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Another Flyers big man(Obi) academically ineligible

What it is with this big man curse. http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...ksfZ8rGYU4SXJ/
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What it is with this big man curse. http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...ksfZ8rGYU4SXJ/
The taller the player the longer takes blood to get to brain,
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May be a blessing. I'm not saying we're throwing in the towel for this year by any means, but, this year's team isn't making a deep NCAA run most likely and the article reminds us he's only played 2 years of competitive basketball. Think how little he likely knows about how to properly use his body, footwork, how to create angles / lanes, etc. Burning a year of eligibility just so he could spend the majority of the year hoping to chase offensive rebounds and follow up on fast breaks might have been a waste, or at least close to it.
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Will this now make him a 20 year old freshman? If so wow. Next year we will have tons of maturity with Obi, Mikesell, Cunningham and Kostas all available and 'old' for their grade having sat a year. Plus Svoboda will be like 32.

Obi graduated HS in 2016 and did a prep year last season. I tried searching for his DOB but no luck.
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Did anyone else find it ironic / sad / funny that an article that informs of an academic ineligibility contains such an obvious grammatical blunder?
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For my money, this one hurts more than Sam. We have been stripped of tall guys which in Tournaments like Charleston could be helpful relief when we are playing 3 games in 4 days.

I think Anthony did know this was likely to happen, and maybe has factored in a plan B.
But it still smarts losing Obi. He is an athlete, where Sam from the Slammer is not.
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I have no inside knowledge, but I wasn't sold on Obi-Wan Toppin (I'm calling him The Jedi from now on) being a big contributor this year.

I know we need bodies this year, but this may be the best thing for his long term development.
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I have no inside knowledge, but I wasn't sold on Obi-Wan Toppin (I'm calling him The Jedi from now on) being a big contributor this year.

I know we need bodies this year, but this may be the best thing for his long term development.
long term development is a term that might help some sleep at night but I'm not convinced that it's better to sit a year than it is to at least be available to the team and get minutes no matter how infrequent. A player like Big Steve was maybe, he needed to concentrate on getting is body into prime shape. But with already athletic big men, I want them now. We are once again going to be relegated to a small team when it comes to battling inside the paint unless Pierce is much better than advertised. And the team as a whole doesn't have a Pollard/Pierre or Pollard/Cunningham combination to compensate.
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The taller the player the longer takes blood to get to brain,
Avid guy - IMO this is not funny and I don't appreciate your humor. If you can't say this "joke" mano a mano to the student and his parents then keep this type of humor private.

Embarrass the posters (like me) not the innocent students.

You can take my head off if you like (and I enjoy a spirited debate) but don't humiliate the incoming student.

Bad form Mr. Avid Guy.

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I have no idea what to expect this year. I have no idea whether Obi would have made much difference if he was eligible.

Based on that, I am having a hard time getting aggravated about it or believing it is a blessing. All it seems to be at this point is the natural outcome of accepting kids that are borderline academically eligible. As long as the coaching staff plans accordingly, I don't have any issue but there is risk. The problem is the old "best laid plans of mice and men go awry when your upperclassman big men get arrested..."
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I think this year is going to be a crap shoot, no doubt. However, look how far Archie was able to take the team with a handful of scholarship players and a walk-on who turned out to be valuable addition to the team. I believe it is often a good thing for a 4 or 5 position to sit out for a year, learn the system, bulk up, and in this case, pass some courses.
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Does that mean we have 10 scholarship players? That sounds like 4 more than we need!

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I was hoping Toppin could play SF this year with his size and skill set. There is a lot of pressure on those Wings. I feel good about the bigs if everyone stays healthy.
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Ten is about the max of the number of players who would probably receive any significant playing time regardless of whether the team had a full complement of 13. Many coaches often shrink this number down to eight.

You have to hope it is the right ten that are eligible. The ten who are currently eligible seem like a good mix. Of the three who are no longer playing this season, only Mikesell would be projected prior to the start of the season to have a chance of displacing one of the current ten for playing time.

