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Old 09-26-2017, 09:48 AM
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FBI corruption probe of top programs

https://www.wsj.com/articles/arrests...ams-1506431065

Not many details, just says that the FBI is investigating if some of the top coaches in the country unduly influenced players to associate with certain agents or shoe companies.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:01 AM
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Yep it's going down for real. Or shall I say they're going down...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...and-corruption
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An Auburn assistant is one of the coaches currently being investigated. That would seem to affect UD indirectly.
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Auburn - Bruce Pearl

Bruce Pearl certainly has a track record with recruiting and NCAA issues. I think his time at Auburn might end sooner than he hoped.
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Assistant coaches Chuck Person (Auburn), Lamont Evans (Oklahoma State), Emanuel "Book" Richardson (Arizona) and Tony Bland (USC) have been charged along with Jim Gatto, the director of sports marketing at Adidas, and five others, the Justice Department and FBI announced Tuesday morning.
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We all knew this was going to happen. Feds are having a presser later this afternoon and will supply more details. This is going to be a long mess with mass collateral casualties.
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We are looking at criminal penalties. Assistant coaches are likely going to be willing to flip on their head coaches.
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Hopefully the FBI will dig deep into the pile.

Just brings a tear to my eye. Not just a "probe", they have been charged. I once played a tournament in an Anamosa, Iowa, prison invitational b-ball tournament. They have some pretty good teams. Lots of practice time.
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This could be big if they roll the assistant coaches.
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Cleveland State better be carefull. NCAA will react , and will be so offended at the big schools that they will put CS on probation, and if they are really upset, VMI is next.
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This isn't the NCAA. it's the FBI and these guys are facing criminal penalties
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I bet this may end up going much deeper by the time it all ends.

It looks like Louisville and Pitino are done for from early reports.

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This could be the tip of the iceberg. I just wonder how deep and wide the investigation will go or has gone.
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Good luck to all. Once the Feds get on your arse you are screwed unless you compromise. Either play ball (pun intended) by telling what you know or roll on someone else. If not, any federal agency ace in the hole is the dreaded IRS in which they will turn you over.
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Good luck to all. Once the Feds get on your arse you are screwed unless you compromise. Either play ball (pun intended) by telling what you know or roll on someone else. If not, any federal agency ace in the hole is the dreaded IRS in which they will turn you over.
The FBI and US attorney's office generally don't charge people until they are pretty sure they have them dead to rights. This will get really interesting.
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Saw somewhere Feds conviction rate is over 90%.

Good luck with all that.

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Way off topic

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Just brings a tear to my eye. Not just a "probe", they have been charged. I once played a tournament in an Anamosa, Iowa, prison invitational b-ball tournament. They have some pretty good teams. Lots of practice time.
SD your reference to a "prison" invitational brought back a memory and made me chuckle. My dad was a very good baseball player....played in an industrial league well into his 40s along with college players.

Once his team was scheduled to play a game at a near-by prison....a PA state prison. One condition that had to be met was that his team was allowed to bring only one bat in to the prison which all the players had to use. (In case the bat broke I suppose they were allowed to have a spare or two outside.)
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"Book" Richardson. Wasn't he at Xavier for a while?
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*I royally refuse to capitalize his name. scumbag

Assuming he continues to coach, will Prison League games count for pitino's* W/L record?
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Re: Book Richardson

Yes, he was at X then went to Arizona with Sean Miller.
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I sure hope this extends down to the joke that is AAU basketball and brings it to its' knees.
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Will numerous players be declared ineligible by the NCAA?
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The justice department and FBI said they have reached out to the NCAA. Said the NCAA did not know before today.

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One NCAA official told little while ago that "this is a dark day." I corrected him and said that this is a great day for college hoops.
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Passing on Donnie Jones might look good in hindsight depending on how deep this gets, and whether he cleaned up his act after UCF
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So who is going to call the FBI tip line and report Xavier?

