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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
A bunch of people on here have been dogging Kostas about how he has no chance at all to get drafted. The ESPN and nbadraftroom.com mocks have proven all of those people to be wrong.

He might not get drafted, but there is at least a possible, quantifiable chance that he does get drafted, according to some draft experts.

And most/all of those people that are dogging him are just p*ssed that he left after only 1 year. It's just sour grapes.
Neither those dogging him nor ESPN and nbadraftroom.com have proven a thing. Unless the draft has occurred and the results are in.

You might want to wait and play MMQB before declaring victory on behalf of ESPN et al.
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Not so, if his name wasn't Kostas would he even got a sniff, doubt it.
I dunno Avid. If his name was LaBron Antetokounmpo with the same assets, there would be some interest as well.
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Kosta may well get drafted, or not. Whether he turns from"'Mr. Potential" to
"Mr. Results" is an open question. Given more maturity and intensive effort by he and his coaches, he may well make the grade. Will be interesting to see how this turns out over time.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer View Post
Not so, if his name wasn't Kostas would he even got a sniff, doubt it.
Agreed, but it ain't the first name getting the attention. If his name is Kostas Jones the NBA wouldn't even know of him.
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Is it because of his last name? It's part of it.
Hank Aaron and I combined to hit over 750 major league home runs. He had more, but I was part of it.
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Totally different subject....lol
My point, though, is that GM's of professional sports teams do lots of dumb things. It doesn't prove they know what they're doing just because they have a title and a salary.
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Reason I said Kostas and not his last name is I didn't know how to spell it
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
A bunch of people on here have been dogging Kostas about how he has no chance at all to get drafted. The ESPN and nbadraftroom.com mocks have proven all of those people to be wrong.

He might not get drafted, but there is at least a possible, quantifiable chance that he does get drafted, according to some draft experts.

And most/all of those people that are dogging him are just p*ssed that he left after only 1 year. It's just sour grapes.
I for one will always be thrilled the day any Flyer in any sport gets drafted into professional sports. However, I want it to be for how the player represented UD during their time as a student-athlete. Thus Kostas falls short. Iím sure heís a likeable young man. But he also showed an embarrassing amount of immaturity during his time on the court at UD. And, apparently even more immaturity in his effort to attend class and do whatís required to maintain the PRIVLEDGE of being a Flyer. So I have two comments.

1. How many of these authors of pre-draft articles have ever seen Kostas play or looked into anything he did at UD or called up CAG and asked about his talents?

2. How many of you will be proud of the PR for UD if Kostas continues his embarrassing antics on the court as a pro player every time he fouls and gets called for it? For this reason alone I hope he starts in Europe.

I strongly believe college students have the right to fail. For me the title of ďstudentĒ is all about figuring life out including the hard lesson of failing. I hope the two years Kostas spent at UD has taught him some life lessons. Unfortunately his ACTIONS, including those that resulted in him leaving UD (academic requirements) makes it hard for me to buy into he will be a good embassador for UD. I hope he proves me wrong for the benefit of all parties.

Itís a shame Kostas didnít stay at UD one more year. I believe it would have made a world of difference for him as a young man 1) preparing to face what the world will throw at him. 2) as a basketball player preparing for a pro career. 3) As an embassador for UD. 4) solidifying true life-Long friendships with his UD teammates. And finally 5) It would have helped UDs program. And yes, the programs benefit is really fifth on my list.
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Hank Aaron and I combined to hit over 750 major league home runs. He had more, but I was part of it.
His last name isn't all of it. Say what you will, but he has a unique combination of size and athleticism. If he was 6'3" he would not be there.

Funny how people on this board were raving about his potential over the next few years when he was with our team. Now that he's gone, there is no more potential and the NBA is wasting their time and money as a favor to one of their players.

Sure. Let's go with that.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
2. How many of you will be proud of the PR for UD if Kostas continues his embarrassing antics on the court as a pro player every time he fouls and gets called for it?
You ever see James Harden get called for a foul? You'd think someone just told him he has 7 arms. It's a mind-blowing experience for him.

Wishing Kostas stays out of the NBA because of how he responded to some of his fouls is pretty petty.
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I for one will always be thrilled the day any Flyer in any sport gets drafted into professional sports. However, I want it to be for how the player represented UD during their time as a student-athlete. Thus Kostas falls short. I’m sure he’s a likeable young man. But he also showed an embarrassing amount of immaturity during his time on the court at UD. And, apparently even more immaturity in his effort to attend class and do what’s required to maintain the PRIVLEDGE of being a Flyer. So I have two comments.

