Fire MF

[CraSch]

That's right!! Fire Mark Few!! Gonzaga are predicted to be in the Final Four every year. Yet they rarely make it. Tonight they got absolutely destroyed....even though they are ranked number 1. I don't want any excuses!! They are NUMBER 1!!! Losing, even to #11, on the road, is UNACCEPTABLE!!! They NEVER live up to expectation, fall short every stinking year. Mark Few is AWFUL!!!
So says me, GU Scott!!!!!

[T-Bone 84]

Well played.
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[Gazoo]

The #1 team in the country should never lose. Every time they do the "reasons" are just excuses.

Nobody else in the marketplace is attempting to compete with me, it's only me, and I control all factors. I never make a mistake which is why I'm never fired. I make more money every year and I project that since I will never have a setback I will make a gadjillion dollars within 10 years and my income will be larger than global GDP.

It all makes perfect sense when written out on a spreadsheet. Anything short of this outcome is reason to commit hari kari.

[The Gem]

I think Zagascott will agree.

[TX Flyer]

With this logic we should go hire Donnie Jones since he is overachieving this year

[Jack D]

Wow. Winning

Good one

[Class of 73 Alum]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The #1 team in the country should never lose. Every time they do the "reasons" are just excuses. Nobody else in the marketplace is attempting to compete with me, it's only me, and I control all factors. I never make a mistake which is why I'm never fired. I make more money every year and I project that since I will never have a setback I will make a gadjillion dollars within 10 years and my income will be larger than global GDP. It all makes perfect sense when written out on a spreadsheet. Anything short of this outcome is reason to commit hari kari.

I made a mistake once. I thought I was wrong about something but I was mistaken.

[Jeff]

.........as the sound of crickets permeates the air.

[zmz723]

The guy who has taken his mid major team to the 2nd weekend 7 years in a row probably should be immune from criticism for losing one game.

The guy who has 1 NCAA tourney appearance in 5 years probably shouldn't be immune from criticism

[SeasonTicketFan]

Comparing Gonzaga to UD is not a good comparison as Chris has often pointed out.

Gonzaga has consistently had an easier path to the NCAA tournament because they dominate a weaker league. Conversely, the A10 has high quality competition that consistently knocks themselves out of the tournament.

In AG's first year, the league had 3 bids and then 2 bids every year after. Before A10 would send 3-6 teams a year to the tournament which made an easier path. 2014 and 2105 6 teams made it to the NCAA.

In 5 seasons, AG has finished in the A10:
Year 1 9th place.
Year 2 3rd place in A10 (previously that would have been a bid)
Year 3 1st place
Year 4 7th place. Bad finish
Year 5 2nd place. Missed the tournament by a hair.

In 5 years a first second and third place finish.

Archie's team had an easier path and barely made it a couple of times.

You can argue the quality of coaches, but the A10 pretty much requires winning the A10 tournament or regular season to make the NCAA. And you have VCU, Davidson, St. Louis and more to beat out.

[foolishpride]

Gonzaga to Big 12?

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.c...terest-report/

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Comparing Gonzaga to UD is not a good comparison as Chris has often pointed out. Gonzaga has consistently had an easier path to the NCAA tournament because they dominate a weaker league. Conversely, the A10 has high quality competition that consistently knocks themselves out of the tournament. In AG's first year, the league had 3 bids and then 2 bids every year after. Before A10 would send 3-6 teams a year to the tournament which made an easier path. 2014 and 2105 6 teams made it to the NCAA. In 5 seasons, AG has finished in the A10: Year 1 9th place. Year 2 3rd place in A10 (previously that would have been a bid) Year 3 1st place Year 4 7th place. Bad finish Year 5 2nd place. Missed the tournament by a hair. In 5 years a first second and third place finish. Archie's team had an easier path and barely made it a couple of times. You can argue the quality of coaches, but the A10 pretty much requires winning the A10 tournament or regular season to make the NCAA. And you have VCU, Davidson, St. Louis and more to beat out.

How did Archie's teams have an easier an path if the league was stronger?

[SeasonTicketFan]

In Archie's years, the league would get more bids.

In 2014, UD finished 5th in the league and got an NCAA bid. 6 teams from the A10 made the tournament that year. In the last 4 season, only 2 teams made the dance. If the 2013-2014 team finished 5th in the league any time in the last 6 years, they don't dance,

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan In Archie's years, the league would get more bids. In 2014, UD finished 5th in the league and got an NCAA bid. 6 teams from the A10 made the tournament that year. In the last 4 season, only 2 teams made the dance. If the 2013-2014 team finished 5th in the league any time in the last 6 years, they don't dance,

They had 6 teams because the conference was tougher. They've only had 2 teams in the past 4 years because the conference was weaker. If you mean he had it easier because it was easier to fill out a quality team with quality players in a quality conference, then yeah, he had it easier.

[SeasonTicketFan]

I disagree. It is harder now because the Big 5 have rigged the system. The weakest Big 5 teams get in because of strength of schedule ahead of A10 teams. A bottom feeder in the Big 10 and ACC will have a losing record in conference and get in.

Yes the A10 was stronger in the past, but the squeeze is much, much worse now.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I disagree. It is harder now because the Big 5 have rigged the system. The weakest Big 5 teams get in because of strength of schedule ahead of A10 teams. A bottom feeder in the Big 10 and ACC will have a losing record in conference and get in. Yes the A10 was stronger in the past, but the squeeze is much, much worse now.