I would suggest you use a burner phone purchased with cash from a store without cameras and not close to your home.

And the official FBI NCAA Basketball tip line # is 212-384-2135

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We have no idea where this goes. It starts with Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and USC.
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We have no idea where this goes. It starts with Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and USC.
Exactly!

Just because a school wasn't mentioned today doesn't mean they aren't being investigated. So fans should be very hesitant about gloating because their school wasn't mentioned today. I just don't want to hear the name Mac(Mike) Irvin ever mentioned.
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Can Teflon Pitino dodge yet another close call?

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I love his quote regarding the unexpected signing of Brian Bowen...

"We got lucky on this one," Pitino told Meiners at the time. "I had an AAU director call me and ask me if I'd be interested in a player. I saw him against another great player from Indiana. I said 'Yeah, I'd be really interested.' They had to come in unofficially, pay for their hotel, pay for their meals. We spent zero dollars recruiting a five-star athlete who I loved when I saw him play. In my 40 years of coaching this is the luckiest I've been."
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Exactly!

Just because a school wasn't mentioned today doesn't mean they aren't being investigated. So fans should be very hesitant about gloating because their school wasn't mentioned today. I just don't want to hear the name Mac(Mike) Irvin ever mentioned.
Doesn't Mac Irvin Fire plays in Nike events? (I don't really understand AAU)
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I suppose I should be happy that the big guys might be brought down. Though my personal opinion is that only some small fries will see the inside of a courtroom.

But I am more concerned that we are making a federal crime of every activity. It is only up to an aggressive prosecutor or making the wrong person or group of people angry and the crime already exists.

It is not that I am saying that what the big guys are alleged to have done is right but rather just because an act is unethical does it need to be illegal. Just because an act is stupid does it have to be against the law.

Good that the unethical activities of those accused are revealed. Though most of those who really care already knew the unethical activities were going on. But should this really be a federal crime?
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Doesn't Mac Irvin Fire plays in Nike events? (I don't really understand AAU)
Yes. Mac Irvin Fire is a Nike program and who Kyle Davis, XXXXXXXX, and Josh Cunningham all played AAU for.

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add UofL to the list.
Pretty sure I already did earlier in the thread.

They will now forever be known as University 6.
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Better to sit back and let this one flush out before throwing stones.
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UD could be involved, we don't know.

What I do know is that where will be less corrupt people involved the basketball programs at the end of the day.

And that is a good thing.
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So UofL could get the death penalty ... but Pitino didn't know.

So either you are so deluded the inmates are running the asylum or you are a relentless cheat.

One has to think he is gone either way.

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Wonder how Dakach feels.

If one rememders he took the WVU job, stayed a few days and left.

All he would say is he found irregularites in the program and resigned.

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This isn't the NCAA. it's the FBI and these guys are facing criminal penalties
Agree it's the FBI, however the NCAA will have some reaction in the future.
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I am sure the hope is to roll the assistant coaches.

UofL is up a ### creek without a paddle.
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The NCAA has little choice but to kill UofL basketball. If they do not they will lose their remaining credibility (little that they have).

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What is the crime exactly? Bribing a player to come to your school? How in the world is that worth jailtime? Lose your job, get a lifetime ban from the NCAA, or whatever. But jailtime?

Steering an athlete toward a particular agent? How is that different from hiring a headhunter or a recruiter? Honest question - if they did something worthy of jailtime, send them to jail. But I don't see it right now.
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I bet this may end up going much deeper by the time it all ends.

It looks like Louisville and Pitino are done for from early reports.

Please tell me this is a joke. Rick knows nothing. He was never in that restaurant with that woman, never knew of hook...er...strippers, and had no clue his assistant was on the take.
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The justice department and FBI said they have reached out to the NCAA. Said the NCAA did not know before today.
Which is exactly why they were successful in laying the charges.
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Please tell me this is a joke. Rick knows nothing. He was never in that restaurant with that woman, never knew of hook...er...strippers, and had no clue his assistant was on the take.
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Sgt. Schultz.
The funny part is he is dead either way. He was called on the carpet for not policing his assistants (wink, wink).

