using a conference bias factor until a few years ago. The bias actually dealt with having your conference commissioner on the selection committee. They have now found that this bias doesn't really exist.
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Wasn't that back when the SEC had 2 geographic divisions? Alabama won their division but that division was full of bad teams. After that, the SEC did away with the divisions.
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Originally Posted by rollo
XU...you, as much as anyone else around here have a strong understanding and grasp of the big picture, so what's your gut feeling about _avier and the how the Big East will be treated on Selection Sunday.
Same question, different Conference...what about the A10? Is 6 bids realistic?
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My gut isn't always correct, but since you asked, I think Xavier was safe after the Creighton win, but losing a key player, and losing to Seton Hall is not good. Losing their final game to Nova and their first game in the BE Tourney will be worse if that's what happens.
Also, based on recent years, particularly the last two, the committee is much more prone to reward teams that played OOC games away from home, and leave out teams who's only big wins were conference home games. I think the Atlantic Ten is getting at least five, and has a much better chance of getting as many as six than it does getting as few as four.
As far as the rest of the Big East, it's hard to say. Georgetown played some heavyweights and won OOC. The problem is they weren't all that great in conference and are log jammed behind teams that don't appear to be that strong, and their last two games are against Creighton and Nova. If they lose both of those, they're 7-11, and only one team in the history of the NCAA Tournament has gotten in when being four games under 500. The big thing that most of those teams are lacking are wins away from home, so the tipping point will probably be the conference tournament. I'm thinking it'll be three teams. It could be as many as four, but it could also be as few as two. Again, recent history indicates that they do not reward home court heroes, and they do reward teams that played away from home OOC. The majority of the Big East did the former and not the latter. With Xavier not being at full strength, they may only get two teams if Georgetown doesn't pick up a few more wins and everyone else craps out early.
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Originally Posted by CE80
Wasn't that back when the SEC had 2 geographic divisions? Alabama won their division but that division was full of bad teams. After that, the SEC did away with the divisions.
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Alabama was 12-4 and got left out. The conference did have divisiosn, but they still had the best overall record.
The year before, Auburn was 10-6 and won the West, and was left out.
I can't overstate how important it is to athletic directors that you schedule teams with a pulse in the out of conference portion of the season. Fans love to look at top fifty wins and losses, but beating the 50th best team at home really isn't a good win. If you beat a bubble team at home, you haven' demonstrated that you're a tournament team. It's actually better to beat NIT teams on the road than bubble teams at home.
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Nerlens Noel 2013. Best player goes down. Team tanks. UK to the NIT.
UC dropped from a #1 to a #2 when Kenyon Martin went down in 2000
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Originally Posted by xubrew
Alabama was 12-4 and got left out. The conference did have divisiosn, but they still had the best overall record.
The year before, Auburn was 10-6 and won the West, and was left out.
I can't overstate how important it is to athletic directors that you schedule teams with a pulse in the out of conference portion of the season. Fans love to look at top fifty wins and losses, but beating the 50th best team at home really isn't a good win. If you beat a bubble team at home, you haven' demonstrated that you're a tournament team. It's actually better to beat NIT teams on the road than bubble teams at home.
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Very good point. That is why the neutral court wins over Gonzaga-Rpi 25 and Cal RPI 50 are so important. Generally, the Flyers have a losing record away from, but not this year.
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Originally Posted by xubrew
My gut isn't always correct, but since you asked, I think Xavier was safe after the Creighton win, but losing a key player, and losing to Seton Hall is not good. Losing their final game to Nova and their first game in the BE Tourney will be worse if that's what happens.
Also, based on recent years, particularly the last two, the committee is much more prone to reward teams that played OOC games away from home, and leave out teams who's only big wins were conference home games. I think the Atlantic Ten is getting at least five, and has a much better chance of getting as many as six than it does getting as few as four.
