AG

[CoffeeCan]

Ibi is a great example. He was not getting minutes at Michigan (a far better program than UD) and landed here and excelled.

And we see players like Cohill do the same thing only downward from us.

As players transfer out, we need to get transfers in that are of high cailber. I keep hearing about playing at UD Arena, the fans, the resources, Obi in the NBA, Grant having NBA experience but coaching at his alma mater... so where are the transfers? We have an open scholly even before any other transfers out...

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I would guess a combination of a few things. He is definitely playing against weaker competition in the Horizon, but he is also The Guy there. At UD he was never expected to be the main scorer.

As someone who personally knows individuals who worked with him in HS, "The Guy" is an astute observation. DC has always had skills, but in HS he was a prolific scorer and "The Guy" on a team that played inferior talent night in and night out. This went to his head in a big way. He could not make the mental adjustment to a role player at UD. He grew up some at UD and became "The Guy" at YSU.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan As players transfer out, we need to get transfers in that are of high cailber. I keep hearing about playing at UD Arena, the fans, the resources, Obi in the NBA, Grant having NBA experience but coaching at his alma mater... so where are the transfers? We have an open scholly even before any other transfers out...

I fear none of the things you listed matter anymore for most transfers. It is all about the $$$$. How much and how prepared is Dayton to pay for quality transfers?

I read on this site (sorry I forget who posted it but thank you) that former Wright State players Grant Basile is getting $150K in NIL @ VA Tech and Holden $80K @ OSU.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan I fear none of the things you listed matter anymore for most transfers. It is all about the $$$$. How much and how prepared is Dayton to pay for quality transfers? I read on this site (sorry I forget who posted it but thank you) that former Wright State players Grant Basile is getting $150K in NIL @ VA Tech and Holden $80K @ OSU.

So we lose players because they cant get the playing time, but cannot get players because of NIL?

Something does not make sense.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan So we lose players because they cant get the playing time, but cannot get players because of NIL? Something does not make sense.

I did not say we can not get players because of NIL. I simply asked how prepared and how much is Dayton prepared to pay?

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan I did not say we can not get players because of NIL. I simply asked how prepared and how much is Dayton prepared to pay?

No idea. How many fast food joints on on Brown St?

If NIL is an issue, then it will be for all teams in the A10.
And if we want to avoid the need for transfers, then the staff needs to do a better job recruiting and keeping players.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan I did not say we can not get players because of NIL. I simply asked how prepared and how much is Dayton prepared to pay?

That’s the $64,000,000 question . . .

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by N2663R That’s the $64,000,000 question . . .

Darn, I was hoping $64,000,000 was the answer.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan I fear none of the things you listed matter anymore for most transfers. It is all about the $$$$. How much and how prepared is Dayton to pay for quality transfers? I read on this site (sorry I forget who posted it but thank you) that former Wright State players Grant Basile is getting $150K in NIL @ VA Tech and Holden $80K @ OSU.

Boosters at most schools pay a lot of the coaches salary

At some point a school is going to get a cheap coach and plow that money into NIL
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[ud2]

I am just concerned about AG's contract situation if things don't work out. Some of these colleges and universities operate much differently than the pros as far as these things go. In the pros, if the coach has a couple/few bad seasons, he gets fired, they reach a settlement of some sort, and everybody moves on, and nobody really gets hurt IMO.

But in college ball, sometimes they give out these crazy contracts that are kind of lifetime contracts, or they give out these crazy-long contract extensions. Those contracts can cripple a program if things go south in terms of there being not enough $ to hire the next coach because you are still paying the old coach. I get that the school wants to protect their investment in the coach, but the schools get jobbed if things go south.