A winning record in conference should be the requirement for any at large bids. But sadly you are correct they rigged the system - and no way they put in that rule. It would be great to see that rule - but likely just a pipe dream.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I disagree. It is harder now because the Big 5 have rigged the system. The weakest Big 5 teams get in because of strength of schedule ahead of A10 teams. A bottom feeder in the Big 10 and ACC will have a losing record in conference and get in. Yes the A10 was stronger in the past, but the squeeze is much, much worse now.

I see where you're coming from and will say that it might be a little tougher to get in now. However, since our last NCAA appearance, there is not one season(besides 2019-2020) that I thought we had a chance to get in based on who we beat and who we lost to and how we fared in the A10 tournament. The only surprise to me and I believe most fans was to find out that we would've made it last season with one more win or Richmond losing to Davidson in the conference finals. And if we believe what the committee said, then the A10 would've had 3 teams had the Flyers won just one more of any of the regular season games they lost(obviously if we had beaten Richmond in the tournament we would've gone but Richmond wouldn't have so that's still just 2).

I was slightly surprised we made it in 2014 and was very surprised we had to go through a play-in game in 2015(rather than being in the field of 64 from the get go).

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer How did Archie's teams have an easier an path if the league was stronger?

Isn’t that the #1 argument for having to get it to the BE?
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan I disagree. It is harder now because the Big 5 have rigged the system. The weakest Big 5 teams get in because of strength of schedule ahead of A10 teams. A bottom feeder in the Big 10 and ACC will have a losing record in conference and get in. Yes the A10 was stronger in the past, but the squeeze is much, much worse now.

I am not sure that I really buy this argument. Things change, but the bottom line kind of stays the same. The committee takes into account the strength of the A10 when it hands out bids. If the A10 is tougher, UD's path is tougher, but the A10 also gets more bids. If the A10 is weaker, UD's path is easier, but the A10 gets fewer bids. Everything is weighted and adjusted by the committee in the end.

[Glen Clark]

This thread went off the rails . . .

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[ud2]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Isn’t that the #1 argument for having to get it to the BE? Posted via Mobile Device

Correct, but it is the same thing as with the A10 in that everything is weighted by the committee, some years the BE is getting 6 or 7 teams into the NCAAT. You can go .500 or maybe even 8-10 in BE conference games and still make the NCAAT. Everything works out in the end.

We gotta dump these A10 bottom feeders somehow. Maybe form a new league with the top 8 or so A10 teams, maybe poach a few good teams from other leagues, and leave the A10 bottom feeders behind. These bottom feeders kill your metrics and are always potential land mines/bad losses on your schedule that blow up your season.

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This thread went off the rails . . . _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Can we please get back to talking about Mark Few and mocking udscott? All of this meaningful discussion is really distracting.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Isn’t that the #1 argument for having to get it to the BE? Posted via Mobile Device

I guess I'm switching directions here by saying that it's a great argument.

You have a better chance to recruit better players in a more respected, tougher conference. This in turn means all things being equal on your team, you will have a worse record in the tougher conference but be allowed to qualify for the NCAA tournament with a worse record. And for the most part, the NCAA weighs it pretty well.

In 2013-2014, the Atlantic 10 lost Xavier, Butler, Temple and Charlotte and added George Mason followed by Davidson the following season.

There was still a residual effect because many of the players that signed with teams left in the A10 did so while X and Temple were there and one class while Butler was there and were now hitting their prime as far as CBB was concerned. Transferring out wasn't the option it is today as sitting for a season changes everything.

Back then, teams like UMass, St. B, St. Joes, LaSalle, RI, Richmond and GW would rise up every 3 or 4 years and be NCAA worthy. Teams like Dayton and SLU would stay close to the bubble at least. VCU added a year or two before the big departures also fit that close to bubble category.

But once those classes that were acquired prior to the departures started graduating or leaving for other reasons, the quality of the A10 diminished also.

So yes, it certainly makes sense that being in a better conference makes it easier to get to the NCAA tournament, but only because it makes it easier to put together a better team not because you have the same quality of team losing more games but to better teams.

When we see 6th and 7th place teams from the big conferences make it over a 3rd place team from the A10, I believe 90 percent of the time those 6th, 7th or whatever teams are better than the 3rd place A10 team.

Yes, the NCAA committees make some headscratching decisions, but when it comes to rating the 36 best at-large teams for the tournament, they're not too far off.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[MrFlyerFanatic]

Fire Juwan Howard as well!
The #20 team in the nation should not be taking a 25pt beat down by a team that lost to Texas Southern just 4 days prior.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by ud2 Correct, but it is the same thing as with the A10 in that everything is weighted by the committee, some years the BE is getting 6 or 7 teams into the NCAAT. You can go .500 or maybe even 8-10 in BE conference games and still make the NCAAT. Everything works out in the end. We gotta dump these A10 bottom feeders somehow. Maybe form a new league with the top 8 or so A10 teams, maybe poach a few good teams from other leagues, and leave the A10 bottom feeders behind. These bottom feeders kill your metrics and are always potential land mines/bad losses on your schedule that blow up your season.

Don't kill the bottom feeders just require they schedule at least one more away game and have them kill one of their miserable 'buy games'.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark This thread went off the rails . . . _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Seriously!

Cant we just get back to giving Mark Few a pink slip?

[zmz723]

Originally Posted by MrFlyerFanatic Fire Juwan Howard as well! The #20 team in the nation should not be taking a 25pt beat down by a team that lost to Texas Southern just 4 days prior.

Juwan Howard’s Michigan team made the sweet 16 last year and the elite 8 the year prior. Starting to think the people who post here truly don’t care about the NCAA tournament…
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