As far as the rest of the Big East, it's hard to say. Georgetown played some heavyweights and won OOC. The problem is they weren't all that great in conference and are log jammed behind teams that don't appear to be that strong, and their last two games are against Creighton and Nova. If they lose both of those, they're 7-11, and only one team in the history of the NCAA Tournament has gotten in when being four games under 500. The big thing that most of those teams are lacking are wins away from home, so the tipping point will probably be the conference tournament. I'm thinking it'll be three teams. It could be as many as four, but it could also be as few as two. Again, recent history indicates that they do not reward home court heroes, and they do reward teams that played away from home OOC. The majority of the Big East did the former and not the latter. With Xavier not being at full strength, they may only get two teams if Georgetown doesn't pick up a few more wins and everyone else craps out early.
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FWIW (not much) I pretty much agree with you spot on about Xavier. I thought they were pretty much a lock after the Creighton win, even had the lost last night, lost to nova and lost in their first game of the Big East tournament, they would have slide in. But add the Steinbrook injury, which by the looks of it appears to be a season ending one, should they lose to Nova and in their 1st game, I think they could be looking at the NIT. Which I pesonally think sucks and is a little unfair to the rest of that X squad, but I kind of understand as well, if they're a bubble team based upon their entire resume, and they've lost arguably their 2nd best player for the season, they're not as good (on paper) as the other teams on the bubble. If they can win just 1 game, I think they'll be safe; don't know who they are projected to play in their first Big East tournament game.
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Originally Posted by xubrew
Alabama was 12-4 and got left out. The conference did have divisiosn, but they still had the best overall record.
The year before, Auburn was 10-6 and won the West, and was left out.
I can't overstate how important it is to athletic directors that you schedule teams with a pulse in the out of conference portion of the season. Fans love to look at top fifty wins and losses, but beating the 50th best team at home really isn't a good win. If you beat a bubble team at home, you haven' demonstrated that you're a tournament team. It's actually better to beat NIT teams on the road than bubble teams at home.
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The SEC hasn't got your memo. Throw aside Florida & UK, who generally play a very solid OOC schedule, and the other 12 teams have played something like 12 or 14 true road games in their OOC portion. They only won 3 of those, and one of those road wins was over Coastal Carolina (no they're not good this season). I put all of this over on the A-10 board, but can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but I'm pretty close with those numbers. The whole confernce after UK & Florida is a paper tiger; hopefully the committe recognizes that and doesn't reward more than 3 bids to teams out of the SEC.
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The SEC hasn't got your memo. Throw aside Florida & UK, who generally play a very solid OOC schedule, and the other 12 teams have played something like 12 or 14 true road games in their OOC portion. They only won 3 of those, and one of those road wins was over Coastal Carolina (no they're not good this season). I put all of this over on the A-10 board, but can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but I'm pretty close with those numbers. The whole confernce after UK & Florida is a paper tiger; hopefully the committe recognizes that and doesn't reward more than 3 bids to teams out of the SEC.
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And that is why most people who know what they are talking about have the SEC as a 2-3 bid league.
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Xavier's in. Might be First Four, but they are in. Frankly, a First Four is a win for them given the fan base, but could be interesting if the Flyers can actually pull off three more wins. If we win three more games, there's a decent chance we play Xavier in First Four. With Xavier 40 miles away, it gives the committee a fall back to critics who will complain about our home court.
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I think X is in already after the Creighton win, that commentators on tv all said that X was in after the Creighton win. Villanova, Creighton, and Xavier are all in IMO. I don't follow the BE closely enough to know what is going on with the other teams. Sure seems like Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, and St. John's all still have a shot at the dance, maybe not a good shot, but a shot nonetheless.
I couldn't tell what happened to Stainbrook last night, I saw the replay of his injury several times, and I still couldn't tell exactly what happened. He looked like he was in great pain on the court, but during the second half when he was sitting on the bench, he didn't look like he was in any pain, so just wait and see.
