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Tech Expert Reveals Ga. Voting Machines Connected To Chinese Vendor

Tech Expert Reveals Ga. Voting Machines Connected To Chinese Vendor.

https://www.oann.com/tech-expert-rev...hinese-vendor/
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Tech Expert Reveals Ga. Voting Machines Connected To Chinese Vendor.

https://www.oann.com/tech-expert-rev...hinese-vendor/
Ah yes, the "Tech Expert." Most likely someone's grandson who's "good with computers."
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Tech Expert Reveals Ga. Voting Machines Connected To Chinese Vendor.

https://www.oann.com/tech-expert-rev...hinese-vendor/
A Chinese vendor and a dead dictator.
I wonder if this Chinese vendor ends up being an alien lizard after all.
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GA governor Kemp down big to Collins in GOP GA governor race primary election poll.

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This poll is meaningless. We’ll see how things change when Perdue and Loeffler enter the gubernatorial race.
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Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3B defamation suit against ex-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dominion-...195836812.html

I wonder if she will call Hugo Chavez to testify.
Or maybe the Chinese firm.
Will Trump contribute to her defense fund from the money he raised selling the big lie.
Will Rudy lead her defense team?
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Voter Fraud Investigation Continues

The Republicans in the Phoenix area (where most of the liberals live) have subpoenaed for the ballots and related stuff from the 2020 election and the judge has granted their request.

Could it be that Republicans will continue to audit the election in the swing states and find that there was widespread fraud?
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The republic party has the right to investigate. What they should refrain from doing is perpetuate the big lie without evidence. They can count and recount until the cows come home. They will find the usual small counting errors and the rare case of fraud. Mass fraud at a scale that would overturn the election did not happen. If recounting votes is the best thing for them to do with their lives, more power to them.

In the meantime, Ms. Powell is shaking in her booties at the prospect of transferring all her wealth to Dominion. I doubt very many smart lawyers are going to follow in her footsteps and make unfounded fraud claims anymore.
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Ariz. Lawmaker Seeks SCOTUS Review Of Lawsuit Challenging Mail-In Ballots.

Nearly three months after the general election, lawmakers across the country continue to push investigations addressing concerns of widespread election fraud.

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Rand Paul Insists 'Great Deal Of Evidence' Of Election Fraud.

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In a bit of irony, Amazon is protesting that their employees can vote by mail for the union certification election. Of course they are.
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In a bit of irony, Amazon is protesting that their employees can vote by mail for the union certification election. Of course they are.
I saw that and meant to comment on it. Why would Amazon rail against a mail-in unionization vote? For obvious reasons! You cannot have a secure election through the mail without thorough anti-fraud measures in place!

It sure is uncomfortable when the shoe is on the other foot!

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Rand Paul delivered a much needed beatdown to the ABC hack.

George Stephanopoulos insists there is no other side to the election story except that it was a fair election. Shows how journalists fail to even consider two sides to every story. Rand Paul delivered a much needed beatdown to the ABC hack.

https://www.conservativenewsdaily.ne...eid=8afe485846

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1353345742170165249

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Rand Paul Insists 'Great Deal Of Evidence' Of Election Fraud.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ran...r=010502s3gsx3
Two things Mich:. 1) Paul voted to accept the electoral college votes. 2) By pointing out that there were irregularities during an election carried out under the most exceptional circumstances is definitely not suggesting fraud. It's acknowledging the obvious, i.e., there were irregularities, understandable considering the circumstances....and insufficient to affect the outcome as Paul states. That's the critical point.

Meanwhile, there is evidence of an attempt to steal the election.....an attempt by the Trump camp beginning months before the first vote was cast. Please read Jonah Goldberg's article linked in post #3694 above.

The Trump campaign to seed and trumpet the idea that the election was stolen by Biden was premeditated...and much evidence in the form of Trump's own words supports that. "The only way I lose is if the election is stolen"....over and over again for months. And a reputed refusal to say he'll accept the results of the election months before it's even held.

The inevitable but insignificant irregularities did occur. But even kooky Paul acknowledges that they would not change the outcome. A conclusion also reached by over 60 judges and the Attorney General.

