If UD Scott comes on this board after this…

[flyerfeedback2018]

Snakebit is all I can say.
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[Monster Man]

Absolute nightmare in the Bahamas. Player performance and coaching were awful. If Elvis and Mali are out for an extended period of time, the season is over. Incredibly disappointing, tough being a Flyer fan. I’m nauseous
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[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by flyerfeedback2018 Snakebit is all I can say. Posted via Mobile Device

I've said for years this is one of the most snake bitten franchises I've ever seen. And I'm a Lions fan, so I know from experience what they look like. Death of players, injuries at the most critical positions and time of year. Best season ever, with a likely one seed? Nope. Covid, good try Flyers, you can't have that. I also said we need point guard depth because Mali is oft-injured. Was told to pound sand by many here. And again, I'm not a negative poster, just pragmatic with a touch of foresight. I'm done.

[steverino015]

right now, I'm hoping they are NOT out
for the whole season... both injuries just
sounded bad, we'll see....
feel for both of them so much.. just sick

[m21eagle45]

Injuries or not, we should have won that game in regulation. Mali is 1/8 from the floor and constantly getting blocked driving to the hoop all tournament, and that is what AG dials up out of a TO. When has that play worked in the last 2 years with Mali or Kobe driving at the end? Draw up a real play and we win and still have Mali.

[flyerfeedback2018]

You’re right about needing a point guard. We are about to see what it looks like to not have one for a whole year unless Mike can run the show.
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Injuries or not, we should have won that game in regulation. Mali is 1/8 from the floor and constantly getting blocked driving to the hoop all tournament, and that is what AG dials up out of a TO. When has that play worked in the last 2 years with Mali or Kobe driving at the end? Draw up a real play and we win and still have Mali.

Why not Holmes on the last play?
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[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Why not Holmes on the last play? Posted via Mobile Device

That would have made too much sense today, and against Wisconsin.

[bcross]

Guard depth should have been addressed in the offseason instead of another project big to sit at the end of the bench.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Monster Man Absolute nightmare in the Bahamas. Player performance and coaching were awful. If Elvis and Mali are out for an extended period of time, the season is over. Incredibly disappointing, tough being a Flyer fan. I’m nauseous Posted via Mobile Device

If they are, at least we will learn what Mike can do at the point. Mali has not played well since his return, and Elvis is shoot first, matador on defense.

[steverino015]

yep... look like Mike at the point? think so

[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Injuries or not, we should have won that game in regulation. Mali is 1/8 from the floor and constantly getting blocked driving to the hoop all tournament, and that is what AG dials up out of a TO. When has that play worked in the last 2 years with Mali or Kobe driving at the end? Draw up a real play and we win and still have Mali.

Maybe.They only should have won this with better coaching. Absolutely a travesty the plays they run and especially out of timeouts. Absolutely no need for Smith to get hurt there as he stood out there for 30 seconds and BYU know the only way he could go is to his right so he dribbles into traffic with nowhere to go.

This was your classic very good shooters against no shooters. 23 point lead is not that big in today's game. They were trading threes for twos with BYU. Grant gets out coached by even mediocre coaches in today's game.

[ud2]

Gave up a 23 point lead and lost, ouch.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by flyerfeedback2018 You’re right about needing a point guard. We are about to see what it looks like to not have one for a whole year unless Mike can run the show. Posted via Mobile Device

I love Mike but I don’t think he is physically ready to play 30 min. a game. I do hope he proves me wrong. I also hope the injuries to Mali and Kobe are not as bad as they looked.

[FlyerFanatic08]

Originally Posted by steve Maybe.They only should have won this with better coaching. Absolutely a travesty the plays they run and especially out of timeouts. Absolutely no need for Smith to get hurt there as he stood out there for 30 seconds and BYU know the only way he could go is to his right so he dribbles into traffic with nowhere to go. This was your classic very good shooters against no shooters. 23 point lead is not that big in today's game. They were trading threes for twos with BYU. Grant gets out coached by even mediocre coaches in today's game.

AG stuck in a zone daring them to shoot 3's....HE'S SO BAD

[longtimefan67]

You know what's amusing? Going back to the 19-20 season and all the really negative posters of today are nowhere to be found? NOWHERE. And a lot of the posters who are NOW posting negatively, where on the bandwagon.

[steve]

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 AG stuck in a zone daring them to shoot 3's....HE'S SO BAD

And he did that when the team only had two fouls on them up until 2 minutes to go in the game. It wasn't like they were in foul trouble trying to protect several players.

[steverino015]

I was going to mention that... except I would not of
written anything is amusing by it... but yes,
there are some CAG fans (including me) who are just
sick of what happened...

no reason for Mali to be hurt, would of defo gone to
Deuce... I HOPE the injuries are not end of season,
both did not look good at all though..

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You know what's amusing? Going back to the 19-20 season and all the really negative posters of today are nowhere to be found? NOWHERE. And a lot of the posters who are NOW posting negatively, where on the bandwagon.