And I can't figure out Seton Hall, I've seen them twice now, and I like them, they look good to me. Their guard Fuquan Edwin looks like a potential first round NBA draft pick IMO. I can't figure out why Seton Hall is all the way down at around rpi #150, they look much better than that to me. Honestly, they look like they belong in the NCAA tournament IMO. I won't be surprised if they win the Big East tournament.
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Our best scenario is Marquette drops its last 2 games, X loses its final game... then Marquette beats X in the Big East Quarters. Marquette is not getting a bid at 18-15, but that's what they would be if they lose their last 2, beat X in the Big East QFs and lose in the Semis.
But it is quite possible that Xavier will beat Villanova at home, if not likely. If they do that, I think they move closer to the 8-9 seed line than the First Four.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode
Xavier's in. Might be First Four, but they are in. Frankly, a First Four is a win for them given the fan base, but could be interesting if the Flyers can actually pull off three more wins. If we win three more games, there's a decent chance we play Xavier in First Four. With Xavier 40 miles away, it gives the committee a fall back to critics who will complain about our home court.
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Xavier is not in at this point and I would refer you to XUBrew's post above concerning OOC scheduling and road records.
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But does the committee see the Big East as a BCS league or a "mid-major" league. If it's the former, they get the bid. If the latter, they get snubbed.
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Since the tv guys were all saying that X was in after the Creighton win, I am guessing that the committee is going to give the BE the BCS-type benefit of the doubt/bias/crap.
I don't know, maybe all the tv guys are wrong, maybe X might not make it this year again.
If X is 19-12(loses to Villanova and in the BE first round)their rpi will be #63 per rpiforecast. #63 shouldn't be getting into the big dance.
IMO, X has to get to at least 20 wins, so I am backtracking on my last post. But, even 20-11, #51, is pretty dicey. I bet they either have to beat Villanova or win one game in the BE tournament. And that won't be easy if they are without Stainbrook.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I think X is in already after the Creighton win, that commentators on tv all said that X was in after the Creighton win. Villanova, Creighton, and Xavier are all in IMO. I don't follow the BE closely enough to know what is going on with the other teams. Sure seems like Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, and St. John's all still have a shot at the dance, maybe not a good shot, but a shot nonetheless.
I couldn't tell what happened to Stainbrook last night, I saw the replay of his injury several times, and I still couldn't tell exactly what happened. He looked like he was in great pain on the court, but during the second half when he was sitting on the bench, he didn't look like he was in any pain, so just wait and see.
And I can't figure out Seton Hall, I've seen them twice now, and I like them, they look good to me. Their guard Fuquan Edwin looks like a potential first round NBA draft pick IMO. I can't figure out why Seton Hall is all the way down at around rpi #150, they look much better than that to me. Honestly, they look like they belong in the NCAA tournament IMO. I won't be surprised if they win the Big East tournament.
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I read that Stainbrook left the arena on crutches, couldn't put any weight on his leg. I would tend to agree that they would be in, if that injury didn't happen last night. If they should lose their last two, and he is out for the year, does the committee take a team that was just on the right side of the bubble but will be w/t a major component of their team? The situation is a bit unique from anything else I can recall. When Norleans Noel was hurt, UK still had a decent chunk of the season to play w/o him. Kenyon Martin was hurt in their conference tournament, and they were sitting on the 1 seed line at the time, kind of hard to knock a team in that situation all the way out. If X can win one more, I think they're safe. If they lose their next two, then it comes down to how the committe handles the injury. Do they worry more about getting the "best 68" or do they worry more about rewarding a team that had earned their way in on the court, but is w/o a major cog. Potentially tough question, and it would be awesome to sit in on the conversation that would generate in that room (or perhaps has already).
With all that said, I wouldn't put it past Semaj Christon to put that team on his back and just will them to victory at home over Nova. He's good enough to do that when his outside shots are falling.