1. How many of these authors of pre-draft articles have ever seen Kostas play or looked into anything he did at UD or called up CAG and asked about his talents?

2. How many of you will be proud of the PR for UD if Kostas continues his embarrassing antics on the court as a pro player every time he fouls and gets called for it? For this reason alone I hope he starts in Europe.

I strongly believe college students have the right to fail. For me the title of “student” is all about figuring life out including the hard lesson of failing. I hope the two years Kostas spent at UD has taught him some life lessons. Unfortunately his ACTIONS, including those that resulted in him leaving UD (academic requirements) makes it hard for me to buy into he will be a good embassador for UD. I hope he proves me wrong for the benefit of all parties.

It’s a shame Kostas didn’t stay at UD one more year. I believe it would have made a world of difference for him as a young man 1) preparing to face what the world will throw at him. 2) as a basketball player preparing for a pro career. 3) As an embassador for UD. 4) solidifying true life-Long friendships with his UD teammates. And finally 5) It would have helped UDs program. And yes, the programs benefit is really fifth on my list.
I would be proud if "any player" every time he fouls actually gets "called for it", in that league they call the NBA, officiated by several refs who have more at stake financially than just collecting their paychecks if you know where I'm going with this...

Also, probably easier to point out the few NBA players that don't cause antics every time they commit a foul than the ones that do.

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My point, though, is that GM's of professional sports teams do lots of dumb things. It doesn't prove they know what they're doing just because they have a title and a salary.
No but who wants to be "that" guy that missed out on potential greatness especially seeing that most 2nd round picks don't make it anyways and that there is ZERO risk at even signing the kid as a FA? You cannot teach DNA, you can't teach 6'10/11", you can't teach length,you can't teach leaping ability, etc. You can teach structure, you can teach footwork, you can put on weight/strength/conditioning to a player, you can coach to a player's skill set, you can also lay it on the line about work-ethic and attitude.

We all talk about the lack of work-ethic and terrible attitude of Kostas but the kid went thru some real tough issues even leading into early this season. You think every 19-20 year old matures the same way and grows up the same way? What was very encouraging is the coaching and structure of AG and staff that Kostas DID adapt and buy into the last 10 plus games or so. He simply bought in.

Fact of the matter is that if you watched any tape on Giannis and or even watched the 60 minutes feature you saw EXACTLY the same kid in that video that we saw at UD. A long and lean player who dribbled up to his eyebrow, a player who got the ball stolen from him, a player that raced back down court to make a spectacular block on the fast-break attempt. Kostas had all of that happen several times this past season..
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1. How many of these authors of pre-draft articles have ever seen Kostas play or looked into anything he did at UD or called up CAG and asked about his talents?
Probably none but most of the respected ones, ESPN etc., talk to GM's around the NBA and that's what matters more when it comes to whether or not there is a chance for him to get drafted.
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First results from the combine are the measurables (height, weight, wingspan, etc). Link to results:

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-...onYear=2018-19

Nothing here sets him apart from some of the other guys. He needs to do well on the athletic testing to go with the size.
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His last name isn't all of it. Say what you will, but he has a unique combination of size and athleticism. If he was 6'3" he would not be there.
Yeah, 6'9" helps, but there are a LOT of 6'9" guys. How many?

Well in the current NBA there are:
20 guys 7' or taller
12 guys 6'11"
25 guys 6'10"
23 guys 6'9"

So, he would be about 1 out of 80 guys at his height, or said differently almost 3 per team across the NBA.

There were 822 guys 6'9" or taller in the college ranks as of a couple years ago. That's just D1.

Not all of them have his ability to score 5 points per game at the A10 level.

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Funny how people on this board were raving about his potential over the next few years when he was with our team. Now that he's gone, there is no more potential and the NBA is wasting their time and money as a favor to one of their players.
You do know that Kostas would not be competing against NBA players every night while playing for the Flyers, correct? Let's call the A10 "slightly" less competitive than the NBA. Potential in the A10 <> potential in the NBA.