A great season based on one player and a couple supporting roles. What about the rest of what we have seem since AG took the helm?

This is not good right now and I'm not convinced he can deal with it.

[hawkoooo]

You may not like his delivery (no one does) but the man has been completely vindicated. As have I and the select few other posters wise enough to see the writing on the wall long ago.

[Ready Action]

On every play which is drawn up there are usually an option or two for the player with the ball has to decide which is best option. It is up to the player to take advantage of THE best option during said play. The options which the player may see doing live action definitely will change depending on how the opposing team responds. Think of a RPO in football terms. The UD players have to get into position to make the options available instead of standing around watching.
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[UD62]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You know what's amusing? Going back to the 19-20 season and all the really negative posters of today are nowhere to be found? NOWHERE. And a lot of the posters who are NOW posting negatively, where on the bandwagon.

It could be an indication that the positive posters of the past are beginning to ask questions. I'm an AG fan but it is hard to be positive given the events of the last three days. We are beginning to look like Louisville

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You know what's amusing? Going back to the 19-20 season and all the really negative posters of today are nowhere to be found? NOWHERE. And a lot of the posters who are NOW posting negatively, where on the bandwagon.

Amusing? It is REFRESHING! Finally we can be open about what is happening. There are less and less posters willing to bury their head in the sand.

[ud2]

Figgie, I imagine this loss is very rare in terms of having a 23 point lead and losing.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo You may not like his delivery (no one does) but the man has been completely vindicated. As have I and the select few other posters wise enough to see the writing on the wall long ago.

I'm calling baloney... he was completely anti Grant since
day 1, and during the greatest season in our school's history
what did he do? he put his tail between his legs and
disappeared.... for the entire season...

he did not see any writing on the wall he was just an annoying
flamer.... are you happy Kobe and Mali are injured? I may be
wrong but it sounds like you are celebrating..... not good if that
is the case... just my .02c

[steverino015]

great game going on on ESPN
Iowa St up 5 over NC
less than 20 seconds to go

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by steverino015 he did not see any writing on the wall he was just an annoying flamer.... are you happy Kobe and Mali are injured? I may be wrong but it sounds like you are celebrating..... not good if that is the case... just my .02c

Ahhh so you've chosen the "broken clock is right twice a day" defense. Classic.

The rest of your post is absolute rubbish and you should be embarrassed for posting it.

[Abuelo]

I think sometimes you just have to be realistic about what you have and tamper your expectations appropriately. Anyone drinking the kool-aid of this being a top 25 team was very short sided.

Our two starting guards are under sized. Smith can’t go left and is undersized for a D1 guard or at least a program looking to play at a high level. Unfortunately his defensive motor and passion isn’t enough to outweigh his defensive liabilities and lack of shoot. So Elvis gets bodied by older shooting guards. He ability to shoot is largely dependent on the size of the defender on him. Rarely when he truely attempts to create his own shot does he produce. His poor decision making when under pressure is no better this year or last year no matter if he brings the ball up or not.

Holmes is extremely likeable and hardworking. He is slim and tends to struggle through contact. His non existent midrange shot or three make it easy for other teams to scheme against him. He’s always going to push his double double but his lack of growth is 100% concerning. Camara is probably the best all around player but he is streaky. He lacks the ball control to take over a game and struggles to create his own shot. He should be chewing up defenders with his athletic ability and size.

Blank and Amzil, are the hard ones to figure out. If they could become one player they would be great. Amzil struggles to move laterally while defending and is extremely streaky and poor blank just can’t seem to break through on the offensive end.

Mike is the real deal. Anyone down playing him is just looking for cannon fodder. He’s thin and weak compared to the 23 year old seniors he’s playing against. Hell continue to improve and grow confidence. I pray that the staff can keep developing him. His bball iq, passing and shot or true top 150 talent. Remember you’re asking a freshman to come in and not only play but carry a mediocre mix major program against some reasonable competition.

This team will be mediocre in A 10 play. Before the injuries they were a top 5 A10 team if the guards are down for any length of time they will be 65% in the A10. Grant can’t coach out of a timeout and struggles miserably to manage games in the second half. The offense he runs is simplistic and doesn’t seem like it’s built to get out of first gear. Idk what the answer is. The reality is though is that after AM the expectations have been set for this program to make the dance every very years and sneak out a win. Any concern whatsoever about this staff under performing is valid and shouldn’t be pushed to the side. I’m not okay being a middle of the road A10 team. Not with the amount of money invested in this program and the talent that is one this team. This tournament could not of gone worse for this team. Hopefully they rebound. The players are lovable, grant is our home town guy, and I want this team to succeed. But we have to have a little dignity to hold ourselves to a standard that we haven’t met in years. If the injuries are serious the only thing I want to see is Washington. Give him real minutes and see where he is at to see what you have. He’s either worth the headache or not. But you won’t find out until he plays. Don’t waste the year playing 7 guys with bad results.