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Medford, I backtracked, IMO, they need to win one more, or they are out. I was basing my opinion on what the tv commentators were all saying after the Creighton win. I didn't realize that 19-12 equates to rpi #63. And I guess if Stainbrook is out for the rest of the season, then that will give the committee even more justification, in addition to a potential 19-12 record, to keep them out.
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How sweet it would be if the A-10 got 6 bids, including UD, and the Big East got 3 bids, sans X!!!
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Since the tv guys were all saying that X was in after the Creighton win, I am guessing that the committee is going to give the BE the BCS-type benefit of the doubt/bias/crap.
I don't know, maybe all the tv guys are wrong
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Maybe the tv guys are Fox Sports 1 guys whose job it is to puff up the conference that they show on their network?
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
How sweet it would be if the A-10 got 6 bids, including UD, and the Big East got 3 bids, sans X!!!
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It might only be 2. None of: Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, and Xavier have a real strong case for inclusion right now IMO, just have to wait and see what happens over the next couple of weeks.
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Makes sense, that could be what is happening.
And FWIW, this mock draft has Seton Hall's Edwin #48 and X's Christon #19. McDermott is #11, Reddic for VCU is #56. IMO, Christon doesn't look like a first rounder to me. Don't get me wrong, he's a real nice player, but he needs to improve his outside shot. IMO, first rounders all have a pretty complete skill set, and I just think his outside shot isn't of first rounder quality right now, but, what do I know? I'm just some schmuck.
http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
And X is oversigned by 2, I hear that they are counting on Christon leaving and Justin Martin not coming back. IMO, it is a mistake to not bring back Martin, he's averaging 11 and 5 this year, he is their second leading scorer, they should bring him back for his final season of eligibility. So, anyway, it should be interesting to see what happens with all of this.
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Christon IMO has really improved his shooting(45% 3FGP and 49% FGP overall). I think he compares very favorably to Smart and is a better shooter(29% 3FGP and 42% FGP for Smart).
Christon has size for a PG, is athletic and a good defender. He can create for himself and others and finish plays at the rim.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
Christon IMO has really improved his shooting(45% 3FGP and 49% FGP overall). I think he compares very favorably to Smart and is a better shooter(29% 3FGP and 42% FGP for Smart).
Christon has size for a PG, is athletic and a good defender. He can create for himself and others and finish plays at the rim.
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Yeah, but he averages less than 1 made 3 pointer per game. He is very quick getting to the rim, but I just don't think that is going to fly so well in the NBA if your defender knows that he can sag off of you a bit because your jumper is a little weak.
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If you listen to the tv guys, fox sports 1, espn, cbs, nbc, etc.... the field would be about 100 teams large every season. I wouldn't put much weight in what they say one way or the other.
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Yeah, but he averages less than 1 made 3 pointer per game.
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which means he doesn't force them, which is a huge plus. He can make them if uncontested but doesn't force bad ones. In addition, Christon is very good from 17 feet and in and has really nice form on his shot. As long as he is willing to work he will be a good perimeter shooter in due time.
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It's guys like Christon that has me scratching my head with the NBA. Why draft an incomplete player like that and sign him, pay him a big salary and force him into the rotation? Might not be exactly the same but Austin Rivers who I am thinking of. Christon could use another year (or 2 in college). I would think there are more guys like BRob or CJ in the D league that have the same skills at a lower cost.
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I don't think X is in yet. I think they need to beat Nova at home or else do something really good in the NBE tournament.
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Brob is a poor defender, that has not changed from his UD days. CJ has little game off the bounce. Christon is a more complete player than either. He is a solid defender and is great off the bounce. He has excellent form on his jumper and can obviously make them given time and distance (as shown by 45% 3GP).
Increasing the range of a players jump shot is one of the easiest things for a player to do if they have good form, its one of the reason IMO Kyle Davis could be a good perimeter shooter before he leaves UD. All about how hard the player wants to work.