The evidence is overwhelmingly against your position, yet you won't give it up. Why? One reason: You don;t like the outcome of the election.

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The evidence is overwhelmingly against your position, yet you won't give it up. Why? One reason: You don;t like the outcome of the election.
What else would I expect a never Trumper to say?
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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani Over Claims of Rigged Election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dominio...on-11611580874

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Two things Mich: 1) Rand Paul is a first class kook and everyone knows that....regardless of the issue. 2) Paul voted to accept the electoral college votes. 3) By pointing out that there were irregularities during an election carried out under the most exceptional circumstances is definitely not suggesting fraud. It's acknowledging the obvious, i.e., there were irregularities, understandable considering the circumstances....and insufficient to affect the outcome as Paul states. That's the critical point.

Meanwhile, there is evidence of an attempt to steal the election.....an attempt by the Trump camp beginning months before the first vote was cast. Please read Jonah Goldberg's article linked in post #3694 above.

The Trump campaign to seed and trumpet the idea that the election was stolen by Biden was premeditated...and much evidence in the form of Trump's own words supports that. "The only way I lose is if the election is stolen"....over and over again for months. And a reputed refusal to say he'll accept the results of the election months before it's even held.

The inevitable but insignificant irregularities did occur. But even kooky Paul acknowledges that they would not change the outcome. A conclusion also reached by over 60 judges and the Attorney General.

The evidence is overwhelmingly against your position, yet you won't give it up. Why? One reason: You don;t like the outcome of the election.
This says it all about Goldberg, like that other kook Nit Romney, Goldberg has been characterized as, "A consistent critic of Donald Trump since before the election of 2016 and during Trump's presidency."

Secondly, Goldberg only gives personal opinions and draws conclusions from opinions, so where are the facts and the legal evidence that what he is selling is true?
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Most of the election challenges in court were dismissed for "standing". Does anyone here know what that means?

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This says it all about Goldberg, like that other kook Nit Romney, Goldberg has been characterized as, "A consistent critic of Donald Trump since before the election of 2016 and during Trump's presidency."

Secondly, Goldberg only gives personal opinions and draws conclusions from opinions, so where are the facts and the legal evidence that what he is selling is true?
Jack, we recently had a presidential election as we do every four years. I presume you've been around for quite a large number of them as have I. During campaign season the candidates say all sorts of things about their opponents, some true, some not....some blatant lies. That's politics. And the people that reach the level of campaigning for president are not choir boys/girls or they wouldn't have reached that level in politics. I'll bet you agree with that.

But never in my lifetime have I experienced a campaigning presidential candidate repeatedly refuse to say he would accept the election outcome when asked....well in advance of the election. Trump was pressed on this issue over and over and not once said he would accept the election results.

Thus began the drumbeat that fueled Trumspsters with the line, "The only way I lose the election is if the other sided cheats...if the election is stolen from me". And on that basis the strategy Goldberg opines took on a life of its own and still lives. If the opponents margin of victory was razor thin one might understand how intelligent people still believed there was a credible basis for the claim.

But the election was not close. Biden's margin of victory was relatively large. And in the state where the election was close, GA, every outlandish claim of election fraud was proven to be false. A few of those GA claims have resulted in big time law suits against Members of Trumps legal team. It's going to cost them.

The GA election officials, all Trump supporters, painstakingly refuted claim after claim, explaining to the President that his information simply was wrong with no data to support it. While they had data proving their position. And in his own words for all of us to hear the President pleaded with them to do anything to change the data so as to tell a different story...probably a crime in itself.

We all heard that. And you are saying that Goldberg's analysis is based on his opinion with no factual evidence offered in support. Jack, Trump will be very fortunate if he is able to avoid prosecution for the illegal efforts he and his team made to rig the election in his favor....to "steal" the election from Biden.