-Respectfully a frustrated but reasonable flyer fanatic.
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[steverino015]

nr 1 NC goes down to Iowa State

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Ready Action On every play which is drawn up there are usually an option or two for the player with the ball has to decide which is best option. It is up to the player to take advantage of THE best option during said play. The options which the player may see doing live action definitely will change depending on how the opposing team responds. Think of a RPO in football terms. The UD players have to get into position to make the options available instead of standing around watching. Posted via Mobile Device

On the play where Mali got hurt. There were no options. 5 out and an out of control drive by a player who didn't finish all week in the paint.

They went to the spots and watched because that is what they were told to do. The only 2nd option would have been a kick out if help D came to help on the drive. The help wasn't needed because we attacked with the smallest guy on the floor who could be defended one on one.

Now here we are.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Ahhh so you've chosen the "broken clock is right twice a day" defense. Classic. The rest of your post is absolute rubbish and you should be embarrassed for posting it.

what part? the part about his disappearing from this forum
during the greatest season in our school's history? that's
not rubbish, that is fact...

He would rather not be in here during the magical season,
where he could not say anything negative... fact

I asked him again and again why he chose to disappear
and he cannot say..... you should be embarrassed that
it took two injuries that we do not know the severity of...
you should be ashamed

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by steverino015 what part?

The part where you suggested I was happy our players got hurt. What absolute trite.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Ready Action On every play which is drawn up there are usually an option or two for the player with the ball has to decide which is best option. It is up to the player to take advantage of THE best option during said play. The options which the player may see doing live action definitely will change depending on how the opposing team responds. Think of a RPO in football terms. The UD players have to get into position to make the options available instead of standing around watching. Posted via Mobile Device

Are you being serious?

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Amusing? It is REFRESHING! Finally we can be open about what is happening. There are less and less posters willing to bury their head in the sand.

1 out of 5 seasons expectations were met. Yet people still go back to the anomaly.

[bcross]

Originally Posted by steverino015 what part? the part about his disappearing from this forum during the greatest season in our school's history? that's not rubbish, that is fact... He would rather not be in here during the magical season, where he could not say anything negative... fact I asked him again and again why he chose to disappear and he cannot say..... you should be embarrassed that it took two injuries that we do not know the severity of... you should be ashamed

It's very important that we figure out what udscott was doing during the 2019-20 season.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by shocka43 1 out of 5 seasons expectations were met. Yet people still go back to the anomaly.

Losing shocka is a turning point
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[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by shocka43 1 out of 5 seasons expectations were met. Yet people still go back to the anomaly.

1 in 6 at Bama...

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo The part where you suggested I was happy our players got hurt. What absolute trite.

why didn't you mention their injuries,

while you were applauding his "writing on the wall"
psychic ability.. we lost our starting backcourt...

seemed odd, still seems odd....
how about wishing them well, can you do that

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by steverino015 nr 1 NC goes down to Iowa State

Good thing we’re not ISU fans or this board would want to hand out a $50M/10 year contract

[OregonMike]

Can we fact check some things? Some, half, most of the team with the flu? Injuries before and during the game? Malachi and Kobe out for an extended period, maybe the year? When we have clear answers to those questions, then we can speculate.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by OregonMike Can we fact check some things? Some, half, most of the team with the flu? Injuries before and during the game? Malachi and Kobe out for an extended period, maybe the year? When we have clear answers to those questions, then we can speculate.

well done OregonMike....
post of the thread right here.....

let's steer this back to the players until
we get some answers.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 1 in 6 at Bama...

AG 11 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances
Archie 4 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances

Assuming AG doesn’t make it this year. In six seasons Archie went to twice as many tourneys as AG did in 12 years
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by steverino015 well done OregonMike.... post of the thread right here..... let's steer this back to the players until we get some answers.

So now we’re blaming the players who last year we were told we’re freshman and just needed time to understand the system? What’s the issue this year?

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Losing shocka is a turning point Posted via Mobile Device

I want this to work. I've seen very little to convince me it will.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by bcross It's very important that we figure out what udscott was doing during the 2019-20 season.

no no no.....
He was here, and is here after ever opportunity arises
to flame..... do you get/understand this was the
greatest year in our school's history?

it isn't what he was doing, it is why he chose to high
tail it from here..... of course, he may of been here
the whole time

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer So now we’re blaming the players who last year we were told we’re freshman and just needed time to understand the system? What’s the issue this year?

what? are you just not understanding the posts??

we are not blaming the players, we would like
an update on their health.... get it?

[udscott]

❤️❤️❤️❤️
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[VirgM]

Originally Posted by shocka43 On the play where Mali got hurt. There were no options. 5 out and an out of control drive by a player who didn't finish all week in the paint. They went to the spots and watched because that is what they were told to do. The only 2nd option would have been a kick out if help D came to help on the drive. The help wasn't needed because we attacked with the smallest guy on the floor who could be defended one on one. Now here we are.