So he wither didn't police his assistants (again) or is guilty of paying cash for kids.
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Will numerous players be declared ineligible by the NCAA?
Do you remember the last thread on UofL hookers? I'm interested to see how squeaky clean a certain poster continues to think these victims . . . I mean players are.

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Can Teflon Pitino dodge yet another close call?

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I love his quote regarding the unexpected signing of Brian Bowen...

"We got lucky on this one," Pitino told Meiners at the time. "I had an AAU director call me and ask me if I'd be interested in a player. I saw him against another great player from Indiana. I said 'Yeah, I'd be really interested.' They had to come in unofficially, pay for their hotel, pay for their meals. We spent zero dollars recruiting a five-star athlete who I loved when I saw him play. In my 40 years of coaching this is the luckiest I've been."
It funny, I can just perfectly picture a mob boss sitting behind a heavy wooden desk talking to the feds saying almost exactly these words. "I swear, the gold bars just fell off the truck right into my lap."

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I suppose I should be happy that the big guys might be brought down. Though my personal opinion is that only some small fries will see the inside of a courtroom.

But I am more concerned that we are making a federal crime of every activity. It is only up to an aggressive prosecutor or making the wrong person or group of people angry and the crime already exists.

It is not that I am saying that what the big guys are alleged to have done is right but rather just because an act is unethical does it need to be illegal. Just because an act is stupid does it have to be against the law.

Good that the unethical activities of those accused are revealed. Though most of those who really care already knew the unethical activities were going on. But should this really be a federal crime?
I truly appreciate a healthy dose of skepticism with everything, thanks for that interjection.
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These schools receive Federal Funding in the form of student loans and federal work study programs which makes it fair game for the Feds to investigate for corruption unfortunately. Providing cash bribes is a crime and unethical

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I suppose I should be happy that the big guys might be brought down. Though my personal opinion is that only some small fries will see the inside of a courtroom.

But I am more concerned that we are making a federal crime of every activity. It is only up to an aggressive prosecutor or making the wrong person or group of people angry and the crime already exists.

It is not that I am saying that what the big guys are alleged to have done is right but rather just because an act is unethical does it need to be illegal. Just because an act is stupid does it have to be against the law.

Good that the unethical activities of those accused are revealed. Though most of those who really care already knew the unethical activities were going on. But should this really be a federal crime?

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What is the crime exactly? Bribing a player to come to your school? How in the world is that worth jailtime? Lose your job, get a lifetime ban from the NCAA, or whatever. But jailtime?

Steering an athlete toward a particular agent? How is that different from hiring a headhunter or a recruiter? Honest question - if they did something worthy of jailtime, send them to jail. But I don't see it right now.
The crime is what it always is when the FBI struggles to the finish line. Wire fraud.
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Better to sit back and let this one flush out before throwing stones.
That's exactly what the talking heads have been saying all day on sports talk radio. Be careful throwing stones at your rivals until the dust settles a bit. This is going to get larger and uglier folks.
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Let's hope UD is not implicated in this. After all, Book Richardson works for Sean Miller. I wouldn't be surprised if UD is tarnished or worse (and I pray they aren't). I know, Nike school, but that's not very reassuring.
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That's exactly what the talking heads have been saying all day on sports talk radio. Be careful throwing stones at your rivals until the dust settles a bit. This is going to get larger and uglier folks.
Agree with this 100%. All the Feds have done so far is release enough for "probable cause". And that has been more than enough to arrest and file charges. They haven't released the pile of other stuff they have and will now be able to get under subpoena. Every purchase order, expense report this Addidas guy ever submitted will be available to them. And the same for the person who just left Nike and joined Addidas. Every bank account from all these people and all the players and their families, and the coaches, etc on down the line. The net will be big and cast wide and this will hang over college basketball for the next 4-5 years.