Just because my daughter has the potential to get a college soccer scholarship, do you really think that means I EXPECT her to captain the women's national team someday??
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Wishing Kostas stays out of the NBA because of how he responded to some of his fouls is pretty petty.
I agree. Not wishing he doesnít make the NBA. Only hoping he starts in Europe if he hasnít matured enough to do himself and UD proud. He didnít always show maturity in the one year he played in Dayton.
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I agree. Not wishing he doesnít make the NBA. Only hoping he starts in Europe if he hasnít matured enough to do himself and UD proud. He didnít always show maturity in the one year he played in Dayton.
My guess is that a large number of kids drafted each year are immature still. I'd even venture to say that many that have established themselves in the NBA are still very immature.
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First results from the combine are the measurables (height, weight, wingspan, etc). Link to results:

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-...onYear=2018-19

Nothing here sets him apart from some of the other guys. He needs to do well on the athletic testing to go with the size.
One guy on that list has 3 percent body fat. Jeepers! No pizza runs in college for that guy?
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Yeah, 6'9" helps, but there are a LOT of 6'9" guys. How many?
There were 822 guys 6'9" or taller in the college ranks as of a couple years ago. That's just D1.
If you are going to be fair about it, then you need to count Kostas as 6'10" at least. The stats you are quoting are off the college rosters and those heights are with shoes (and sometimes exaggerated). The 6'9" for Kostas is a combine measurement without shoes. So there are a lot fewer college players at his height. And from that group there are very few that can move like him. The ones that can are 1st round picks if they have average skills to go with it. His skills are...not average.

You (and some of the others) can hate on him and tell all of us about how terrible he is and how he will never amount to anything. That's fine. The rest of us hope an NBA team sees potential and can help him reach it.

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Just because my daughter has the potential to get a college soccer scholarship, do you really think that means I EXPECT her to captain the women's national team someday??
Not sure why you put an emphasis on "expect". I don't think any of us actually expect anything. We are hopeful. And we understand why an NBA team might want to take a look. And the post by THirt seems to back that up. That may end up being in the G-League...but at the very least teams want to take a look at him.

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You (and some of the others) can hate on him and tell all of us about how terrible he is and how he will never amount to anything. That's fine. The rest of us hope an NBA team sees potential and can help him reach it.


Not sure why you put an emphasis on "expect". I don't think any of us actually expect anything. We are hopeful. And we understand why an NBA team might want to take a look. And the post by THirt seems to back that up. That may end up being in the G-League...but at the very least teams want to take a look at him.
Look, you can misconstrue all you want. It's quite simple:

1. "hope" and "potential" at the A10 level is different from "hope" and "potential" at the NBA level. Many had great hopes for the A10 level, with outside hope for the NBA level. That doesn't make us haters it makes us realistic.

2. I don't think anyone considers it a 0% chance, we just watched him play and see major holes in his game, so we think it's unlikely because making it in the NBA is REALLY hard and he has not shown great work ethic yet. Yet.
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Billionaire sports team owners didn't get their by staffing their businesses with engineers, accountants, truck drivers and secretaries who have great 'potential'. They got their by hiring people who overachieve without having to be kicked in the ass daily.

Kostas, from royal reports, needs to be kicked in the ass hourly. The investment in him will be greater than the typical project, which won't help his draft status. His only asset is his brother. If I'm a billionaire NBA owner, I have to ask myself - like I would any other hire - 'how much time and money do I invest in a bench warmer and will it pay off?'

Can Kostas walk into any NBA camp and 'hit the ground running' with his effort, attitude, hustle and work ethic? Or will he bring trainers and coaches to a screeching halt with his whining and entitled attitude?

IMRO, he's worth a $35,000 G-league roster spot as a free agent. From there I simple tell him 'your future lies in your hands...and head.'
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Another key element is AG as a reference. Having coached/networked in the league, no doubt he's getting calls about KA, his work ethic, his attitude, etc. And AG will shoot straight.
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Here i speculate: someone correct me, please, if the speculation is incorrect.