Here's a thought....if we had not blown the big lead, Mali and Elvis might not have even been on the floor to get hurt. On a blowout, the bench players would have been in.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by VirgM Here's a thought....if we had not blown the big lead, Mali and Elvis might not have even been on the floor to get hurt. On a blowout, the bench players would have been in.

correct

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by steverino015 what? are you just not understanding the posts?? we are not blaming the players, we would like an update on their health.... get it?

I misunderstood your post based on this reply

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer I misunderstood your post based on this reply

you have to backtrack to past comments...
all of us are shocked at the game,
but a hand full of us are trying to get
this back on to the status of the players,
that's what I meant by steering this back to
the players: I meant in terms of their health

I want to know their health, that's my nr 1
concern...

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by VirgM Here's a thought....if we had not blown the big lead, Mali and Elvis might not have even been on the floor to get hurt. On a blowout, the bench players would have been in.

So your head coach throws his hands in the air because of injuries?

Blakney, Holmes, etc had a better chance getting something at the rim. Hell, we've seen Amzil do it.

No screening, no movement, no anything. It was 5 out as far as you could get and one guy going to the rim.

That is not a strategic call by an 8th grade coach, let alone a college coach. It isn't the first time we have seen it and it won't be the last. Wash.Rinse. Repeat.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Abuelo I think sometimes you just have to be realistic about what you have and tamper your expectations appropriately. Anyone drinking the kool-aid of this being a top 25 team was very short sided. -Respectfully a frustrated but reasonable flyer fanatic. Posted via Mobile Device

I disagree. This team came together after a poor start last year, and really played well. Finished 2nd in the A-10, and was "last out" in the tournament. They returned all their starters...two of which were pure Freshman, and two contributors off the bench. They were voted into the top 25 by coaches AND media. That's not Kool-aide.

I'm not debating your identification of the weaknesses of the individuals, some are very accurate. (All teams have issues). The unknown is did the players work on their respective weaknesses in the off season? No one really knows until they play. To me, two of them have not changed their decision making, and it is hurting the team right now.

Thinking we are going to win every game the balance of the year is drinking Kool-aide. Not the reasoning behind a top 25 ranking to start the year.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by bcross It's very important that we figure out what udscott was doing during the 2019-20 season.

Pretty sure you can figure out Steverino is pointing out that people such as UDScott are pretty heavy and frequent on the criticism, and light / MIA on the kudo's.

Come on, your'e better than that, correct?

[VirgM]

Originally Posted by Jeff I disagree. This team came together after a poor start last year, and really played well. Finished 2nd in the A-10, and was "last out" in the tournament. They returned all their starters...two of which were pure Freshman, and two contributors off the bench. They were voted into the top 25 by coaches AND media. That's not Kool-aide.

So we have the same players back plus some additional horses so why are we playing worse then last year???

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by VirgM So we have the same players back plus some additional horses so why are we playing worse then last year???

I was addressing the beginning of the season top 25 comment. Why we are not playing as well is being discussed in three different threads. Go look.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Jeff Pretty sure you can figure out Steverino is pointing out that people such as UDScott are pretty heavy and frequent on the criticism, and light / MIA on the kudo's. Come on, your'e better than that, correct?

Who cares though? He's right. He was right from the get go. That he's a troll and disappears is wholly irrelevant.

Any poster still spending time bashing UDScott is yelling at the dead canary instead of getting their a** out of the coal mine.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by ud2 Figgie, I imagine this loss is very rare in terms of having a 23 point lead and losing.

Yea, it doesn't look good.

I have in-game scores since 2005-06, and this is the largest in-game lead lost at 23 points. Previous largest one was two seasons ago against Rhode Island when we lost an 18 point lead on 2/16/2021.

--Figgie

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Yea, it doesn't look good. I have in-game scores since 2005-06, and this is the largest in-game lead lost at 23 points. Previous largest one was two seasons ago against Rhode Island when we lost an 18 point lead on 2/16/2021. --Figgie

I seem to remember a close to 20 pt lead at Saint Louis 10 years ago give or take
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Who cares though? He's right. He was right from the get go. That he's a troll and disappears is wholly irrelevant. Any poster still spending time bashing UDScott is yelling at the dead canary instead of getting their a** out of the coal mine.