I would have projected Obi's playing time to be limited as he learned the game and added some weight and muscle. Sure it would have been nice if he could break in and surprise us with spectacular play but it should not have been expected.
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Mr. Toppin goes to high school (Ossing high school) and he graduates? Then he goes to a prep school in Baltimore Maryland for an additional year. After all that, he is still academically ineligible? As Trump would say, "You're FIRED". Both the teachers at his high school and especially his teachers at the prep school should be fired.

There is another possibility. College academics are not appropriate for every student. I raise the possibility that Mr. Toppin may never be academically appropriate for college material! He had four years of high school plus one year of prep school and still is not academically eligible!
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Mr. Toppin goes to high school (Ossing high school) and he graduates? Then he goes to a prep school in Baltimore Maryland for an additional year. After all that, he is still academically ineligible? As Trump would say, "You're FIRED". Both the teachers at his high school and especially his teachers at the prep school should be fired.
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Mr. Toppin goes to high school (Ossing high school) and he graduates? Then he goes to a prep school in Baltimore Maryland for an additional year. After all that, he is still academically ineligible? As Trump would say, "You're FIRED". Both the teachers at his high school and especially his teachers at the prep school should be fired.

There is another possibility. College academics are not appropriate for every student. I raise the possibility that Mr. Toppin may never be academically appropriate for college material! He had four years of high school plus one year of prep school and still is not academically eligible!
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I think he was going to sit the bench this year anyway so I'm not all that bothered, but this is a fair point. How is he STILL academically ineligible? Is it course work or SAT score? If SAT score, OK, the guy might just not be all that bright when it comes to book learning (no sin there) or had a really poor school system (again not totally his fault). But course work? How is that even possible since his entire year at prep school was presumably spent PREParing him for college??
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As someone who has taught both the highest and lowest achievers at both UD and Sinclair over the past 15 years, you cannot blame the teacher for situations like this. Nobody anywhere, any how in any way can teach someone who has little interest or little ability.

Not everyone is meant for college, and being 6'9" doesn't change that.

Over the years I've been involved with dozens of awesome, hard workers who refuse to open a book and when forced to, simply rebel. Academics isn't for everyone, just as athletics isn't for everyone, just as music isn't for everyone, just as public speaking isn't for everyone.

Can UD help this kid? They've invented a couple majors for students like this so let's hope so.
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I don't think it's fair to assume or speculate where blame is, what kind of effort the kid, parents, teachers, etc. have put forth, or even what the kids' situation is. That is really weird. Whatever the situation is, I was looking forward to seeing him play. I'm sure waiting a year will be tough but there's a lot of good that will come of it, and it sounds like all parties kind of knew this was a possibility from the start.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it is being termed an “Academic Redshirt” that means he would have been eligible under the pre-2016 standards?
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Mr. Toppin goes to high school (Ossing high school) and he graduates? Then he goes to a prep school in Baltimore Maryland for an additional year. After all that, he is still academically ineligible? As Trump would say, "You're FIRED". Both the teachers at his high school and especially his teachers at the prep school should be fired.

There is another possibility. College academics are not appropriate for every student. I raise the possibility that Mr. Toppin may never be academically appropriate for college material! He had four years of high school plus one year of prep school and still is not academically eligible!
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4 years of high school and a year of prep school and still being ineligible seemed crazy to me too. The one thought I did have was that OT wasn't really on a track to play college basketball until his senior year of high school and he was just treated as a normal student by his coaches, counselors, and teachers. They were just trying to get him to graduate HS and weren't making sure he was on a path to complete the core courses the NCAA clearinghouse requires. Now I still think it's crazy that with a year of prep school he was unable to complete the requirements, but he may have been so far behind on those core clearinghouse requirements because no one cared about that until his senior year of HS. The quote from his HS coach in the article is pretty telling when he comments on how OT played great AAU ball prior to his senior year of HS and then finally played varsity his senior year. He was basically not on anybody's radar to play college basketball until then.