And then he follows that up by interfering with the electoral certification process inciting a riot by his supporters who readily admit they were responding to his call for action.
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. But the election was not close. Biden's margin of victory was relatively large. And in the state where the election was close, GA, every outlandish claim of election fraud was proven to be false. A few of those GA claims have resulted in big time law suits against Members of Trumps legal team. It's going to cost them.
Can you point me to the cases where election fraud was proven false? I'm interested in looking over the details.
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Can you point me to the cases where election fraud was proven false? I'm interested in looking over the details.
Hi Fudd....a quickie response to your question...again focusing on GA.

First, you know that you can't prove something didn't happen. Therefore, it's incumbent upon the accuser to prove something did happen, e.g. fraud.

Trump claimed that thousands of underage voters voted in GA. GA election officials told Trump that there was no a single case of that happening.

Trump said that thousands of dead people voted in GA. GA officials said they found two such cases...and it wasn't fraud it was a family member using a ballot sent to a deceased member of the family.

And the Giuliani/Powell teams accusations re voting machine software and hardware have resulted in retractions on Fox and lawsuits.

As I said Fudd, you can't prove something didn't happen. But the accusations of fraud have not been supported by credible evidence of any significance, which is what AG Barr said.
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By the way, the full transcript and audio of Trump's call with GA's Sec of State is readily available. Just key in Trump phone call or something like that.

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Two things Mich: 1) Rand Paul is a first class kook and everyone knows that....regardless of the issue.
Rand Paul is a kook? I didn't even need to read the rest of your rant, this statement alone renders the rest of the post moot.

This is at the heart of where people like you and I disagree. I think we need more politicians like Paul, those who aren't afraid to go against the grain and just blindly toe the RINO party line. Rand Paul is far being a "kook." I used to think like that, but these past four years has opened my eyes. We need more like Rand Paul.

Paul just recognizes that our election process is currently ripe for fraud and not trustworthy, nothing radical or kooky about that. Our elections system is the one avenue and we have to make a difference, it must be protected.
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Paul just recognizes that our election process is currently ripe for fraud and not trustworthy, nothing radical or kooky about that. Our elections system is the one avenue and we have to make a difference, it must be protected.
Yep, and pretty soon people like Manchin will be saying that Rand should not be a Senator, just like Cruz and Hawley.
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Why didn't they do a signature audit in GA? Or the fake water leak in the ATL? 900k people really registered and voted in WI on election day? What about all the ballots with impossible sent and received dates in PA? What about all the bullying, running the same ballot thru the machine many times, dead people voting, problem pile shenanigans, etc. in Detroit? That is 4 states, enough to change the outcome.

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First, you know that you can't prove something didn't happen. Therefore, it's incumbent upon the accuser to prove something did happen, e.g. fraud.
What happened to this mindset the past fours? During the entire Trump presidency, it was the complete opposite.
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Most of the election challenges in court were dismissed for "standing". Does anyone here know what that means?

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"Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome." So in other words if someone in Georgia brings a suit against the state on a Trump/Biden election question, the judge can say, you are not Trump or Biden, so dismiss for standing.

Standing is common general phrase judges use to get rid of cases they really do not want to hear. Courts historically have never wanted to hear cases that rule on election issues, so they will use "lack of standing", whenever possible.
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I wonder if these lawsuits against Sidney Powell, Rudy G., etc. will backfire by causing the evidence to be aired out?
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I wonder if these lawsuits against Sidney Powell, Rudy G., etc. will backfire by causing the evidence to be aired out?
They might have to allow those Dominion voting machines to be investigated in the Democrat battleground states. The governors there have blocked any inspection thus far.
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They might have to allow those Dominion voting machines to be investigated in the Democrat battleground states. The governors there have blocked any inspection thus far.
Isn't there something called discovery in trials? Everything gets aired out.
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Isn't there something called discovery in trials? Everything gets aired out.
I hope so. Need a lawyer opinion. Where is TA111?
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As expected, GOP-controlled state legislatures aiming to tighten election laws. Thank God!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-el...election-laws/
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So long as Powell and Giuliani bring facts to bear on the matter, and not innuendos and unfounded allegations as they have up to now, nobody is going to have a problem with them. I would think that both the Democrat and Republic parties would want safe and secure elections, and can likely move forward in a bipartisan manner on this particular issue.
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I would think that both the Democrat and Republic parties would want safe and secure elections, and can likely move forward in a bipartisan manner on this particular issue.