It can't be a good day for the Miller family. Sean will be under a microscope even if he isn't involved. It won't be fun.

And all those 2018-19-29-21 recruits and their families that were planning on cash payments, well those just dried up at about 10 am this morning. Serious times ahead and lives changed forever.
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The F.B.I.

is charged with policing public corruption at any level of government Federal, State and Local.
Keep an eye on whether the Institutions named are public (governmental) or private. While bribery of a coach may be an NCAA violation (an administrative matter) when it involves a public university it may rise to a criminal matter.
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my guess is that an informant works for Nike.


article by Pat Forde
The NCAA death penalty, the much-discussed but 30-years-dormant nuclear option of college sports, is about to make a comeback.

Louisville basketball, one of the most successful in history on the court and for decades the most lucrative hoops program in America, prepare for your demise.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-...181930063.html
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It will apply to most private schools as well due to federal funding...

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is charged with policing public corruption at any level of government Federal, State and Local.
Keep an eye on whether the Institutions named are public (governmental) or private. While bribery of a coach may be an NCAA violation (an administrative matter) when it involves a public university it may rise to a criminal matter.
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my guess is that an informant works for Nike.


article by Pat Forde


https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-...181930063.html
Holy schnikes! Or, maybe, holy schadidas!

"Furthermore, the feds allege that in a July 27 meeting in a Las Vegas hotel, a Louisville assistant was part of a discussion to pay a player from the class of 2019 to commit to the Cardinals. Part of the discussion was to note that the involved school “was already on probation with the NCAA” and that “they would have to be particularly careful with how they passed money” to the player.


There is video surveillance of the meeting, according to the release. They have an audio recording. The lawmen are not guessing here; they have hard evidence."
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my guess is that an informant works for Nike.


article by Pat Forde


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The informant was arrested on securities fraud last year is what the SDNY AG said in the press conference. He flipped to get his sentence reduced in all likelihood which is what will lead to more of this coming out.

And anyway why would someone from Nike inform on this whole thing when they do the exact same stuff. They have no motivation to draw attention to the whole situation.
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That's exactly what the talking heads have been saying all day on sports talk radio. Be careful throwing stones at your rivals until the dust settles a bit. This is going to get larger and uglier folks.
At the same time, are you really worried?

Scenario A: UD was doing this stuff. My opinion--shut it down. I won't lose a moment of sleep if our university was doing this garbage. End it, end it now.

Scenario B: UD was not. Good. I will not lose a moment of sleep knowing we're not bad actors.

In summary, I won't lose a moment of sleep.
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The informant was arrested on securities fraud last year is what the SDNY AG said in the press conference. He flipped to get his sentence reduced in all likelihood which is what will lead to more of this coming out.

And anyway why would someone from Nike inform on this whole thing when they do the exact same stuff. They have no motivation to draw attention to the whole situation.
A few years ago Cuyahoga County had a major political corruption scandal start with a simple bribe of a building official. It ended up uncovering quite a bit when everyone started singing to save their butt.

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Let's hope UD is not implicated in this. After all, Book Richardson works for Sean Miller. I wouldn't be surprised if UD is tarnished or worse (and I pray they aren't). I know, Nike school, but that's not very reassuring.
The endgame with Book was that he was to influence the player to sign with the sports agent. They were looking for NBA guys and UD hasn't had a guy drafted in 25+ years. Just not seeing the same incentive for a sports agent to funnel some 3-star recruit to Dayton.
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This article outlines the AZ assistant coach's "problems". It's a ways down in the article. The one thing that wasn't brought up, I read it in another article, with the $100,000 payment to Louisville Bowen recruits family - fake purchase orders/expense reports had to be created to get the money from Addidas. If that's proven, and the company didn't know what was going on, you can add embezzlement to the charges for all who knew the money was being stolen from Addidas.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...ges/703477001/

I read AZ's Emanuel Richardson's bio on their website. It made me sick. Hailed as one of the best recruiters in the country. Top 20 classes, including 5 Top 5 classes, etc. to be honest, with hundreds of thousands of dollars at your disposal, I'd say all these guys/programs under-performed.