BG left UD for GT in the spring of 2011, but he was still under contract at UD thru the 2017-2018 season. That is another 7 seasons! And he never delivered a 1 or 2 seed.

https://atlantic10.com/news/2009/5/6/208913748.aspx:

May 6, 2009

University of Dayton Vice President and Director of Athletics Tim Wabler has announced that the University has extended head men's basketball coach Brian Gregory's contract for an additional five years, and that it will run through the 2017-18 season. Financial terms of the contract were not disclosed.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am just concerned about AG's contract situation if things don't work out. Some of these colleges and universities operate much differently than the pros as far as these things go. In the pros, if the coach has a couple/few bad seasons, he gets fired, they reach a settlement of some sort, and everybody moves on, and nobody really gets hurt IMO. But in college ball, sometimes they give out these crazy contracts that are kind of lifetime contracts, or they give out these crazy-long contract extensions. Those contracts can cripple a program if things go south in terms of there being not enough $ to hire the next coach because you are still paying the old coach. I get that the school wants to protect their investment in the coach, but the schools get jobbed if things go south. BG left UD for GT in the spring of 2011, but he was still under contract at UD thru the 2017-2018 season. That is another 7 seasons! And he never delivered a 1 or 2 seed. https://atlantic10.com/news/2009/5/6/208913748.aspx: May 6, 2009 University of Dayton Vice President and Director of Athletics Tim Wabler has announced that the University has extended head men's basketball coach Brian Gregory's contract for an additional five years, and that it will run through the 2017-18 season. Financial terms of the contract were not disclosed.

AG will be here until the big money guys say he isn't. This isn't glad handed. He has to perform.

Wabler was out of touch and an excuse maker. Neil is a doer. I think Neil is in touch with a timeline of when things aren't acceptable.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by shocka43 AG will be here until the big money guys say he isn't. This isn't glad handed. He has to perform. Wabler was out of touch and an excuse maker. Neil is a doer. I think Neil is in touch with a timeline of when things aren't acceptable.

And if Neil has any questions or needs advice, he can always contact ud2

[jack72]

Originally Posted by ud2 I am just concerned about AG's contract situation if things don't work out. Some of these colleges and universities operate much differently than the pros as far as these things go. In the pros, if the coach has a couple/few bad seasons, he gets fired, they reach a settlement of some sort, and everybody moves on, and nobody really gets hurt IMO. But in college ball, sometimes they give out these crazy contracts that are kind of lifetime contracts, or they give out these crazy-long contract extensions. Those contracts can cripple a program if things go south in terms of there being not enough $ to hire the next coach because you are still paying the old coach. I get that the school wants to protect their investment in the coach, but the schools get jobbed if things go south. BG left UD for GT in the spring of 2011, but he was still under contract at UD thru the 2017-2018 season. That is another 7 seasons! And he never delivered a 1 or 2 seed. https://atlantic10.com/news/2009/5/6/208913748.aspx: May 6, 2009 University of Dayton Vice President and Director of Athletics Tim Wabler has announced that the University has extended head men's basketball coach Brian Gregory's contract for an additional five years, and that it will run through the 2017-18 season. Financial terms of the contract were not disclosed.

BG and AM both quit and left for elsewhere, so they were not owed anything. BG may have been paid something and asked to leave, but we have no idea.

[podcast411]

Well I guess it is good thing that things are working out. AG will be our coach for the next 10+ years.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Well I guess it is good thing that things are working out. AG will be our coach for the next 10+ years.

I don't see anything wrong with Anthony Grant being here another 10+ years. His morals are good. He is a good representative for the University of Dayton. He is a great recruiter (a lot better than the past four coaches we have had, especially Jim O'Brien!) Purnell, Gregory and Miller were all good but I feel were one step below AG because they didn't ever attempt to go after 4 and 5 star players. We wouldn't have DaRon Holmes or Toumani Camara right now if AG thought he didn't have a chance of recruiting them. I know Holmes wanted to come here but you can't tell me Anthony didn't have a big influence as well!

This season is not over yet and I know there are some on here that think we should have a few more NCAAT appearances but coaching is not easy. AG cannot be held responsible for the rash of injuries we've had. We are turning the corner and in a couple of weeks we will have the full team healthy for the first time. I enjoy going to the games and enjoy watching the basketball talents of the young men on this team that Anthony has assembled. Right now, thats as much as I ask as a season ticket holder!