Kostas must have been about to flunk out of school and he was telling his family. I canít imagine why else mom and brother would be so supportive. On this blog, it was reported that he was seen, not in school, but instead eating dinner with his mom and brother at a restaurant out of state. He was only weeks away from finishing out the year and taking exams. He chose to leave without finishing the year. He must have come clean with the news to his family in advance. He must have felt that he had no other options. The plan must be for him to play in Europe and the submission to the NBA draft and subsequent invitation to the NBA combine were just pleasant surprises to Kostas and his family.
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Billionaire sports team owners didn't get their by staffing their businesses with engineers, accountants, truck drivers and secretaries who have great 'potential'. They got their by hiring people who overachieve without having to be kicked in the ass daily.
Not trying to be an a-hole (it just happens), but this is flat out wrong. What you say about accountants, truck drivers, etc is true, but that doesn't apply to players. Players are drafted on potential all the time (in every league). Just look at this player from last season:

- Played one year of college basketball
- Could not crack the starting lineup - played 17 minutes a game
- Scored 10 ppg and pulled down 6 rebounds per game
- He did this playing in a conference with a lower RPI than the A10
- He was drafted in the top 10

Does any of that sound like a top 10 pick? Of course not, but a team saw enough potential in him to make the pick. That player was Zach Collins - who was playing very well at the end of the year. So not saying Kostas is a top 10 guy. He's worth a late 2nd at best. But to compare how a team hires office staff with how they pick players is asinine - in my peasant opinion.

Heck - the Eagles used a late round pick this year on a rugby player. Never played football in his life. You can't tell me that's not based solely on potential. And you can't tell me they don't know how to pick players. I'm sure the Eagles don't hire accountants without experience or a degree in accounting.

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IMRO, he's worth a $35,000 G-league roster spot as a free agent. From there I simple tell him 'your future lies in your hands...and head.'
This I agree with 100%. Most of this argument is that a few people around here seem to think Kostas has no business being at the combine. They think it is his last name alone that got him the invite. I'm just saying that isn't true. His name certainly helps him (more than a little). But teams see an incredible athlete they think they can make into a basketball player. I wouldn't be shocked if a team took him late to ensure he was in their G-League system to develop. That alone means he has earned a spot at the combine - not that it was a favor to his brother.

And I have the same concern you do. If Kostas approaches his NBA career the way he approached his NCAA career - then he won't have an NBA career. His work ethic needs to improve - greatly.
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Every team reaches out now and then based on potential but no roster is full of 'potential' NBA players...I'm not arguing that and agree with your premise. But there's more to the story.

Kostas is not NBA material for 2018-19. Not even close. He is in competition with a lot of 6'10" players with proven abilities and others with 'potential'.

Given 1 roster spot and the choice of a young, hard working 6'10" player and a young, entitled underachieving 6'10" player, he's going to lose 99% of the time. And the 1% that's outstanding is 100% a function of his last name.

I'd love to see him in the NBA someday...but I wouldn't spend a nickel on him until he spends a little time on himself.
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Interview with Kostas at the combine:

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It’s funny he mentions Kevin Garnett. That’s the player I too associate Kostas with in that he’s got to do a ton of hard work to build himself into a Garnett-type player. They are both 6’11”. But Kostas is 190. Garnett was 253. The only two things they have in common is if you hung their skeletons next to each other, they both are probably about 15 pounds of bones. (Skeletons are 10-15 pounds. Seems like it should be more, but it’s not.)

When I lived in Dallas, I had season tickets to the Mavs that were 5 rows up from the court. I saw Kevin Garnett and Dick Nowinski play many times. I saw the NBA game up close and Kostas will get mowed over if he ever gets into a game next year. I was watching 76ers vs Celtics a couple weeks ago on tv and there is no way Kostas would stop any of those players.

I hope he commits to and follows thru with what it takes to become an NBA player. It won’t be easy. It won’t be quick. But he does have potential. He isn’t going to put on 40-60 pounds of muscle in a year. If he can bulk up by 20 pounds in the next 12 months, that would change his potential 10-fold. I would be interested to know how much he added in the two years at UD. If anyone knows that, please post.
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The Dayton website has removed Kostasí 2017-18 profile but I dug it up from the depths of the web. His first year he is listed as 190. Last year he was listed as 197. I doubt he put on any bulk during the season last year. So in his two years on campus, he added 7 pounds. Free weight training. Free trainers. Free nutritional guidance. Teammates working on the same goals to build bulk and get stronger and to push each other to work hard. Free access to facilities and he only adds 7 pounds in approximately two years.

