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Old 02-14-2020, 10:21 AM
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Obi Toppin the Media Phenom

I hope everyone here is understanding the player we have in ONE OBI TOPPIN. Yes, I’m sure you do! But consider this, a program such as UD even with its great history has not seen a player of this magnitude this often and maybe for the first time in its’ history a player generating this much publicity. In the era of social media, 24/7 TV sports shows and talking heads on the radio, OBI has certainly been a topic of discussion.

A previous era when Velvet was displaying the talents and skills of a high level player none of these social and media avenues were thought of. Hell we weren't affiliated with any conference at the time so you could say only the local and surrounding region knew of Roosevelt Chapman during his time here. A few appearances in the NIT (by the early 80’s having lost some of its’ luster) presented some end of season attention as fleeting as it was, still prevented Velvet from much national recognition. It was only during Chapman’s senior year in the NCAA T run to the Elite Eight did he get his national recognition. The performance he had against Wayman Tisdale of Oklahoma (who BTW was very much talked about on the national scene and an AA) led many to believe that the UD-OK game would be the end of UD’s little improbable run. Instead along with many other players who contributed, Chapman battled Tisdale basket for basket in a great game of a #10 seed against a #2 seed, Oklahoma.

Chapman was quoted that on “Saturday, we’ll find out who the real All-American is”. After the game in which Chapman scored 41 to Tisdale’s 36, Tisdale stated, “He’s a great player. I always knew he was great. I’ve heard of Roosevelt before.” That telling phrase that Tisdale had heard of him rather than seen Chapman goes to why this era, this player we have now is something very special.

(Yes, you were wondering is this about Chapman or OBI? … And …. we finally get to move on! Whew!!)


The next national NCAA T run to the Elite Eight was composed of a team that had no significant national figure … maybe one of the “Truest of Teams” we have had here at UD. Yes, national exposure was higher. The attention took place more during the run based upon the growth of multiple media outlets and pre-game and post game talking head TV and cable shows, but again it was during and not while we were traveling on the ramp up to the T. Not quite like 1984 as we leaped into the national scene but similar still in a way.

Fast forward (finally!) to now the present situation.

From almost the first game of the season (in Maui) to now we have been on all manner of social media (Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc) and those 24/7 sports cable shows and broadcast games. And to see a picture of OBI wearing #1 and Dayton spread across his chest on multiple internet sites, MAN ARE YOU KIDDING ME? And why? Is this team a “true team” qualifier? Most likely. But what ingredient stirs the news and attention that most programs covet? A player of such magnitude that no one, almost absolutely NO ONE can say they haven’t heard of one Obi Toppin let alone never saw him, somewhere at some time, every week, anywhere you look on these media outlets.

Obi has been the media star of the team and like a solar system, he casts the shine and warmth on the other bodies surrounding him. Attention paid to the eco-system of players and program, has been displayed through the whole season placing everything about the institution and program in the national consciousness.

Out of nowhere (who in the national media thought of us before Maui?) where maybe even the fanatical of fan could not have imagined were UD stands now. UD finds itself at a level that may only have been experienced in those late 50’s and early 60’s NIT’s bolstered by the powerful print media in NY where, what they said and how they said it was not challenged. A household name which faded over time, wandering in the desert as an independent, a poor hiring decision, conference disfranchisement and eclipsed by Power 5 programs, 5 Star athletes, and lack of TV exposure.

So here we are, watching this significant event which some of you have never experienced, and perhaps all of us have never seen before, splashed across our consciousness derived out of those media outlets, on-line social media apps, in the digital world where everything, ... everything is bigger than life.

So Obi Toppin has placed this school, this program on his back and placed it within plain sight of everyone, everywhere. As some may lament that we are no longer “under the radar” it sure feels better to be in that bright sunshine Obi has cast upon us all.

Enjoy his time here. It will surely be fleeting.

Now, will the program be challenged to maintain this national consciousness?

Who will provide that spark to maintain the light shinning upon the program?

Or as has happened in previous sparks of national exposure, will Dayton be like that Super Nova, disappearing as a faint glimmer of light?
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Obi Toppin has shot less than 50 percent in only two of Dayton's 24 games this season.

Dude is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

The epitome of efficiency.
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We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Thanks to all the great Flyer players, coaches, and fans of the past. Without them we would not be here where we are today.

If we wouldn't have been invited and played in the Maui tourney this year … who knows were we would sit today … with Obi now blotting out the sun with his dunks. Obi didn't need Maui but that is where the social eclipse started … where all the stars started to be aligned.

Always remember being a fan today, supporting UD, will impact where the UD MBB program will be in the future. We stand on the shoulders of giants.

If not you … who will support UD? I plan to make it to all the NCAA T games to support UD.
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We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Thanks to all the great Flyer players, coaches, and fans of the past. Without them we would not be here where we are today.