But we went 29-2 two years ago and would probably have made the Final Four...SARCASM

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer AG 11 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances Archie 4 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances Assuming AG doesn’t make it this year. In six seasons Archie went to twice as many tourneys as AG did in 12 years Posted via Mobile Device

Oh I see - you just conveniently forget about Archie Millers failed FOUR years and subsequent firing at Indiana huh? Got it, thanks UDScott, er I mean OSUFlyer…what a hack. BTW, how’s the legend Sir Archie doing at Rhode Island this year? (Answer: 2-4)
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Yea, it doesn't look good. I have in-game scores since 2005-06, and this is the largest in-game lead lost at 23 points. Previous largest one was two seasons ago against Rhode Island when we lost an 18 point lead on 2/16/2021. --Figgie

I do remember one time, with Archie as coach, we had a 31 point lead on Arkansas I believe and they came back to either get a slight lead, tie, or within one before we pulled it out. That was Pierre's first game back after expulsion.

edited: Actually it was a 31-9 lead that became 38-34 at the half. Went into OT and the Flyers won by 4.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Oh I see - you just conveniently forget about Archie Millers failed FOUR years and subsequent firing at Indiana huh? Got it, thanks UDScott, er I mean OSUFlyer…what a hack. BTW, how’s the legend Sir Archie doing at Rhode Island this year? (Answer: 2-4) Posted via Mobile Device

Archies 6 years at UD vs AG is a more fair comparison I agree
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[joeybaloney]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer AG 11 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances Archie 4 seasons 2 NCAA tourney appearances Assuming AG doesn’t make it this year. In six seasons Archie went to twice as many tourneys as AG did in 12 years Posted via Mobile Device

Anthony Grant has taken 4 teams to NCAA tourneys in 14 seasons as a head coach(counting the 2019-20 season).

Archie took 4 teams to NCAA tourneys in 10 seasons as a head coach. His IU team during the covid canceled tourney season was firmly on the bubble, so he might have made it a 5th time.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 BTW, how’s the legend Sir Archie doing at Rhode Island this year? (Answer: 2-4) Posted via Mobile Device

UD ain't URI.

Top 25 preseason. "Most talented " roster in however long.

They have to do better and should do better given the resources.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by shocka43 UD ain't URI. Top 25 preseason. "Most talented " roster in however long. They have to do better and should do better given the resources.

Key word : HEALTHY …..
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by bcross Guard depth should have been addressed in the offseason instead of another project big to sit at the end of the bench.

I said on this board and Rivals that we needed another PG. I was told no one would come and sit behind Mali so no need to even try. Well, here we are. I guess it's a good thing we brought in Amafeule and then Baker. They've added so much to the team. You can never, ever, have too many good guards, especially ones that can shoot the 3. We have, maybe Brea, and the jury is still out this year since he's played in 1 game.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by shocka43 A great season based on one player and a couple supporting roles. What about the rest of what we have seem since AG took the helm? This is not good right now and I'm not convinced he can deal with it.

And, he had Anthony Solomon helping as assistant head coach. He needs that seasoned former head coach as an assistant and doesn't have one.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Abuelo I think sometimes you just have to be realistic about what you have and tamper your expectations appropriately. Anyone drinking the kool-aid of this being a top 25 team was very short sided. Our two starting guards are under sized. Smith can’t go left and is undersized for a D1 guard or at least a program looking to play at a high level. Unfortunately his defensive motor and passion isn’t enough to outweigh his defensive liabilities and lack of shoot. So Elvis gets bodied by older shooting guards. He ability to shoot is largely dependent on the size of the defender on him. Rarely when he truely attempts to create his own shot does he produce. His poor decision making when under pressure is no better this year or last year no matter if he brings the ball up or not. Holmes is extremely likeable and hardworking. He is slim and tends to struggle through contact. His non existent midrange shot or three make it easy for other teams to scheme against him. He’s always going to push his double double but his lack of growth is 100% concerning. Camara is probably the best all around player but he is streaky. He lacks the ball control to take over a game and struggles to create his own shot. He should be chewing up defenders with his athletic ability and size. Blank and Amzil, are the hard ones to figure out. If they could become one player they would be great. Amzil struggles to move laterally while defending and is extremely streaky and poor blank just can’t seem to break through on the offensive end. Mike is the real deal. Anyone down playing him is just looking for cannon fodder. He’s thin and weak compared to the 23 year old seniors he’s playing against. Hell continue to improve and grow confidence. I pray that the staff can keep developing him. His bball iq, passing and shot or true top 150 talent. Remember you’re asking a freshman to come in and not only play but carry a mediocre mix major program against some reasonable competition. This team will be mediocre in A 10 play. Before the injuries they were a top 5 A10 team if the guards are down for any length of time they will be 65% in the A10. Grant can’t coach out of a timeout and struggles miserably to manage games in the second half. The offense he runs is simplistic and doesn’t seem like it’s built to get out of first gear. Idk what the answer is. The reality is though is that after AM the expectations have been set for this program to make the dance every very years and sneak out a win. Any concern whatsoever about this staff under performing is valid and shouldn’t be pushed to the side. I’m not okay being a middle of the road A10 team. Not with the amount of money invested in this program and the talent that is one this team. This tournament could not of gone worse for this team. Hopefully they rebound. The players are lovable, grant is our home town guy, and I want this team to succeed. But we have to have a little dignity to hold ourselves to a standard that we haven’t met in years. If the injuries are serious the only thing I want to see is Washington. Give him real minutes and see where he is at to see what you have. He’s either worth the headache or not. But you won’t find out until he plays. Don’t waste the year playing 7 guys with bad results. -Respectfully a frustrated but reasonable flyer fanatic. Posted via Mobile Device

Tennessee's starting PG is 5-10 and had no issues driving to the hoop and at minimum, drawing fouls. I wouldn't mind Mali driving if he drew fouls. He just doesn't, so it's pretty much a TO.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan I said on this board and Rivals that we needed another PG. I was told no one would come and sit behind Mali so no need to even try. Well, here we are. I guess it's a good thing we brought in Amafeule and then Baker. They've added so much to the team. You can never, ever, have too many good guards, especially ones that can shoot the 3. We have, maybe Brea, and the jury is still out this year since he's played in 1 game.