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I don't see anything wrong with Anthony Grant being here another 10+ years. His morals are good. He is a good representative for the University of Dayton. He is a great recruiter (a lot better than the past four coaches we have had, especially Jim O'Brien!) Purnell, Gregory and Miller were all good but I feel were one step below AG because they didn't ever attempt to go after 4 and 5 star players. We wouldn't have DaRon Holmes or Toumani Camara right now if AG thought he didn't have a chance of recruiting them. I know Holmes wanted to come here but you can't tell me Anthony didn't have a big influence as well! This season is not over yet and I know there are some on here that think we should have a few more NCAAT appearances but coaching is not easy. AG cannot be held responsible for the rash of injuries we've had. We are turning the corner and in a couple of weeks we will have the full team healthy for the first time. I enjoy going to the games and enjoy watching the basketball talents of the young men on this team that Anthony has assembled. Right now, thats as much as I ask as a season ticket holder!

Yep, they always say it's better to have a coach who gets better recruits that get you to the NIT than one who gets lesser ones to the NCAA.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Yep, they always say it's better to have a coach who gets better recruits that get you to the NIT than one who gets lesser ones to the NCAA.

Well, I know of one coach in the A10 who's team stands at 4-8 and I'm sure right now he's dreaming of the NIT. But really, there's no excuse for a 4-8 record. I mean, if you're that good a coach, it shouldn't matter who you have as recruits right? I mean, if you have "lesser" recruits, it shouldn't matter who you're putting on the court, they're just not getting it done, nor is this coach at this point.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Well, I know of one coach in the A10 who's team stands at 4-8 and I'm sure right now he's dreaming of the NIT. But really, there's no excuse for a 4-8 record. I mean, if you're that good a coach, it shouldn't matter who you have as recruits right? I mean, if you have "lesser" recruits, it shouldn't matter who you're putting on the court, they're just not getting it done, nor is this coach at this point.

RI 2021-2022: 15-16
RI 2020-2021: 10-15

He is starting in a hole.

[JimBo]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Well, I know of one coach in the A10 who's team stands at 4-8 and I'm sure right now he's dreaming of the NIT. But really, there's no excuse for a 4-8 record. I mean, if you're that good a coach, it shouldn't matter who you have as recruits right? I mean, if you have "lesser" recruits, it shouldn't matter who you're putting on the court, they're just not getting it done, nor is this coach at this point.

Come on, they've had a brutal schedule. We are talking losses to some powerhouse programs such as Quinnipiac, Brown, Texas State, and Georgia State.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by JimBo Come on, they've had a brutal schedule. We are talking losses to some powerhouse programs such as Quinnipiac, Brown, Texas State, and Georgia State.

So funny, coming into a program that's a shambles and has a bare cupboard that is real, not one with X. Williams, John Crosby, Darrell Davis, Josh Cunningham, Trey Landers and Ryan Mikesell along with 5 recruits where 3 of them chose to stay. But I guess AG couldn't handle it because there was no true center, and I'm sure the reason there wasn't one is also blamed on AM, you know Big Steve?

The bare cupboard bs never held water.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 So funny, coming into a program that's a shambles and has a bare cupboard that is real, not one with X. Williams, John Crosby, Darrell Davis, Josh Cunningham, Trey Landers and Ryan Mikesell along with 5 recruits where 3 of them chose to stay. But I guess AG couldn't handle it because there was no true center, and I'm sure the reason there wasn't one is also blamed on AM, you know Big Steve? The bare cupboard bs never held water.

Cupboard was bare with AM recruits and attitudes. AG had to right the ship to the Chagrin of at least 2 of AMs guys and 1 of his own.

That aside, with today's portal, AM has 0 excuse for being 4-8 with the loses he has incurred. Also, 4-8 is way worse than what AG did in his first bare cupboard non-conference so nothing to see but lots of apples to oranges here.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Cupboard was bare with AM recruits and attitudes. AG had to right the ship to the Chagrin of at least 2 of AMs guys and 1 of his own. That aside, with today's portal, AM has 0 excuse for being 4-8 with the loses he has incurred. Also, 4-8 is way worse than what AG did in his first bare cupboard non-conference so nothing to see but lots of apples to oranges here.