If we wouldn't have been invited and played in the Maui tourney this year … who knows were we would sit today … with Obi now blotting out the sun with his dunks. Obi didn't need Maui but that is where the social eclipse started … where all the stars started to be aligned.

Always remember being a fan today, supporting UD, will impact where the UD MBB program will be in the future. We stand on the shoulders of giants.

If not you … who will support UD? I plan to make it to all the NCAA T games to support UD.
This team also makes me retroactively have a lot more patience with some of our teams in the past. It shows you how good of a team, with how good of a player you need to be dominant in the A10,,,and win those A10 road games that always pained me in the past. Its tough out there, and these guys are still kids/younng men. I appreciate those who decide to where the D.
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Old 02-14-2020, 12:36 PM
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I will say, much of the hype about Top 25 for 2-3 weeks, winning a game or two in the NCAA tournament, etc, is overrated as far as 'bringing in recruits'. I'm not saying it has no effect but it's completely overblown.

That said, OBI's exposure and the fact that Grant is most likely not going anywhere gives this team a chance to hopefully bring in higher levels of recruits than we're generally used to. People see what Grant did with OBI. A lot of it is him, but you need a coach as well.

The tough part is in the recruiting cycle we need 2-3 years of sustained success for the recruiting to pay off; this year won't help us out next year at all (unless there's a grad transfer). Hopefully the guys next year can hold the fort and still be at least a fringe top 25 team without OBI. If they can do that I think recruiting for AG will be easier moving forward.
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Not only is Obi a great player, he is the type of player that is made for media with his explosive and spectacular style.

At one point this season, I was paging through the ESPN men's college basketball site and noticed three separate stories with a picture of Obi dunking associated with them.

Obi is fun to watch. Couple that with a whole team of players who know how to pass, shoot and dribble with high bball IQ and teamwork. The whole team is fun to watch. We are irresistible to media.

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Two small points to pile on....
1) Crutcher is the perfect Robin to Obi as Batman. His game compliments Obi's soo well. Obi by himself is great. With Crutcher, wow.
2) Realistically, we only get to see the hype at it's highest for such a small amount of time. It's not like we see all out effort all the time. It used to bug me, seeking more. But now I accept this as the team just waiting to throw the switch... if needed. That first 6~8 minutes against URI was it. But by the end of the half they were almost bored (again). It part frustrating but also part amazing.
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Another point to add to keats, Landers is the vocal leader of this team, he can yell at Obi, and Obi listens. Can't say that about all budding superstars. At the same time, Trey understands his role and executes its wonderfully.


The lasting image of this season so far, and perhaps forever, is Chips imitation windmill in sync to Obi's actual windmill dunk.
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Obi Toppin has shot less than 50 percent in only two of Dayton's 24 games this season.

Dude is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

I'll make the case that it is the other way around - Coaches and teams are trying to construct elaborate defensive battle plans to contain - trap - check Obi. Meanwhile, Obi is just taking his big ole' No. 1 red checker and jumping over every one of his opponents checkers on the way to the hoop.
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Another segment and discussion about Obi right now on ESPN Gameday Live. Jay Bilas says that Obi “will be Player of the Year.”
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Really hope we make it to ATL...even better if we win it all.


I smell a 30 for 30 a few years down the road.


Hopefully this year reestablishes us in the national consciousness, but the follow up is just as important as the first shot...
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I kind of chuckle at the comparisons from 1984 to 2014 to now. In 1984 our most famous player as you said was Velvet. And yes, the world had no clue how amazing he was until we finally got to the dance. And of course, the whole point of this article, Obi taking the college basketball world by storm. But you know what I chuckle about. That 2014 team, that true team, had one player with a household name, Scoochie, and he wasn't even a starter. He was famous and remembered based on his name. And while Jay Bilas has been the leader in getting the word out on Obi, it was Vern Lundquist's "Scoochie Coochie Coo" that did it for Dayshon Smith.
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I talked to a man who worked for a sports analytical service a few years ago, I asked about UD. He said that UD always has lacked a dominant big man.

Obi is proving how correct he was. Obi is much more dominant than Sean or Chris or any UD big man going back to Hank Finke. (Before my time). It shows how his dominance has made such a difference.

Yes, guards are very important, but the A10 has lots of good very good guards. What most A10 teams lava is the quality big man like Obi

Joe Lunardi said last year, the A10:has produced very few players who were NBA caliber and had long NBA careers. UD has lots of players who were last player on the bench. BROb, was a great sub and role player. Joe said the last two A10 NBA players were Jameer Nelson and David West. A10 just does not produce NBA starters.


Obi could have a long NBA career. UD has to use that as a big recruiting tool to land more dominant big men.
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I talked to a man who worked for a sports analytical service a few years ago, I asked about UD. He said that UD always has lacked a dominant big man.