They got a PF from Georgia to come in behind Homes and Camara so I don’t buy that
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan And, he had Anthony Solomon helping as assistant head coach. He needs that seasoned former head coach as an assistant and doesn't have one.

An extremely valid point.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by shocka43 UD ain't URI. Top 25 preseason. "Most talented " roster in however long. They have to do better and should do better given the resources.

Agreed.
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Oh I see - you just conveniently forget about Archie Millers failed FOUR years and subsequent firing at Indiana huh? Got it, thanks UDScott, er I mean OSUFlyer…what a hack. BTW, how’s the legend Sir Archie doing at Rhode Island this year? (Answer: 2-4) Posted via Mobile Device

Nobody cares what he did at IU or RI

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by VirgM Here's a thought....if we had not blown the big lead, Mali and Elvis might not have even been on the floor to get hurt. On a blowout, the bench players would have been in.

The very first thought I had when Mali rolled his ankle was, he'd played unlike his normal self up until that play. It was very evident from a fan's perspective. I think the reason is, he was conscious of rolling the ankle again. But given the instruction to drive for the would-be game-winner he only focused on doing just that, giving no pause and no thought to the ankle. That's when he pushed it too far. It was a very sad thought.

[zmz723]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Nobody cares what he did at IU or RI

Yeah, what does it matter what he did at Indiana? AG was awful at Alabama and got fired.
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Yeah, what does it matter what he did at Indiana? AG was awful at Alabama and got fired. Posted via Mobile Device

Revisionist. I’m starting to believe that all of you guys are UDScott alter egos. AG had 1 (one) losing record at Alabama.

2009–10 Alabama 17–15 6–10 T–4th (West)
2010–11 Alabama 25–12 12–4 1st (West) NIT Runner–up
2011–12 Alabama 21–12 9–7 5th NCAA Division I Round of 64
2012–13 Alabama 23–13 12–6 T–2nd NIT Quarterfinal
2013–14 Alabama 13–19 7–11 T–10th
2014–15 Alabama 18–14 8–10 T–8th

I also enjoy how you omit his record at VCU, you want me to go there? Ok:

2006-07 VCU 28–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2007–08 VCU 24–8 15–3 1st NIT First Round
2008–09 VCU 24–10 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
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[maddog07]

Originally Posted by shocka43 On the play where Mali got hurt. There were no options. 5 out and an out of control drive by a player who didn't finish all week in the paint. They went to the spots and watched because that is what they were told to do. The only 2nd option would have been a kick out if help D came to help on the drive. The help wasn't needed because we attacked with the smallest guy on the floor who could be defended one on one. Now here we are.

Spending too much time on one play. Let’s discuss the 23 point collapse. There’s only one way to give that up and that’s not defend the 3 line. The paint was controlled by Holmes. It’s coaching. AG failed miserably to require the kids to stay out on the shooters.
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Revisionist. I’m starting to believe that all of you guys are UDScott alter egos. AG had 1 (one) losing record at Alabama. 2009–10 Alabama 17–15 6–10 T–4th (West) 2010–11 Alabama 25–12 12–4 1st (West) NIT Runner–up 2011–12 Alabama 21–12 9–7 5th NCAA Division I Round of 64 2012–13 Alabama 23–13 12–6 T–2nd NIT Quarterfinal 2013–14 Alabama 13–19 7–11 T–10th 2014–15 Alabama 18–14 8–10 T–8th I also enjoy how you omit his record at VCU, you want me to go there? Ok: 2006-07 VCU 28–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32 2007–08 VCU 24–8 15–3 1st NIT First Round 2008–09 VCU 24–10 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64 Posted via Mobile Device

I don’t think you’re making the case for your argument stronger by posting those stats. So at Alabama he made the NCAAT once in 6 years? I hope we want more then that. If he could emulate his VCU success then I’d agree with you. But at this point in time those years look like the exception, not the rule. He has also never made it past the first weekend which is all concerning.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer I don’t think you’re making the case for your argument stronger by posting those stats. So at Alabama he made the NCAAT once in 6 years? I hope we want more then that. If he could emulate his VCU success then I’d agree with you. But at this point in time those years look like the exception, not the rule. He has also never made it past the first weekend which is all concerning.