Yes, let me reemphasize my point. Bare Cupboard 2022-2023 at Rhode Island. Experience quality players that AG begged to stay on and then pushed an authoritative style from the get go to cause resentment 2017-2018 at UD. The cupboard was bare at UD because AG decided to break all the cups instead of slowly replacing them with his own cups.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Yes, let me reemphasize my point. Bare Cupboard 2022-2023 at Rhode Island. Experience quality players that AG begged to stay on and then pushed an authoritative style from the get go to cause resentment 2017-2018 at UD. The cupboard was bare at UD because AG decided to break all the cups instead of slowly replacing them with his own cups.

No excuses, sorry. There are literally thousands of players in the transfer portal; you're saying AM can't get a few blue chip players to follow him up there at RI? After all the successes he could boast about while at UD? I thought he could do more with less?

As far as CAG "pushing an authoritative style from the get go" to cause resentment...ygbfkm. You're a new coach but you're going to allow a pouting 21 year old 6'7" forward to continue to shoot 3's when as a career he was maybe a 30% 3 point shooter? That same player that skipped practices so that he could hone his Fortnight game playing skills? AG "broke" all the cups to get his team playing his way, not allowing former AM players to dictate the rules. I mean, Arch was a legend but you gotta be your own coach.

[Smitty10]

One person, takes what he's got, evaluates, builds his own team from there. The other begs everyone to stay, then immediately takes an ax to the ones he doesnt want and then throws things against the wall and sees what sticks.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 So funny, coming into a program that's a shambles and has a bare cupboard that is real, not one with X. Williams, John Crosby, Darrell Davis, Josh Cunningham, Trey Landers and Ryan Mikesell along with 5 recruits where 3 of them chose to stay. But I guess AG couldn't handle it because there was no true center, and I'm sure the reason there wasn't one is also blamed on AM, you know Big Steve? The bare cupboard bs never held water.

ESPN/Lunardi agreed with you. ESPN had UD in their bracketology field in the off-season before Grant's first season at UD. Silly me, I guess all the pro-Grant posters on here are smarter than Lunardi.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by ud2 ESPN/Lunardi agreed with you. ESPN had UD in their bracketology field in the off-season before Grant's first season at UD. Silly me, I guess all the pro-Grant posters on here are smarter than Lunardi.

Lunardi is a moron; most of us agree on that.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 ESPN/Lunardi agreed with you. ESPN had UD in their bracketology field in the off-season before Grant's first season at UD. Silly me, I guess all the pro-Grant posters on here are smarter than Lunardi.

I agree, all the pro Grant posters are smarter than Lunardi, and also smarter than the constant anti Grant posters. Questioning situations or specific items in one thing. Grinding axes from the get-go is another.

[GoFlyer]

lI am sick of hearing all this bs about Grant. He is going nowhere. The University is not about to fire him.

The posters with their incessant criticism are just making it more difficult to recruit and wearing down the morale of the current players. Please, please, back off.
You are singing a song without any background music playing.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by GoFlyer lI am sick of hearing all this bs about Grant. He is going nowhere. The University is not about to fire him. The posters with their incessant criticism are just making it more difficult to recruit and wearing down the morale of the current players. Please, please, back off. You are singing a song without any background music playing.

lol, now that is some twisted logic. The fans complaining about the failures are in turn causing failures.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Lunardi is a moron; most of us agree on that.

Originally Posted by UD62 I agree, all the pro Grant posters are smarter than Lunardi...

That is the SOP on here. Anytime a national media figure disses the Flyers or says something that goes against the prevailing narrative on here, then the person is an idiot. But, if they complement the Flyers, then that person is a genius. If Lunardi came out next week with a bracket with the Flyers in it, he'd no longer be an idiot.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by JimBo Come on, they've had a brutal schedule. We are talking losses to some powerhouse programs such as Quinnipiac, Brown, Texas State, and Georgia State.

Almost as bad as losing to UMASS-Lowell, lipscomb, and austin pray in year 5

Originally Posted by GoFlyer lI am sick of hearing all this bs about Grant. He is going nowhere. The University is not about to fire him. The posters with their incessant criticism are just making it more difficult to recruit and wearing down the morale of the current players. Please, please, back off. You are singing a song without any background music playing.