I know nothing about his particular HS, but I'm sure lots of normal HS students can get put on a path to simply graduate by their teachers/counselors and wouldn't get through the clearinghouse either. Is OT a Rhodes scholar? No. But it may have simply been too late when everybody realized he needed to take a different set of classes to play NCAA basketball.
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There are students who have educational issues that are not related to their lack of effort or past schooling. Stop the hate guys. He very well may have a learning disability. Having been a teacher for many, many, many years, not all students learn the same and in many cases, it is not their fault. For all you "adults" to be so judgemental, give it a break and let the university help this young many find his way academically without your sarcastic, judgmental posts. Ridiculous.
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. The one thought I did have was that OT wasn't really on a track to play college basketball until his senior year of high school and he was just treated as a normal student by his coaches, counselors, and teachers. They were just trying to get him to graduate HS and weren't making sure he was on a path to complete the core courses the NCAA clearinghouse requires. Now I still think it's crazy that with a year of prep school he was unable to complete the requirements, but he may have been so far behind on those core clearinghouse requirements because no one cared about that until his senior year of HS. The quote from his HS coach in the article is pretty telling when he comments on how OT played great AAU ball prior to his senior year of HS and then finally played varsity his senior year. He was basically not on anybody's radar to play college basketball until then.

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Bingo, I was going to post a similar theory. The path to being NCAA eligible starts when 8th graders are making out their schedules for their freshman year. The NCAA requirements are well above and beyond what the state, or many local districts require.

A crazy example, my daughter took a college level English class her junior year which our local school gives her 2 HS credits for as basically they do the same amount of class work in each semester as most classes do in an entire year, giving her the 4 credits before her senior year. Yet when she made out her senior schedule, the guidance office called her in and pointed out that since she is an athlete if she had any hopes or dreams of playing in college, she must take a language arts class her senior year as well as the NCAA requires 4 separate year long classes, and in their eyes she only had 3.
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4 years of high school and a year of prep school and still being ineligible seemed crazy to me too. The one thought I did have was that OT wasn't really on a track to play college basketball until his senior year of high school and he was just treated as a normal student by his coaches, counselors, and teachers. They were just trying to get him to graduate HS and weren't making sure he was on a path to complete the core courses the NCAA clearinghouse requires. Now I still think it's crazy that with a year of prep school he was unable to complete the requirements, but he may have been so far behind on those core clearinghouse requirements because no one cared about that until his senior year of HS.
Most (10/16) of the core courses need to be completed before the start of your senior year to gain initial eligibility. If they weren't, there's nothing that a prep year can really do for you as far as initial eligibility is concerned.
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If Cunningham or X get in foul trouble, or god forbid injured, we're going to need Jordan Pierce to play some big boy minutes. At least for defense and rebounding, I think we have enough where we don't need to rely on him for points.
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probably gonna have to look at playing some small ball
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I get that two of them are effectively Freshman with Kostas having sat out last year, but the year we played small ball we had nobody on the roster taller than 6'6" We have three 6'10" guys this year for God's sake! I know Kostas is not a post player per se but I certainly expect that he can defend and rebound as well as whoever the small ball option would be, (Landers at 6'4"?).
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Who is the 3rd 6'10" guy? According to the official roster, X is the 3rd tallest at 6-8.
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Who is the 3rd 6'10" guy? According to the official roster, X is the 3rd tallest at 6-8.
Didn't look at the roster but I believe Josh is 6'10", Pierce 6'10" and I thought Kostas was at least 6'10" if not 6'11". Of course if I am off by a half inch on one of those guys, my whole point in invalidated.
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I see that Josh is listed at 6'7", (which I don't think is accurate), but I was wrong. Small ball it is.
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He was right between Xeyrius and Kendall in height. 6'7 is about right.
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