This is my point about Kostas. He showed nothing at UD in 2 years that makes me think he is ready for a pro career. I would never dream of speaking for King Rollo, but I think we are on the same page here. Itís whatís currently between his ears that will hold Kostas back. If he can mature in his attitude, actions and commitment, he has the potential to make it. But nothing in his two years at Dayton leads me to buy into the fact he will do that. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Billionaire sports team owners didn't get their by staffing their businesses with engineers, accountants, truck drivers and secretaries who have great 'potential'. They got their by hiring people who overachieve without having to be kicked in the ass daily.

Kostas, from royal reports, needs to be kicked in the ass hourly. The investment in him will be greater than the typical project, which won't help his draft status. His only asset is his brother. If I'm a billionaire NBA owner, I have to ask myself - like I would any other hire - 'how much time and money do I invest in a bench warmer and will it pay off?'

Can Kostas walk into any NBA camp and 'hit the ground running' with his effort, attitude, hustle and work ethic? Or will he bring trainers and coaches to a screeching halt with his whining and entitled attitude?

IMRO, he's worth a $35,000 G-league roster spot as a free agent. From there I simple tell him 'your future lies in your hands...and head.'
Just a terrible comparison and absolute ignorant comment. Engineers, accountants, truck drivers and secretaries didn't just show up on the radar one day knowing full well how to do their jobs. Neither did billionaire owners. They learned their craft thru training, practice, experience and learning that particular industry. Some came directly from HS, others thru trade schools and plenty from college who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground the minute they hit the big stage.

Being 22 years old, pulling all nighters and hitting bars all night long while still at a college doesn't translate just a few months later into a thoughtful, intelligent and skilled performer at the corporate level.

Why is an organization run any different than a sports franchise? Every facet of an organization/corporation has leadership and those people are VP's, managers, etc. who are responsible for making sure those under them that don't achieve, show potential, or even overachieve , at times, aren't long for the job.

Trust me, fine sir, there are plenty of NFL/NBA/MLB young studs getting looks that wouldn't qualify to lay down orange barrels on the roadway at 18, 22, or even 30 if it wasn't for their athletic prowess. They wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if not for handler shaking them or calling them.

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Just a terrible comparison and absolute ignorant comment. Engineers, accountants, truck drivers and secretaries didn't just show up on the radar one day knowing full well how to do their jobs. Neither did billionaire owners. They learned their craft thru training, practice, experience and learning that particular industry. Some came directly from HS, others thru trade schools and plenty from college who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground the minute they hit the big stage.

Being 22 years old, pulling all nighters and hitting bars all night long while still at a college doesn't translate just a few months later into a thoughtful, intelligent and skilled performer at the corporate level.

Why is an organization run any different than a sports franchise? Every facet of an organization/corporation has leadership and those people are VP's, managers, etc. who are responsible for making sure those under them that don't achieve, show potential, or even overachieve , at times, aren't long for the job.

Trust me, fine sir, there are plenty of NFL/NBA/MLB young studs getting looks that wouldn't qualify to lay down orange barrels on the roadway at 18, 22, or even 30 if it wasn't for their athletic prowess. They wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if not for handler shaking them or calling them.
Did you call me 'ignorant' before or after you typed the rest of your rant? Or do you call 2 years of college basketball...the NBA's Minor League...comparable to Accounting 415 class?

Kostas can't hit the ground running at any NBA camp...nor can he hit its ground walking. Crawling is a possibility. Which I'm sure you understand...or at least can relate to...
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Kostas is not NBA material for 2018-19. Not even close. He is in competition with a lot of 6'10" players with proven abilities and others with 'potential'.
Agreed. In the past that made you undraftable. The rules have changed such that a team can take a guy based on potential and stash him for a couple of years while he grows (mentally and physically).
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With really no more promise than Devin Searcy, Kostas has the name and the pedigree to make scouts look twice and think about what's possible. All things being equal Kostas would have no more chance at an NBA camp than Devin. But that is not the case.

I wouldn't put money on it either way. It will be interesting. I could see the Mavericks or Sacramento taking a chance in the second round because they have a history of making some of the worst picks in the league.
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Interesting reading everyone's view on this topic. Obviously some of us are butt hurt by what Kostas did while at UD. He obviously wasted his two years there. That first year should have shown him what was to be expected. He obviously paid little or no attention. He probably listen too much to his posse (am I allowed to say that?) He could have improved significantly during his time at UD and instead improved marginally.