If you continue to blow smoke up their butt then we can expect a Final Four appearance per this logic

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[UDGutter2]

Has Dayton had more than 1 game with a full roster this year? Let's talk after the starting point guard has been healthy for 10 straight games.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by ud2 That is the SOP on here. Anytime a national media figure disses the Flyers or says something that goes against the prevailing narrative on here, then the person is an idiot. But, if they complement the Flyers, then that person is a genius. If Lunardi came out next week with a bracket with the Flyers in it, he'd no longer be an idiot.

First of all Lunardi wouldn’t ever do that unless UD was in the top 25 like all of 19-20, or had a Rudy Flyer flapping his wings all game long like St. Joe. Under almost every circumstance Lunardi is an annoying moron. Merry Christmas everyone
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 First of all Lunardi wouldn’t ever do that unless UD was in the top 25 like all of 19-20, or had a Rudy Flyer flapping his wings all game long like St. Joe. Under almost every circumstance Lunardi is an annoying moron. Merry Christmas everyone Posted via Mobile Device

These post you are spot on

[rollo]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Lunardi is a moron; most of us agree on that.

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 First of all Lunardi wouldn’t ever do that unless UD was in the top 25 like all of 19-20, or had a Rudy Flyer flapping his wings all game long like St. Joe. Under almost every circumstance Lunardi is an annoying moron. Merry Christmas everyone Posted via Mobile Device

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ld-predictions

Lunardi has UD as a 13-seed this morning...NET rankings or not, he's your buddy now.

[UD62]

Somebody from the A-10 has to get invited. Lunardi picks the Flyers to win the tournement and the AQ bid. He is also saying the A-10 is a one bid league

[CoffeeCan]

A10 a one bid league is one thing... a one bid league with as a 13 seed is like the Ivy League or something... Crazy. Let's hope this is not the case.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by UD62 Somebody from the A-10 has to get invited. Lunardi picks the Flyers to win the tournement and the AQ bid. He is also saying the A-10 is a one bid league

It's my understanding that Lunardi having Dayton IN his bracket doesn't mean he's picking the Flyers to win the A10 Tournament. He doesn't project any conference tournament winners. For One-Bid leagues, which the A10 will most likely remain for the rest of the season, I believe he picks either whoever is in first place in the league standings or whoever has the best NET ranking. Since there aren't any conference standings yet, it defaults to the Flyers due the best NET ranking right now.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER It's my understanding that Lunardi having Dayton IN his bracket doesn't mean he's picking the Flyers to win the A10 Tournament. He doesn't project any conference tournament winners. For One-Bid leagues, which the A10 will most likely remain for the rest of the season, I believe he picks either whoever is in first place in the league standings or whoever has the best NET ranking. Since there aren't any conference standings yet, it defaults to the Flyers due the best NET ranking right now.

If you look at the bracket, it has an"aq" next to Dayton. He is picking UD to win the tournement and secure the automatic bid. He is also saying it is the only way an A-10 team gets in this year.

[OSU Flyer]

This has be to be the worst season for a conference UD has played in since joining a league
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[rollo]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer This has be to be the worst season for a conference UD has played in since joining a league Posted via Mobile Device

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by rollo https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ld-predictions Lunardi has UD as a 13-seed this morning...NET rankings or not, he's your buddy now.

I still don't like him

[Bill McPeek]

I think this only confirms what we already knew. Have to win the A-10 tournament in order to get invited to the dance.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by UD62 If you look at the bracket, it has an"aq" next to Dayton. He is picking UD to win the tournement and secure the automatic bid. He is also saying it is the only way an A-10 team gets in this year.

A little bit of semantics perhaps, but Lunardi is NOT predicting UD to win the A10 tournament. Nor is he predicting ANYONE will win their conference tournaments with this bracket projection. The one bid conferences, he's defaulting to the current standings or the NET ratings to "award" that position in his bracket. That position (A10 AQ) in his bracket will be very fluid as conference play starts and gets a couple of weeks under its belt. Just understand that unless a team takes control of the standings from the outset, Joe will be "predicting" a different winner of the A10 tournAment about 5 or 6 times throughout conference play.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek I think this only confirms what we already knew. Have to win the A-10 tournament in order to get invited to the dance.

I'm going to be the contrarian here - I think the A-10 could get two bids IF one team dominates the conference but stumbles in the tournament.