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The endgame with Book was that he was to influence the player to sign with the sports agent. They were looking for NBA guys and UD hasn't had a guy drafted in 25+ years. Just not seeing the same incentive for a sports agent to funnel some 3-star recruit to Dayton.
I agree with this. It will play out, but cash was being paid for athletes and influencers of those players because they were worth millions down the line to those paying out cash. That doesn't sound like UD would be caught up in this.
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The endgame with Book was that he was to influence the player to sign with the sports agent. They were looking for NBA guys and UD hasn't had a guy drafted in 25+ years. Just not seeing the same incentive for a sports agent to funnel some 3-star recruit to Dayton.
But there is an incentive for an AAU coach to receive money from a college coach to funnel 3 star players to certain schools. I'm sure an envelope with 5 or 10k in it might get some AAU coaches to tell kid's and their families how great a certain school/coach are. That's why I mentioned the interesting coincidence that UD had so many players who played for Mac Irvin Fire during the Archie era.

Sure the money would be less than the 100k Adidas/Agents paid to get Bowen to go to UL and then sign with them when he turns pro but it's still money. The agents/adidas were most likely going to funnel the money through Bowen's AAU program and then to his family. And I'm sure somewhere in that process the AAU coach was going to get a cut.

AAU/EYBL coaches don't run these programs out of the goodness of their hearts folks. They make money from them and have been doing it for years.

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Yep it's going down for real. Or shall I say they're going down...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...and-corruption
I always chuckle when I read things like:

...describing "payments of $100,000 from a company to the family of an unnamed player to secure his commitment to the school, which is described as a public research university with enrollment of 22,640 located in Kentucky.
The only thing the FBI announcement left out was "...located in Kentucky with a ZIP code of 40292."
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But there is an incentive for an AAU coach to receive money from a college coach to funnel 3 star players to certain schools. I'm sure an envelope with 5 or 10k in it might get some AAU coaches to tell kid's and their families how great a certain school/coach are. That's why I mentioned the interesting coincidence that UD had so many players who played for Mac Irvin Fire during the Archie era.

Sure the money would be less than the 100k Adidas/Agents paid to get Bowen to go to UL and then sign with them when he turns pro but it's still money. The agents/adidas were most likely going to funnel the money through Bowen's AAU program and then to his family. And I'm sure somewhere in that process the AAU coach was going to get a cut.

AAU/EYBL coaches don't run these programs out of the goodness of their hearts folks. They make money from them and have been doing it for years.
Of course, but that's not the federal investigation going on right now. Just pointing out the lack of connection between Archie and what Book is being charged with at Arizona.

As for Mac Irvin, it was also only KD and JC that played for him and they also played for his brother Nick at Morgan Park. KP played for MeanStreets/Simeon.
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Of course, but that's not the federal investigation going on right now. Just pointing out the lack of connection between Archie and what Book is being charged with at Arizona.
I didn't think there was an Archie/Book connection, but I'm sure they'd like to nail some of these AAU coaches who are getting money funneled through them.

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As for Mac Irvin, it was also only KD and JC that played for him and they also played for his brother Nick at Morgan Park. KP played for MeanStreets/Simeon.
I could have sworn KP played for them too. I will fix that.
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How serious is all this? AZ paper is reporting Book Richardson is facing up to 60 years in prison and a fine up to $1.5 million. Wow.
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My guess is that they roll all of the assistants.

The decision will be on whose side the universities come down. will it be the Feds or the head coaches?
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Richardson had connections back east.