Obi is proving how correct he was. Obi is much more dominant than Sean or Chris or any UD big man going back to Hank Finke. (Before my time). It shows how his dominance has made such a difference.

Yes, guards are very important, but the A10 has lots of good very good guards. What most A10 teams lava is the quality big man like Obi

Joe Lunardi said last year, the A10:has produced very few players who were NBA caliber and had long NBA careers. UD has lots of players who were last player on the bench. BROb, was a great sub and role player. Joe said the last two A10 NBA players were Jameer Nelson and David West. A10 just does not produce NBA starters.


Obi could have a long NBA career. UD has to use that as a big recruiting tool to land more dominant big men.
All and great points. Just recall, we had Big Steve 1 year. Not nearly enough. He had the blocked shots. The fun
Personality, the talent to be that big guy.

Such a shame.
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Here's a nightmare question about next year: Is it possible that Crutcher could go to the NBA this year?

We'd still have Chatman and Dwayne, but they aren't Crutch. . .

Is this a possibility that we have 2 draft selections?
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Here's a nightmare question about next year: Is it possible that Crutcher could go to the NBA this year?

We'd still have Chatman and Dwayne, but they aren't Crutch. . .

Is this a possibility that we have 2 draft selections?
No!!!!!
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Here's a nightmare question about next year: Is it possible that Crutcher could go to the NBA this year?

We'd still have Chatman and Dwayne, but they aren't Crutch. . .

Is this a possibility that we have 2 draft selections?
Do not think so. As good as Crutcher has been, and as much as he adds to Obi's game, Jalen still has things he needs to improve on, and some people at this point may look at him as 'riding on Obi's coattails'. A year where he is more ' THE MAN' next year as a senior and continues to improve, would be needed to get drafted in the NBA
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Here's a nightmare question about next year: Is it possible that Crutcher could go to the NBA this year?

We'd still have Chatman and Dwayne, but they aren't Crutch. . .

Is this a possibility that we have 2 draft selections?
He won't be going to the NBA after next year. He's too small and he's not fast /strong enough and he's not a great athlete. He is a very very good college player and he will make money overseas to he is not an NBA player.
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I just read another NBA draft prediction article. I see that ESPN is predicting that the Chicago Bulls will select Obi Toppin. That makes sense to me. With both John Paxson and Jim Paxson on the Chicago Bulls administrative payroll, it makes positive sense that they would be intimately aware of Obi’s value.
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This from Jeff Borzello, ESPN staff writer, under today’s power rankings:

“Dayton continues to roll and Toppin hasn't had too many off nights in Atlantic 10 play. If the Flyers enter the NCAA tournament with two or three losses, Toppin is likely winning the award.”

So when has Obi had “an off night”?
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I just read another NBA draft prediction article. I see that ESPN is predicting that the Chicago Bulls will select Obi Toppin. That makes sense to me. With both John Paxson and Jim Paxson on the Chicago Bulls administrative payroll, it makes positive sense that they would be intimately aware of Obi’s value.
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The Paxson brothers don't have any greater insights on Obi than the rest of the NBA scouts because of their connection to UD. If he was a tweener or somehow under the radar, I would agree. But Obi's skills, demeanor, work ethic, etc. are not sneaking up on anybody.
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8 points vs Grambling on 3-5 shooting. Not brought to you by figstats.
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This from Jeff Borzello, ESPN staff writer, under today’s power rankings:

“Dayton continues to roll and Toppin hasn't had too many off nights in Atlantic 10 play. If the Flyers enter the NCAA tournament with two or three losses, Toppin is likely winning the award.”

So when has Obi had “an off night”?
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@SLU he was "off" for most of the game. And he looked "off" for stretches in Saturday's game vs UMass. He missed what appeared to be a wide open bunny to start the game. Had multiple turnovers before the first media timeout. 0-2 visit to the charity stripe LATE in the game during UMass's final surge. Plus several other plays (offensively & defensively) that we're just not typical Obi...…...but it's amazing what's become "typical" for Obi.
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8 points vs Grambling on 3-5 shooting. Not brought to you by figstats.
Sorry, didn’t realize Grambling was in the conference.
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You asked when he had an "off Night" and I was being sarcastic, UD didn't press the issue that game, Obi could have had 40 that day if UD wanted to boost his stats at the expense of developing the team.
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@Duq he was off a bit. Still had like 20 points, but he turned it over and generally just fumbled the ball much more than normal.

His off games are still much better than most.

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8 points vs Grambling on 3-5 shooting. Not brought to you by figstats.
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Sorry, didn’t realize Grambling was in the conference.
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Tremendous piece by Pete Thamel at Yahoo Sports on Obi and the #5 Flyers long climb to becoming an overnight sensation:

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-dayton-...205423420.html
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