In the end, I would imagine he will get drafted. There will be at least one team willing to roll the dice trying to catch lightening in a bottle. I personally, selfishly, want him to get drafted. He will always be associated with UD. Unless he breaks the law, that wouldn't be a bad thing. It would be nice to have a player from UD getting some mention if only allowing us to say he played at UD and is an NBA player while we are recruiting.
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Kostas is in a unique position. Most players his age don't have the resources that his family has. Assuming his brother is sharing the wealth - and I have no reason to believe that he is not - then Kostas has what is sometimes called F.U. money. That resource will allow him to access whatever he needs to further himself in whatever career he desires. Although he had access to many of the same athletic advantages here at UD, academics (at least maybe a little) and a NCAA limit on coaching hours were somewhat restrictive.

Kostas' time here at UD did allow glimpses of his potential. NBA scouts saw that. They also saw his limitations. I don't begrudge his decision to leave UD for other opportunities. The only criticism I have - and Grant referenced that obliquely by expressing his surprise - was the decision to leave in the middle of the semester. I believe that will negatively affect our APR. I would have preferred that he finish out the academic year.

I believe Kostas biggest challenge is himself. He has yet to prove he has the desire and drive needed to excel. That being said, his brother made huge strides in a relatively short time frame. Perhaps Kostas will as well.
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I really like Kostas and wish him well. I think his basketball saga is going to play out over many years and I will be following him and actually rooting for him.

But, his eyes were on a greater prize and it was evident from time-to-time in his season with us. Here is the proof:

Here at the NBA Draft Combine, Kostas Antetokounmpo says he ďhad it in my mindĒ at the beginning of the 2017-18 season to enter the draft.

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Most of us would like to see some four and five star recruits, but Kostas is just a taste of what you go through with guys with that skill set.
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are developed. I am not sure how much of it rubbed off on the young man. But as his life goes on he may one day reflect on what he learned in Dayton other than basketball. I hope he experiences some humility and maturation in the years ahead. That might render him a better version of himself.
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Most of us would like to see some four and five star recruits, but Kostas is just a taste of what you go through with guys with that skill set.
I think no one would begrudge an NBA type talent leaving for the NBA. If De'Aaron Fox was at UD and declared for the draft, we would all say "yeah I get that, makes sense, smart move."

It's when a guy makes a dumb decision that many of us speak up and voice displeasure. Another year of play in college (and his first ever year of really hard work) could have helped UD and helped him.

He could have played in the G league at any time based just on the name on his jersey.
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Most of us would like to see some four and five star recruits, but Kostas is just a taste of what you go through with guys with that skill set.
Put me firmly in the camp that his 4-star rating out of HS was at least 2-stars too high. And we all know why.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
I really like Kostas and wish him well. I think his basketball saga is going to play out over many years and I will be following him and actually rooting for him.

But, his eyes were on a greater prize and it was evident from time-to-time in his season with us. Here is the proof:

Here at the NBA Draft Combine, Kostas Antetokounmpo says he “had it in my mind” at the beginning of the 2017-18 season to enter the draft.

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We battled Florida to get him and we lost. We got him.
Don't disagree with you but there's lots of guys with even less of a skull-set/size/length than Kostas who have that goal. Not sure that really had anything to do with him getting his regular two fouls per game his first couple minutes he entered a game almost the entire 1st half of the season. That's simply a kid that hadn't played a college game ever, sat out around a 1.5 years, and was not ready for the speed/strength of the game.

The rest is just maturity which deals with him sitting and not getting frustrated which can affect the rest of his game......Not doing what a coaching staff tells you do do doesn't always mean he's arrogant, selfish with eyes on a bigger prize, etc. It means he needs to grow up mentally and physically and trust those around him. He simply was not ready early on.......Last third of the season or so we did see a different player.

This has nothing to do with him being ready to play in the NBA because he simply is not but that is not what the NBA is about.....As you, myself, and plenty of others have mentioned, it's about getting a kid in a system, working with him 24/7, and the potential.

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So your telling me the likes of Brian Roberts, Chris Wright, Chris Johnson, Sibert, Scoochie and Cooke never got drafted and a guy who barely saw the floor is going to?
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I was on Sports Illustrated's website, and saw they did a post-combine mock draft. It has Kostas going 57th(OKC).

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/05/21/20...nte-divincenzo

Regardless if he is drafted or not, this has at least been something to keep me entertained during the off season.
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