Richardson, a New York native, helped recruit many East Coast players to Arizona, including former Wildcats standouts Mark Lyons and Kevin Parrom. Before coming to Arizona, Richardson ran the New York Gauchos AAU program.
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How serious is all this? AZ paper is reporting Book Richardson is facing up to 60 years in prison and a fine up to $1.5 million. Wow.
And that is just for recruiting Mark Lyons.
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My guess is that they roll all of the assistants.

The decision will be on whose side the universities come down. will it be the Feds or the head coaches?
I agree the assistants will sing. Max of 60 years and $1.5 mill fine makes that decision easy. I hope they go after everyone, meaning AAU coaches, parents, influencers, the college coaches and anyone else from the universities.

And I hope the NCAA pulls eligibility for any player that took money or who's family took money. Some will just go to the pros, and that's fine. The goal should be to kick out anyone who cheated and send a strong message to anyone thinking of cheating in the future. I realize that probably won't clean it up 100%, but the NCAA should still do everything possible.
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A birdie from the 3 letter law enforcement group said reason NCAA wasn't notified in advance is that they too are under review. He is not active on this investigation but hears things from insiders.

Could get real interesting if true.
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Your candidate/my president, will Tweet that this is all fake news to detract from "American Made" coming out this week.

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I bet this may end up going much deeper by the time it all ends.

It looks like Louisville and Pitino are done for from early reports.

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Richardson had connections back east.
"Richardson, a New York native, helped recruit many East Coast players to Arizona, including former Wildcats standouts Mark Lyons and Kevin Parrom. Before coming to Arizona, Richardson ran the New York Gauchos AAU program."

Scoochie Smith played for the New York Gauchos for what it's worth.

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But there is an incentive for an AAU coach to receive money from a college coach to funnel 3 star players to certain schools. I'm sure an envelope with 5 or 10k in it might get some AAU coaches to tell kid's and their families how great a certain school/coach are. That's why I mentioned the interesting coincidence that UD had so many players who played for Mac Irvin Fire during the Archie era.

Sure the money would be less than the 100k Adidas/Agents paid to get Bowen to go to UL and then sign with them when he turns pro but it's still money. The agents/adidas were most likely going to funnel the money through Bowen's AAU program and then to his family. And I'm sure somewhere in that process the AAU coach was going to get a cut.

AAU/EYBL coaches don't run these programs out of the goodness of their hearts folks. They make money from them and have been doing it for years.
We may wind up being glad Tom Ostrom went to IU
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The NCAA's statement/response is bad enough, but Pitino's wins my vote for the "We weren't born yesterday" award. Nobody will believe this, right?

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To say that this is going to be a very big deal is a huge understatement. Unfortunately, I think it will effect and splatter on every major college basketball program even us and the program is completely above board. . All schools may be forced into doing an internal investigation.

These charges come out of the Federal Court in NYC. Don't think that Federal Prosecutors in districts around the country aren't contacting NYC to find out about schools in their areas or are being provided information about local schools by the NYC.

There was a statement to the effect that "corruption in college basketball has long been rumored" because of the huge amounts of money being thrown around by shoe companies. This part appears to be about Addidas money, who has been trying to protect market share against Nike, Under Armour and others.

The NCAA says it may perform it's own investigation. My guess is that information will be unearthed by the Feds showing that the NCAA knew or should have known about corruption and chose do ignore or do nothing about it. March Madness alone is worth millions. The NCAA never knew about the investigation until announcement of the charges. There was a reason for that.
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You are 100% right - no one should be surprised about athletes getting cash. Here is where the "knew or should have known" by the NCAA comes in. Shouldn't newspaper article and resulting police report have raised a red flag or at least a question. Hawk and Mangold, both first round selections by the pros.

