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Halftime and Dayton up 23-20.
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Post players fumbling the ball again. Instead of taking ball straight up the take to floor where it's easily stripped.

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Old 02-12-2020, 09:22 PM
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Dayton "scorers" not exactly lighting it up either...

Scaife 1-7 and Whalen 2-11
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Dayton trails 35-34 after 3 qtr.
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Breen taking over this game.
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Wow dreaded 4th qtr woes. Didn't bring A game today. Let's see what they are made of. Finish strong ladies.
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Dayton runs off 7 straight points to regain lead 41-39!! Seems like they took 20 shots to do it, though.
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Wow dreaded 4th qtr woes. Didn't bring A game today. Let's see what they are made of. Finish strong ladies.
Letís face it we donít have an A game. Forty the conference is so weak b can get it done in the a10.
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Post players only ones scoring for Dayton now.
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Scaife just can't hit anything tonight.
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I don't think either team wants to win this one.
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Dayton wins 52-51 on two FT by Scaife with 9 seconds left!!

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Scaife moves to #11 all-time scoring with 1354 -- next up Tammy Stritenberger (1380).
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An ugly W is a W.
That is about ugly win #12 in-a-row....this team doesn't do anything easy or pretty.
Sorry forgot about the LaSalle game...1 easy one in there
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Don't think I would want to be in that locker room right now. But they are undefeated in A-10 play.
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Anyone know the consequence of the technical foul on the UMass coach after the game was over?
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Man that was ugly. I thought Whalen was trying to make the Dude Perfect trick-shot team with some of her out-of-control one-handed flings at the basket. She's got to assert more shot discipline when dribbling inside the paint. If its not there, find a teammate on the kickout. That said, she hit a big three late.

We fouled too much, gave up some killer O-boards, and almost gave up a 5-pt play at the end. The offense was about the usual -- poor shooting and maybe a full dozen missed point-blank shots. But somehow we got out of this game with a W. The UMass guard that can shoot threes and Breen were tough. Breen was by far the best player on the court. She'd start for us.

Despite her sitting 1st semester, I think she makes All A10. UMass may upset some teams in the A10 Tourney. The Donnelly girl is very tall and can alter things inside.

Their coach wasn't happy at the end. I think he had a case on a couple possessions including the foul on Scaife which I thought was pretty weak and helped us get the W. But the throw into the backcourt at the end -- if he wanted a foul on that halfcourt try then I think he was stretching it.
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We gave this one away and then stole it back. Had a 4 point lead with 46 seconds to go and give up a 5 point possession - a hoop and a missed free throw followed by an offensive rebound put-back with a foul. Then we get a weak foul call with 9 seconds left and Scaife buries them both for the win. Incidentally, Scaife was 1-13 from the field for the game. Go figure.

We finally got some inside offense. Whitehead with 11 points and 6 boards and Chandler with 10 points and 11 boards. Chandler really carried us when we were needing offense in the 4th quarter. We shoot our typical 33% and hold UMass to our typical defense of 34%. Current win streak of 13 in a row is tied for 4th in the country.

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Glad Breen didn't get the W. She could have been the difference maker for the flyers. Opting out of LOI at the last minute is not very clsssy.
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Glad Breen didn't get the W. She could have been the difference maker for the flyers. Opting out of LOI at the last minute is not very clsssy.
It felt like she was McKinley Wrighting us out there on the court. Looking for her pound of flesh.
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Our offense is a rotating one between parimeter shooting one game and post play the next. Need both if any chance of dancing.
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Glad Breen didn't get the W. She could have been the difference maker for the flyers. Opting out of LOI at the last minute is not very clsssy.
Jabir leaving at last minute not cool either.

But yeah, what could have been with Scaife, Breen and Jaelynn Penn!
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Yea agree his departing the way he did Mars his legacy at UD. Barney will have a fit over it but the truth hurst. All he had to do was take a leave of absence.

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I guess the point is when Jabir left it was only right to allow Breen out of the LOI.
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I guess the point is when Jabir left it was only right to allow Breen out of the LOI.
I think that's standard for all sports. Actually, as long as a player has not "reported" to the university by beginning classes, I don't believe there's any consequence to not honoring the LOI. That is, I do not think a university has to "allow" a player out.