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And I can't figure out Seton Hall, I've seen them twice now, and I like them, they look good to me. Their guard Fuquan Edwin looks like a potential first round NBA draft pick IMO. I can't figure out why Seton Hall is all the way down at around rpi #150, they look much better than that to me. Honestly, they look like they belong in the NCAA tournament IMO. I won't be surprised if they win the Big East tournament.
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The Hall almost beat Creighton last week. They very well could have won that game. They also lost some some real tight games.
They also had some key injuries earlier in the year. Big man Gene Teague missed a number of games. Their other big man, I can't remember his name, also missed some playing time due to injury. Coach Willard also disciplined some players by keeping them out of a few games. I agree with you, they are not that bad of a club.
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http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03...n-reveals.html
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That is like the car dealer showing the "invoice" - to convince you that you are getting a GREAT deal. The selction is still subjective, and all you need is 8 votes... that our current congress showed are pretty easy to buy ... so why would it be different in this closed door room?
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Leading scorer Stainbrook went down in the Seton Hall game; looks like he blew out his knee. It buckled backwards. Right now they too are a bubble team and losing to Seton Hall by 12 at halftime. Would be their 3rd bad loss should the score hold up.
Without Stainbrook their chances in the BE tournament just went south
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I wouldn't count X out just yet; I remember thinking the same thing when David West went down that one year and they didn't miss a beat. The rest of the team just picked up the slack. I don't like X at all, don't get me wrong; but I hate to see any kid get hurt, no matter who it is. Stainbrook's got game; I hope he recovers fully since I think he's staring at a pro career.
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Hot off the press, Stainbrook, sprained MCL in left knee, day to day. not a season ender.
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Hot off the press, Stainbrook, sprained MCL in left knee, day to day. not a season ender.
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I think it is important for X to say that he could be back for tournament games. We all know how the loss of an important player turns off the selection committee.
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
Hot off the press, Stainbrook, sprained MCL in left knee, day to day. not a season ender.
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I know where it came from. Boeheim did it a few years back until after they got seeded in the tourney then came the truth.
There is no upside to declaring him out and I am not buying it.
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I know where it came from. Boeheim did it a few years back until after they got seeded in the tourney then came the truth.
There is no upside to declaring him out and I am not buying it.
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If he doesn't play in the conference tournament, the committee won't either.
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I know where it came from. Boeheim did it a few years back until after they got seeded in the tourney then came the truth.
There is no upside to declaring him out and I am not buying it.
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If he is able to come back this year great but that was one heck of a fall and scream from the big man. An EMT person who was at the game said that Stainbrook failed the mcl and acl tests right there on the floor indicating it was very serious. (Posted on Holyland of hoops.)
For those who questioned my post let me make it clear that I have never since being a member of UDPride ever taken pleasure in anyone on anyteam ever suffering an injury; in fact I will go one step further, never since being a member have I read of any Prider taking pleasure in anothers injury. Its just unthinkable by any and all standards. I and other priders have much higher standards than that. Guess I was stunned that someone reading my post would take that out of the entire post where I did take heart in X losing to Seton Hall. First was reporting what happened then the delight in X losing especially since we may be fighting for an at large invite.
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Even if it was a sprain of the MCL it is still most likely a several week deal, of course it depends on the degree of sprain, but the kid was in alot of pain and couldn't put any weight on his leg when he left the arena.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
which means he doesn't force them, which is a huge plus. He can make them if uncontested but doesn't force bad ones. In addition, Christon is very good from 17 feet and in and has really nice form on his shot. As long as he is willing to work he will be a good perimeter shooter in due time.
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Yes, he has nice form, and he can make the 3 if uncontested, but uncontested shots in the NBA are much more rare vs. college, correct?
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Playoffs, yes. Regular season, not so much
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I didn't check the box score, but it sure seemed like Christon missed several open jumpers and free throws too last night. He did not look like a first rounder last night IMO.
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