Argument could certainly be made his VCU success was based on inheriting future 1st round pick Eric Maynor when he got the job. Had Maynor all three years and ended up being the all time leading scorer in CAA history

AG looks great with a 1st round pick on his team
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Argument could certainly be made his VCU success was based on inheriting future 1st round pick Eric Maynor when he got the job. Had Maynor all three years and ended up being the all time leading scorer in CAA history AG looks great with a 1st round pick on his team Posted via Mobile Device

That’s true of ANY team with a first round pick. This is why Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc…always are at the top.
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[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer They got a PF from Georgia to come in behind Homes and Camara so I don’t buy that Posted via Mobile Device

The guy who's such a project he's red-shirting? That's not what people want. They want to play. They don't have to be starters to get good minutes. Minutes are earned. But people on this board specifically said no one would come be behind Mali. I disagree, but it appears we didn't even try.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan The guy who's such a project he's red-shirting? That's not what people want. They want to play. They don't have to be starters to get good minutes. Minutes are earned. But people on this board specifically said no one would come be behind Mali. I disagree, but it appears we didn't even try.

I agree you that someone would have come. Baker and Rich came into a situation that’s arguably tougher minutes wise
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[podcast411]

Originally Posted by VirgM So we have the same players back plus some additional horses so why are we playing worse then last year???

Because all players have not been back - and some were hurt coming into the season and during it before this tournament.

We have not been and likely will not be at full strength with all players back as expected from last year.

We do need to reset the expectations for this season - but not because of coaching but rather because of injuries - which can happen to any team.

I know I am in the overly optimistic view group and I do really believe even with Mali and Koby out all season - we still can win the A-10 regular season with Mike at the helm. He has shown some of the best natural passing skills. But it will take a healthy Brea besides him to do this.

I would expect we will lose a few more non-conf games.

But I see some of those posting to fire AG as just being even more so biased the other way. It is ridiculous to say AG needs to go. One because that just is not going to happen - The admin knows they have a great coach. The only coach at UD to win Coach of the year (Fact). And one that at the end of a good season is not looking to jump ship. Archie was never long term at UD - we were never anything but a stepping stone to him. PERIOD. So the infatuation with him I do not get.

And lets face facts - UDScott is just an X fan that claims to be a UD fan - if anyone doubts that they just have not been paying attention. He is not a UD fan - period.

[longtimefan67]

Agree with virtually 100% of the post above. TOP 25 prediction was based on the HEALTHY return of Mali; it didn't even take into account injuries to other key players. And if you're all REALLY fans of UD Basketball, quit posting about the firing of AG. Its beyond a ridiculous idea at this point in the season.

[udscott]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Because all players have not been back - and some were hurt coming into the season and during it before this tournament. We have not been and likely will not be at full strength with all players back as expected from last year. We do need to reset the expectations for this season - but not because of coaching but rather because of injuries - which can happen to any team. I know I am in the overly optimistic view group and I do really believe even with Mali and Koby out all season - we still can win the A-10 regular season with Mike at the helm. He has shown some of the best natural passing skills. But it will take a healthy Brea besides him to do this. I would expect we will lose a few more non-conf games. But I see some of those posting to fire AG as just being even more so biased the other way. It is ridiculous to say AG needs to go. One because that just is not going to happen - The admin knows they have a great coach. The only coach at UD to win Coach of the year (Fact). And one that at the end of a good season is not looking to jump ship. Archie was never long term at UD - we were never anything but a stepping stone to him. PERIOD. So the infatuation with him I do not get. And lets face facts - UDScott is just an X fan that claims to be a UD fan - if anyone doubts that they just have not been paying attention. He is not a UD fan - period.

Absolutely hysterical, I’ve been a season ticket holder for over 20 years, average 2 road games a year, been to A-10 tournament about 6-8 times, Orlando once, Charleston once

AG a great coach ? Facts prove otherwise 2 NCAA berths in last 12 years
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[zmz723]

Injuries have only happened to this UD team
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by udscott Absolutely hysterical, I’ve been a season ticket holder for over 20 years, average 2 road games a year, been to A-10 tournament about 6-8 times, Orlando once, Charleston once AG a great coach ? Facts prove otherwise 2 NCAA berths in last 12 years Posted via Mobile Device

But 4 NCAA births in the last 14 years oh selective factual one

[pmcmullen]

Wow, I just really don't have rose enough colored glasses to keep up with some.

I knew AG would be a really good or really bad hire. One way or another, seemed he was staying a while. I hoped for a long positive tenure. I feared a long unpleasant one. We're going the way of AG's Bama tenure. Face it.

[udscott]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 But 4 NCAA births in the last 14 years oh selective factual one

Way to distort the truth, 4/15 years
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by udscott Way to distort the truth, 4/15 years Posted via Mobile Device

Thanks for finally acknowledging AG has 4 NCAA APPEARANCES
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Thanks for finally acknowledging AG has 4 NCAA APPEARANCES Posted via Mobile Device

You say this like it’s impressive. You realize Wright State has been to the tournament more since AG showed up than we have?

