If UD Scott comes on this board after this…

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Monster Man I’m intentionally staying out of this fray, but I appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. Every season it’s the same group of Priders that go off the deep end whenever there is adversity with the program. I am as disappointed as anyone with the team’s current performance, but the irrational, knee jerk reaction of some is over the top. Also, It’s not isolated to UD basketball fans either. If you read fan reaction to OSU’s loss to Michigan, the vocal minority wants Ryan Day fired tomorrow morning. Posted via Mobile Device

The same group? This is the biggest group I have seen. If you and Longtime want to keep rooting for a mediocre team that doesn't meet the expectations set by even the athletic department, let alone fans, you keep doing that. I personally, want better that mediocre. With the amount we pay for seat fees, tickets, ect, we should be allowed to expect more.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 The same group? This is the biggest group I have seen. If you and Longtime want to keep rooting for a mediocre team that doesn't meet the expectations set by even the athletic department, let alone fans, you keep doing that. I personally, want better that mediocre. With the amount we pay for seat fees, tickets, ect, we should be allowed to expect more.

I've also been keeping out of this back and forth,
but have to add a comment..
you said "if you and Longtime want to keep rooting blah blah,
you keep doing that"..
I don't care what the situation, what scenario
you can add me to them.
YES I WILL ROOT FOR THIS TEAM! that doesn't mean I don't
want better. we defo should be allowed to expect more.

we can do both... I will always root for this team, why
would a Flyer fan NOT root for the team?

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 If UD was in the Horizon we could not recruit at the level we have been in the A10. That's elementary. AG and staff have gone above and beyond on the recruiting front in my opinion. I definitely tip my hat to them. But coaching has been nowhere near as high-level as the recruiting. I think it's easily seen.

I havnt questioned his recruiting. There will be home runs and then a few swing and misses. It’s his X and O coaching that I’m not happy with

Originally Posted by steverino015 I've also been keeping out of this back and forth, but have to add a comment.. you said "if you and Longtime want to keep rooting blah blah, you keep doing that".. I don't care what the situation, what scenario you can add me to them. YES I WILL ROOT FOR THIS TEAM! that doesn't mean I don't want better. we defo should be allowed to expect more. we can do both... I will always root for this team, why would a Flyer fan NOT root for the team?

I assume we’ll all be Flyer fans win or lose. But that doesn’t mean we have to sit back and just accept it

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steverino015 I've also been keeping out of this back and forth, but have to add a comment.. you said "if you and Longtime want to keep rooting blah blah, you keep doing that".. I don't care what the situation, what scenario you can add me to them. YES I WILL ROOT FOR THIS TEAM! that doesn't mean I don't want better. we defo should be allowed to expect more. we can do both... I will always root for this team, why would a Flyer fan NOT root for the team?

You are correct, root was the wrong word. Satisfied would have been better wording.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 You are correct, root was the wrong word. Satisfied would have been better wording.

I can see we're "if you want to root" can be taken two ways and I assumed you meant that you're not satisfied rooting for a bad or mediocre team. In other words "I don't like rooting for a mediocre team but I have to because I will always root for the Flyers no matter what."

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 If UD was in the Horizon we could not recruit at the level we have been in the A10. That's elementary. AG and staff have gone above and beyond on the recruiting front in my opinion. I definitely tip my hat to them. But coaching has been nowhere near as high-level as the recruiting. I think it's easily seen.

It's easily seen. Many don't want to admit it.

It won't change until the whales that drive the decisions tell UD enough is enough.

The criticism is fair. This season better turn around or the fire AG crowd will simply get bigger.

This program is not meeting expectations. Period.

[longtimefan67]

I don’t think you all really get where I’m coming from. You see me as an excuse maker, apologist for AG, etc…don’t get me wrong, i’m just as upset with record and performance this year as anyone. The difference is that A) I’m not spending $4K/year on season tickets - so maybe my frustration tolerance is much higher B) Don’t think this is a matter of “coaching” since I have SEEN that with the right personnel or maybe buy-in from the players, a special season can happen (so it’s not a coaching style) C) Have seen what happens when an irrational coaching change is made (JOB-1989) and D) understand that a lot of injuries can really skew the results.

If AG had never come close to a winning season, maybe I’d buy into it’s time for a change. We sat through season after season of BG mediocrity and was all on lets move onto a new coach bandwagon. AG is the first coach since the Blackburn/Donoher era to have national media talking about Dayton on a daily basis in 19-20 season and 2 years later you’re all THAT frustrated you want a coaching change….WOW.
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	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 I don’t think you all really get where I’m coming from. You see me as an excuse maker, apologist for AG, etc…don’t get me wrong, i’m just as upset with record and performance this year as anyone. The difference is that A) I’m not spending $4K/year on season tickets - so maybe my frustration tolerance is much higher B) Don’t think this is a matter of “coaching” since I have SEEN that with the right personnel or maybe buy-in from the players, a special season can happen (so it’s not a coaching style) C) Have seen what happens when an irrational coaching change is made (JOB-1989) and D) understand that a lot of injuries can really skew the results. If AG had never come close to a winning season, maybe I’d buy into it’s time for a change. We sat through season after season of BG mediocrity and was all on lets move onto a new coach bandwagon. AG is the first coach since the Blackburn/Donoher era to have national media talking about Dayton on a daily basis in 19-20 season and 2 years later you’re all THAT frustrated you want a coaching change….WOW. Posted via Mobile Device

I am not calling for a change. I am calling for a realistic look at the results, given expectations and resources.

Everyone thought after the E8 run and the 2020 season the tides were going to turn permanently. We have the personnel according to the talking heads and the end data doesn't show that. Someone needs to ask why. This isn't one game with injuries. There are trends.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[udscott]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 I don’t think you all really get where I’m coming from. You see me as an excuse maker, apologist for AG, etc…don’t get me wrong, i’m just as upset with record and performance this year as anyone. The difference is that A) I’m not spending $4K/year on season tickets - so maybe my frustration tolerance is much higher B) Don’t think this is a matter of “coaching” since I have SEEN that with the right personnel or maybe buy-in from the players, a special season can happen (so it’s not a coaching style) C) Have seen what happens when an irrational coaching change is made (JOB-1989) and D) understand that a lot of injuries can really skew the results. If AG had never come close to a winning season, maybe I’d buy into it’s time for a change. We sat through season after season of BG mediocrity and was all on lets move onto a new coach bandwagon. AG is the first coach since the Blackburn/Donoher era to have national media talking about Dayton on a daily basis in 19-20 season and 2 years later you’re all THAT frustrated you want a coaching change….WOW. Posted via Mobile Device

You’re such a FRAUD !
Archie Miller took us to 4 straight NCAA Appearances and we were the talk of the country for 4 years and you completely leave that out of your statement
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	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by udscott You’re such a FRAUD ! Archie Miller took us to 4 straight NCAA Appearances and we were the talk of the country for 4 years and you completely leave that out of your statement Posted via Mobile Device

Appearances in the Dance don’t make you the “Talk of the country”- lots of schools get in year after year. Having a National POY and a National COY the SAME year makes you the “Talk of the Country”. Now go clean your moms basement
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