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Old 06-29-2022, 10:25 PM
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Hypothetical question about scholarship limits and NIL

Priders: I have a question that I would like the more analytical thinkers to address for me. What if a D-1 team has maxed out its availability of scholarships, but a stud 4 or 5-star expresses interest in joining this team? Can a coach tell the stud recruit to join the team and take a $1M NIL that is sure to come? I don't think there would be anything that could preclude a "walk-on" or non-scholarship player from taking a lucrative NIL that would dwarf the value of a scholarship. Inquiring minds want to know!
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Old 06-30-2022, 01:32 AM
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Priders: I have a question that I would like the more analytical thinkers to address for me. What if a D-1 team has maxed out its availability of scholarships, but a stud 4 or 5-star expresses interest in joining this team? Can a coach tell the stud recruit to join the team and take a $1M NIL that is sure to come? I don't think there would be anything that could preclude a "walk-on" or non-scholarship player from taking a lucrative NIL that would dwarf the value of a scholarship. Inquiring minds want to know!
I've seen some stuff from I believe Ohio State's AD and others about dumping the scholarship cap all together
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Old 06-30-2022, 09:11 AM
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I've seen some stuff from I believe Ohio State's AD and others about dumping the scholarship cap all together
Unbelievable, but believable. It would be just one more step to favor money and the big schools.
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Old 06-30-2022, 10:35 AM
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I've seen some stuff from I believe Ohio State's AD and others about dumping the scholarship cap all together
The poster is saying, what is stopping this from happening right now today? You call the player a walk-on and use the NIL deal to pay their way. No need for a scholly slot.
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Old 06-30-2022, 11:28 AM
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I believe that the player in this situation would still count against the scholarship total as the player would be considered recruitable. Iím fuzzy on the exact language, but itís something along these lines.

The idea of eliminating scholarships is interesting but could be a Title IX nightmare. Gender equity in sports is mandated. If revenue generating sports were scholarship free, the total number of scholarships would be hypothetically be reduced by that number. In turn, women could by adversely impacted by their reduction of non revenue sports scholarships. There is also the possibility that the saved money would allow schools to satisfy Title IX by meeting all demand. This would be tougher on smaller budget athletic departments and specifically schools without revenue generating but time football. There could be unintended outcomes that result in an improvement for the non revenue generating sports that are not securing significant NIL money.

Itís also possible that Title IX could be implicated by the iniquities in NIL money. If schools are involved in establishing funds, it could get troublesome.
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Old 06-30-2022, 11:40 AM
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Gender equity in sports is mandated.
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For now. Extra-constitutional federal forays are on the chopping block...
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo View Post
The poster is saying, what is stopping this from happening right now today? You call the player a walk-on and use the NIL deal to pay their way. No need for a scholly slot.
I realize that but I'm saying it could be a moot point soon
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer View Post
I believe that the player in this situation would still count against the scholarship total as the player would be considered recruitable. Iím fuzzy on the exact language, but itís something along these lines.

The idea of eliminating scholarships is interesting but could be a Title IX nightmare. Gender equity in sports is mandated. If revenue generating sports were scholarship free, the total number of scholarships would be hypothetically be reduced by that number. In turn, women could by adversely impacted by their reduction of non revenue sports scholarships. There is also the possibility that the saved money would allow schools to satisfy Title IX by meeting all demand. This would be tougher on smaller budget athletic departments and specifically schools without revenue generating but time football. There could be unintended outcomes that result in an improvement for the non revenue generating sports that are not securing significant NIL money.

Itís also possible that Title IX could be implicated by the iniquities in NIL money. If schools are involved in establishing funds, it could get troublesome.
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That's why there's talk of taking certain sports like football outside the university system
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Old 06-30-2022, 11:50 AM
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There's some rule that you can't use workarounds on recruitable athletes to get past scholarship limits.

Miami or someone in the 80s was putting football players on track scholarships so they cracked down on that

One of Jim Baron's kids that transferred from Virginia was technically a walk on but counted towards the 13 limit

McDermott at Creighton gave up his scholarship his last year but didn't count towards the 13 so I'm not sure why the red line is for the NCAA
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OSU Flyer, if they take it out of the University system, it would need to be more than an armís length from the schools. Iím a fan of elite club sports. I think itís a viable option. Options exist for baseball. Options exist to a limited extent for basketball and are rapidly developing. Football is tougher. Maybe football could work with NFL teams having development club teams. If needed, teams could co-own development teams.
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I believe if you're a recruitable athlete and are given, for example, an academic scholarship, you still count against the limit, but if you pay your own way you don't. I'm not sure what would stop an athlete from "paying his own way," thus not counting against the scholarship limit, and then getting an NIL. The only thing that could stop it is if walk-ons could not get NIL's.
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I think the "recruitable athlete" rule deals with this situation directly but also remember that kids want to play. If you have 15 5 stars on your team, 7 of them aren't going to get much time, I think this is the more practical reason this won't become reality.
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This is moot anyways the NCAA is done
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This is moot anyways the NCAA is done
I hope you are right. They own and produce nothing of value themselves, rather they license and profit off of other people's talents, with the talent having no power to bargain or otherwise have a say in the matter.
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I hope you are right. They own and produce nothing of value themselves, rather they license and profit off of other people's talents, with the talent having no power to bargain or otherwise have a say in the matter.
There's enough AD's like Ohio State's hinting about breaking off.

Big 10 and the SEC become the two super conferences and break off football
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