This is my understanding -- if anyone knows for sure, please chime in.
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Agreed -- I was trying to refute the assertion that Breen leaving AFTER Jabir left first was "not very classy"
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Gotcha. I don't think it was "not classy" nor unexpected. One can certainly understand a player (especially an 17 or 18 y/o player) facing a lot of uncertainty when a coach departs a school, not knowing if the new coach will even want players recruited by the previous coach.
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Let me explain why it was not classy. She could have and shoukd have asked out when Jabir left. But she didnt, she left as the players were showing up for classes. Waiting as long as she did made it nearly impossible to recruit her replacement. Timing is everything.
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As I look through the archives, UD announced her signing in November 2016, after Shauna took the reins in September.

So yes, I suppose she should not have signed her NLI if she had doubts about the new coaching direction. I guess that's the risk you take with teenagers (and their parents)...
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I guess the point is when Jabir left it was only right to allow Breen out of the LOI.
You are right. WHEN Jabir left....but she gave no indication she wanted out till it was time to show up for classes. Asking out WHEN Jabir left would have given coach Green time to look for her replacement.

Just like when Jabir bailed on the team just weeks before season was to begin. Had he made that decision at end of season then a proper search could gave been made. As it turned out we were lucky Shaun green was available. His late decision cost us two recruiting classes
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His late decision cost us two recruiting classes
Exactly! This is a point a few (mainly one or two) refuse to acknowledge when complaining about the transfers that Shauna brought in late to fill the gaps.
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Four years later still complaining about the departure of Coach Jabir - simply amazing.
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Four years later and Barney is still defending him. Your man crush is well noted.

Here's a clue Barney, stop bringing jabir up and defending him and we'll stop replying.

Take off your jabir glasses and see it for what it is.
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I agree with Barney, we need to move on. Not of fan of what transpired at all, but the fact that Jabir is the problem with the program is just not true. Would we be better off if he had left months earlier, who knows. The thing is, move on and either enjoy or complain about what we have because of our current coach not one that left before these players got here.
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Jabir has been gone for 4 years, time to move on. Not interested in what he does in Florida. Breen is not a Flyer, she chose a different path.
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And that's the thing I didn't bring him up - he was brought up because of the success of Sam Breen last night and if UMASS makes it to the A-10 tourney here I certainly don't plan on bringing it up in a post game press conference.
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That's fine and dandy seabass and Johnc move on but it relates to the present team. If you believe the timing if Jabir's
Departure had nothing to do with our present situation then your in denial. Truth is we lost two recruiting classes and that's a fact. Our present team is made up of transfer due to the loss of those two classes. In meantime we'll keep it real.

Barnew you made a special thread to follow Jabir's record. So don't pretend you didnt.

Everyone is entitled to there opinions but facts count too.
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UD is 11-0 and UMass 6-6 and we beat them. Nuff said to Breen.
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Foul or nah?

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Seen far worse not called. But just a couple minutes earlier a UMass player had a breakaway layup and was literally never touched -- not even by a fingernail -- and they called the And-1. Defenders cannot afford to even phantom swipe anymore -- just the pretense of going for the ball or player will get you whistled for a foul because the officials expect contact and call what they think will happen rather than what actually did.
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Foul or nah?

https://twitter.com/DavidPJablonski/...00430682263552
In looking at the video, it seems the foul was actually called on the third contact. You can tell this by watching the referee.

The first contact was when Scaife ran into the defender. No call but a charge/block could have been called. IMHOP, a charge if anything, but not a likely call at that point in the game.
The second contact was when Scaife grabbed the loose ball and put up the wild shot. Still no call and no definitive contact.
The third contact is when Scaife tries to grab and go for the loose ball and is either pushed or pulled to the floor. This is when the referee blows the whistle and calls the foul.
Perhaps a foul but often never called in that situation. Let's just call it a fortuitous call.
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Seen far worse not called. But just a couple minutes earlier a UMass player had a breakaway layup and was literally never touched -- not even by a fingernail -- and they called the And-1. Defenders cannot afford to even phantom swipe anymore -- just the pretense of going for the ball or player will get you whistled for a foul because the officials expect contact and call what they think will happen rather than what actually did.
accomplished coaches will always say that one bad call doesn't decide a game,
nor a blown layup or turnover. It's the body of the game that is the deciding factor. eg Team a is a 10 point favorite and loses by a point at the free throw line made possible by a bad, bad call. Do you blame the ref(s) for a bad call or your teams' poor performance?
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