You cannot be serious. The Democrats want safe and secure elections? They don't even want people to have to prove who they are in order to vote. Thanks, I needed a laugh today.
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These GOP state legislatures will be accused of being racist, anti-democratic, pro-disenfranchisement, poll taxers...every name in the book will be hurled at them...protesters will probably storm the state legislatures.
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You cannot be serious. The Democrats want safe and secure elections? They don't even want people to have to prove who they are in order to vote. Thanks, I needed a laugh today.

I obviously disagree with your characterization. The democrats oppose the methods used by Republicans sometimes, especially in the south, to disadvantage and suppress the vote of a specific segment of the electorate that favors Democrats. You seem to interpret that to mean that democrats want any human that shows up at a polling station to be able to vote, multiple times if they so choose. That is not what the Democrats want. If election fraud is identified, I am willing to bet that Democrats will be just as eager to nip it in the bud as Republicans. No need to politicize the most basic of our democratic principles.
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I remember a couple years ago someone here started a list of things a person needs a photo ID for. The list probably had about 20 or 25 things on it which required a photo ID. But if you suggest that a person should need a photo ID to vote you are a racist.
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Excellent point

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I obviously disagree with your characterization. The democrats oppose the methods used by Republicans sometimes, especially in the south, to disadvantage and suppress the vote of a specific segment of the electorate that favors Democrats. You seem to interpret that to mean that democrats want any human that shows up at a polling station to be able to vote, multiple times if they so choose. That is not what the Democrats want. If election fraud is identified, I am willing to bet that Democrats will be just as eager to nip it in the bud as Republicans. No need to politicize the most basic of our democratic principles.
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I remember a couple years ago someone here started a list of things a person needs a photo ID for. The list probably had about 20 or 25 things on it which required a photo ID. But if you suggest that a person should need a photo ID to vote you are a racist.
I have never voted without having to show my ID. Recently I fractured five ribs in an accident and I had to show my photo ID before I could even get an X-ray in a hospital under emergency circumstances.

As for conditions in the South...a person walking around unable to offer minimal proof of who they are probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. Fercryinoutloud, you need a photo ID for everything!
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Frisco, what a bigoted and completely nonsense comment about the South!
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Frisco, what a bigoted and completely nonsense comment about the South!
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Sorry you consider my statement bigoted. That is not what I intended.
Unless you consider the ACLU also bigoted, follow the link below to shed some light on the statement I made.

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The Georgia Phone Call

There is hardly an aspect of the election fraud issue that has not been hashed out in this thread. All views have been expressed, very strong views, both by rock hard Trumpsters, by those referred to a never-Trumpers, and by everyone in between.

I'm willing to make a bet though. I'll bet not one of those commenting has read/listened to the transcript of the January 3 phone call between Trump and his team and GA Secretary of State Raffensperger and his team of election officials.

I'm reasonably confident of that because the phone call lasted an hour. And even speed reading and skipping rapidly through sections will take at least a half hour.

Today I did just that. Previously I listened to just the "juicy" parts of the call. But, I bit the bullet today and read though the entire transcript.

I issue a friendly challenge to those offering opinions on the "election fraud" thread. Invest the time, at least 30 minutes, read/listen to the GA phone call transcript. It's enlightening to say the least....and whatever your opinion, it's worth the effort.

There has been much talk about evidence or lack thereof in this discussion. Reading/listening to the transcript places you as close as you'll ever get to the heart of this matter such that you cab form you own opinion directly.
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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani Over Claims of Rigged Election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dominio...on-11611580874

Another Trump lawyer could go broke for perpetuating the big lie.
Bring It On.

Giuliani: Dominion Suit Is Act Of Intimidation By ‘Hate-Filled’ Left

However, President Trump’s attorney took the suit in stride, saying it will allow him to investigate the company’s history, finances and practices fully.

“We get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of,” Giuliani said. “But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. So, let’s have a trial by combat.”

Giuliani said he will be filing a countersuit against Dominion for violating the Constitutional right to free speech and the ability of lawyers to defend their clients vigorously.

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