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer You say this like it’s impressive. You realize Wright State has been to the tournament more since AG showed up than we have?

Dayton is playing in a significantly more difficult conference than Wright St.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Dayton is playing in a significantly more difficult conference than Wright St.

So it should be easier to make it in a stronger conference that isn’t a one bid league? You’re answers continue to make AG look worse but you somehow feel that you are defending him

[NJFlyr71]

I like AG ... I thought it was a GOOD hire and potentially a bad hire all in the same thought. Let me explain:

I use D Donoher as the prime example. He was a player and alum successful by every category in the record books at UD (as a HC). Yet when it started to unravel with some poor seasons his tenure continued maybe past the point it should have. It finally became painful both from a program standpoint and a personal one that some change had to be made.

The split was acrimonious dividing fans, community and DD himself. Yet it needed to be done. The fact we went into a dumpster with the next hire well that's a story for another day ....

So I thought it was a good hire because his commitment to provide the best for the program as he has 'skin in the game' vs a coach on his way to a bigger and better program a few years later.

So I thought is was a bad hire due to the fact that if things did not work out well there would be the propensity to continue 'as is' for far too long before taking the drastic measure of firing your alum HC.

I DO NOT think we are there yet and I think the desire is all in .... but when OR IF we need to pull the trigger in the future will we do it after it is too late?

I do not wish Sullivan's job.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer So it should be easier to make it in a stronger conference that isn’t a one bid league? You’re answers continue to make AG look worse but you somehow feel that you are defending him

You idiot; if Dayton played in the Horizon league, how often do you think they'd make the Dance based on their RPI the last 20 years? Like 18, 19? You guys talk in circles. Go follow AM at Rhode Island, he's looking for a few good fans.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You idiot; if Dayton played in the Horizon league, how often do you think they'd make the Dance based on their RPI the last 20 years? Like 18, 19? You guys talk in circles. Go follow AM at Rhode Island, he's looking for a few good fans.

I’m intentionally staying out of this fray, but I appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. Every season it’s the same group of Priders that go off the deep end whenever there is adversity with the program. I am as disappointed as anyone with the team’s current performance, but the irrational, knee jerk reaction of some is over the top. Also, It’s not isolated to UD basketball fans either. If you read fan reaction to OSU’s loss to Michigan, the vocal minority wants Ryan Day fired tomorrow morning.
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Monster Man I’m intentionally staying out of this fray, but I appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. Every season it’s the same group of Priders that go off the deep end whenever there is adversity with the program. I am as disappointed as anyone with the team’s current performance, but the irrational, knee jerk reaction of some is over the top. Also, It’s not isolated to UD basketball fans either. If you read fan reaction to OSU’s loss to Michigan, the vocal minority wants Ryan Day fired tomorrow morning. Posted via Mobile Device

Thanks for the support; you're right about everything. There's a few sh1t stirrers that love to mix the pot but go completely silent when all is cruising and Dayton is winning. The sentiment about Day doesn't surprise me either. Fans expect perfection.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You idiot; if Dayton played in the Horizon league, how often do you think they'd make the Dance based on their RPI the last 20 years? Like 18, 19? You guys talk in circles. Go follow AM at Rhode Island, he's looking for a few good fans.

Originally Posted by Monster Man I’m intentionally staying out of this fray, but I appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. Every season it’s the same group of Priders that go off the deep end whenever there is adversity with the program. I am as disappointed as anyone with the team’s current performance, but the irrational, knee jerk reaction of some is over the top. Also, It’s not isolated to UD basketball fans either. If you read fan reaction to OSU’s loss to Michigan, the vocal minority wants Ryan Day fired tomorrow morning. Posted via Mobile Device

How many at large bids has AG gotten dayton? Maybe we should be in Horizon where maybe we can actually win the league. I don’t care about AM. Once he left I moved on.

I also don’t consider this to be off the deep end. Every year I see people on here complain we should be in the BE when we can’t even win the A10. For a group who thinks we’re on the level of Kansas and Kentucky we sure don’t have the results the past 6 years to back it up.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 You idiot; if Dayton played in the Horizon league, how often do you think they'd make the Dance based on their RPI the last 20 years? Like 18, 19? You guys talk in circles. Go follow AM at Rhode Island, he's looking for a few good fans.

Not a good self-image you paint resorting to name-calling. There's been some very valid points made, points that you rush to defend by countering, but regularly have fallen short in doing so. I could go on reading this back-and-forth without commenting because a few members are making points in which I agree. Your defense of AG, though admirable, isn't a winnable one so far.

[FLYER5]

If UD was in the Horizon we could not recruit at the level we have been in the A10. That's elementary. AG and staff have gone above and beyond on the recruiting front in my opinion. I definitely tip my hat to them. But coaching has been nowhere near as high-level as the recruiting. I think it's easily seen.