_____________________
Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[Bill McPeek]

Obviously, we disagree. The A-10 is very weak this year. How many Quad 1 or 2 wins does the A-10 have this year? The league has not performed very well in out of conference games.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark I'm going to be the contrarian here - I think the A-10 could get two bids IF one team dominates the conference but stumbles in the tournament. _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

This remains a real longshot. Would be like winning a 6 or 7 team parlay.

-You need UD AND SLU to both get into the Top 75 (NET) AND stay there
-You need at least one, if not two, of VCU, Duquesne and Mason to sneak into the Top 75
-You need Davidson to get into the Top 135
-You need Fordham to stay at or near 100
-You need SLU and Dayton to win 14 or 15 league games
-You need someone other than SLU or Dayton to win the A10T

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark I'm going to be the contrarian here - I think the A-10 could get two bids IF one team dominates the conference but stumbles in the tournament. _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Shorter summary, you need to get like 6 or 7 teams (outside of SLU and Dayton) to stay or get inside the Top 135 of the NET, and stay no worse than the Top 160. Teams like Fordham, Mason, UMass, VCU, Duquesne, Richmond and Davidson. Those two numbers represent the cut points for an away Q2 win and the difference between a Q3 and Q4 home win.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER This remains a real longshot. Would be like winning a 6 or 7 team parlay. -You need UD AND SLU to both get into the Top 75 (NET) AND stay there -You need at least one, if not two, of VCU, Duquesne and Mason to sneak into the Top 75 -You need Davidson to get into the Top 135 -You need Fordham to stay at or near 100 -You need SLU and Dayton to win 14 or 15 league games -You need someone other than SLU or Dayton to win the A10T

He didn’t say three teams. He said two. I agree. If UD goes 16-2 or 17-1 and then loses in the A10 finals, I think they make the NCAA as an at large team. I think the committee would see a team on the rise and would look at the non conference and see a depleted team who lost to Wisconsin by 1, BYU in OT, and at UNLV with one of their top players not playing in the second half. Call me crazy.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[udscott]

Ok u crazy ! U think this team is going 17-1 or 16-2, that’s the crazy part, you’re drinking the kool aid man, e we are beating a bunch of bums the last 2 weeks
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[springborofan]

You can’t win them all if you don’t win the first! 😀

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by springborofan He didn’t say three teams. He said two. I agree. If UD goes 16-2 or 17-1 and then loses in the A10 finals, I think they make the NCAA as an at large team. I think the committee would see a team on the rise and would look at the non conference and see a depleted team who lost to Wisconsin by 1, BYU in OT, and at UNLV with one of their top players not playing in the second half. Call me crazy.

What makes you think I was angling or projecting for three teams?

My suggested/needed scenario(s) were all based on having at least ONE team (SLU or Dayton, logically) earn enough opportunities at some quality wins in conference play to merit a legit discussion as an at-large.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[N2663R]

Looks like RJ is learning a lesson the hard way. Take your pick . . .

[rollo]

Originally Posted by rollo https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ld-predictions Lunardi has UD as a 13-seed this morning...NET rankings or not, he's your buddy now.

Lunardi has My Team as a 12-seed this morning. Let the b*tching and complaining begin!

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ld-predictions

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Lunardi has My Team as a 12-seed this morning. Let the b*tching and complaining begin! https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...ld-predictions

I wouldn't read too much into this. We are the sole representative of the A10 in the bracket. This basically means he projects UD to punch their ticket by winning the A10 post-season tournament. Hard to argue with his logic based on results to date. It's better than not being included, but not by much.

We just need to keep winning our way through the A10 and see what happens after we rattle off a handful of wins. I think we are finally playing like a team that belongs in the tournament, but we need a respectable record going forward to get a serious look.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek I think this only confirms what we already knew. Have to win the A-10 tournament in order to get invited to the dance.

possibly
I can think of a couple scenarios where there
could be two

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by steverino015 possibly I can think of a couple scenarios where there could be two

Agree. The bubble at selection time (not 1-2 games into the conference season) has been very weak the past 2 years. Plenty can happen in the next 16 games to improve our lot.
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