What we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg. Football will be next. Pressure will be put by the Feds on these assistant coaches and names and programs will be coming out of the woodwork. I really hope and pray that our program has remained clean and without problems but you never know.
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FWIW, while on campus last week XW drove past me in a 4-door Mercedes.
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Yes it's going to get much larger, however over a few months it will all cool down. I'm sure the hours of recorded conversations and other evidence the feds have they could cast a much wider net right now. The FBI is not going to keep chasing NCAA member schools whereas if anytime is giving out it will be plead down to a few months and a couple thousands in fines. The FBI would much rather get back to concentrating on the cartels where the sentences range from 20 to 60 years with fines in the millions of dollars. Now going after an international apparel company is a whole different ball game.
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FWIW, while on campus last week XW drove past me in a 4-door Mercedes.
Nothing to see here as Dwight Anderson loaned it to him.
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https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/9127...and-corruption

Priceless, the replies say it all.
Funny stuff. Somewhere out there must be several really good Dilbert cartoons.

But in the end of course, the unveiling of a corrupt NCAA system, it's customers and suppliers, and participants.
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
http://www.bleachercoaches.com/colle...topic6861.html

Athletes getting cash handouts shouldn't surprise anyone. Remember when AJ Hawk's apartment was robbed and he reported $3500(ish) was stolen? I wonder where that came from?
Not sure, but I've been to his parents' house, and trust me, it ain't ghetto. His dad probably has $3,500 in his wallet right at this moment. So I would not disagree with your larger point but this may be a bad example (and maybe not).

OK sorry, posted a picture and it went nuts. How about a link: http://www.mcrealestate.org/idocs/da...=4&LMparent=20

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I was thinking about this and remembered something pretty interesting.

In 2012, CBSSports did an anonymous poll of coaches asking which player had the dirtiest recruitment. In the others receiving votes category was one-time Dayton commit, Jevon Thomas. Now, I totally think Archie may have submitted that vote and I think it is very plausible that the reason Jevon never came to Dayton was because he or his handlers wanted some kind of payout and Dayton refused to play dirty. And guess where he ended up? Kansas State, at that time coached by Anthony Grant's good bud, Frank Martin, and assistant coach, Lamont Evans, one of those who is facing criminal charges.

Here is that article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...f-past-decade/

Sidenote 1: It would be really interested to see which of the players named in this piece from 2012 besides Thomas were recruited by the coaches / programs implicated.

Sidenote 2: Jevon Thomas played AAU Ball for the New York Gauchos, the program which as referenced above was run at one-time (2005-2007) by Book Richardson, who was on Sean Miller's staff at Xavier and Arizona, and is now facing charges. Interestingly enough and as I mentioned above, the player Dayton got to replace Jevon was the great Scoochie Smith, who at one time also played with one of the Gauchos teams.

For those interested in revisiting, here is a thread that came out at the time of the CBS article linked above (2012) in reaction to Jevon Thomas being named in the poll of dirtiest recruited players. There are some interesting thoughts and theories there. http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21346

What does it all mean? Not a ton but I do think the fact that Jevon Thomas did not end up at Dayton suggests anecdotally that Archie's staff was doing things the right way. But I think it also shows that Dayton is not so far removed from the shady goings on of the shoe companys, agents and AAU ne'erdowells that is being exposed now.

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After the Clinton"s non-prosecution and all the minimization of violations at Miami, Louisville and UNC in the past, why am I a little skeptical that this will have major repercussions?
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What the eff do the Clintons have to do with this?
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OK sorry, posted a picture and it went nuts. How about a link: http://www.mcrealestate.org/idocs/da...=4&LMparent=20
Well first of all, wrong house and neighborhood you posted, but please do not fix it!

Seriously, why do we even need to put pictures, address, tax info etc on this message board of the parents of an athlete who had nothing to do with UD or this investigation. Give them their privacy, just saying!
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What we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg. Football will be next.
Please tell me that the feds can use this as an opportunity to finally have a real investigation into the Cam Newton crap and prove that his family got paid.

Got me thinking. Shouldn't all of the athletes come out of this clean as they can all just use the Cam defense of "I didn't know what my family was doing"?
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What the eff do the Clintons have to do with this?
Hilary. All four of those appeared to be slam dunk prosecutions (penalties) that have gone almost nowhere.
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