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Old 01-24-2011, 09:22 AM
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Career 286-300 .488, playoffs 14 17 .452

... and that's just his pro record. 3 winning seasons in 8 and those were marginal.

Jim O'Brien continues to get jobs. It just amazes me.
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Old 01-24-2011, 09:41 AM
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He knows BB....

All one has to do is recall what JOB did with the class he inherited from DD to know that the guy knows BB and knows how to coach...quite possibly better than the coach we have today.

But, college BB is first and foremost about recruiting.....and JOB had no knowledge or experience in that area. That is what made him such an awful hire. The talk about B. Knight blackballing the UD job because of the way his friend was treated is laughable. Our AD just made a huge mistake...he never had to make a major hire before and didn't have a clue how to go about it.

We still suffer from the effects of that blunder.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:02 AM
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I've heard 2nd hand, that Pitino believes J-O-B is one of the best X & O guys he's ever worked with. My guess is that is why he keeps getting gigs in the NBA. He's also, by several accounts, a pretty good guy, which probably helps w/ owners who are looking for a stop gap. To be fair to the guy, none of the NBA gigs were exactly peaches, though it is amazing that he's landed 3 seperate gigs w/o any real success.

regarding his time at UD, clearly recruiting, or his lack there of is what did him in. Ironically, his best class featuring Perryman, he never got to coach. I've heard the reports that prior to the fab 5 joining up, JOB was close to landing Juwaan Howard for UD, but how true are those? Seems like a far leap from Michigan to how bad those UD teams were at the end of JOB's tenure.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:05 AM
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Reputation as a great x's and o'x guy should get you the interview and probably the job .... the first time.

Going sub 0.5 in record shouldn't keep you going for 8 years and 3 seperate teams. I don't get it at least not in terms of a HC gig. Maybe he's a great assistant.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:24 AM
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I remember that JOB said something like his firing was a huge mistake at his post-job press conference. After sitting through one of his 3 win seasons, I think I laughed. Maybe you don't have to focus so much on the fundamentals in the pros, but his chuck-a-three philosophies didn't seem suited for his personel or our level of division 1 basketball at the time.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:34 AM
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Reputation as a great x's and o'x guy should get you the interview and probably the job .... the first time.

Going sub 0.5 in record shouldn't keep you going for 8 years and 3 seperate teams. I don't get it at least not in terms of a HC gig. Maybe he's a great assistant.
That assumes that you're trying to win. I'm not sure that Philly, Indiana & Boston were exactly trying to win when JOB was hired, more likely just trying to keep the ship afloat as they clear out contracts for the future. He's probably popular w/ the players, so it makes for an easy move for the owner/gm to go w/ an X & O guy until they figure out when they want to start competting for real. He's also made the postseason (not exactly a big deal in the bloated NBA playoff format) a couple of times.

JOB is a stop gap in the NBA, nothing more, nothing less. He's had some success w/ pretty terrible teams in transition.

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Old 01-24-2011, 11:52 AM
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As much as I liked Tom Frericks, O'Brien was his biggest mistake (that and firing DD).

I really think the Jack Ramsay influence had a lot to do with us hiring O'B in the first place. Maybe, maybe not.
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Old 01-24-2011, 12:55 PM
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DD Firing..

Something needed to change. Dayton's crown jewel and financial engine was stalled for three years, at least. Now, it could have been something other than the coach. But, knowing the kind of people Frericks and Fitz are; and the kind of institution UD is, letting DD go had to be about the most painful thing either guy could have ever experienced. And, no doubt they talked to others outside the UD circle.

But, the hiring process was incompetent in the extreme. UD's program was still very, very attractive at the time. There is no doubt that a top Big Tenn assistant could have been hired...or a successful head coach who wanted to move up. How such obvious choices could have been passed over for a guy with no experience is incomprehensible. Perhaps Fitz was not engaged and Tom F. was already ill. But even that doesn't explain it. They could have hired an outside consultant to come up with a few names and then selected one. For certain, JOB would not have been one of the names.

Tom F. made a very big mistake, the effects of which are felt to this day, in my opinion. The reason being that during the five JOB years the Dayton program declined to such as depth that we have been trying to get ourselves out of that hole ever since. X never went through a period like that. Neithrrt did Gonzaga.

DePaul is an example of what can happen when events get away from you. Once a program as respected as UD's, DePaul has fallen to such a low level that talk of them being booted from the Big East is common. They may recover, being in the Big East. But, it better happen soon.
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I really think the Jack Ramsay influence had a lot to do with us hiring O'B in the first place. Maybe, maybe not.
Gotta agree with Joe here. JOB was Ramsay's son-in-law. You gotta figure Frericks getting a call from Slick Rick and Dr. Jack was enuf to sway his mind in favor of JOB.
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:17 PM
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Incompetence!

Swampy, the Ramsey/Pitino angle and/or influence, if there is even the slightest truth to it, would be indicative of unacceptable incompetence.

It would be like allowing the recommendation of a very good, respected friend(s) to influence you to use a by-pass surgeon who had done only one or two such operations.

Or, if UD were to select a contractor to build its new apartment compex on the basis of a recommendation of a former trustee, even though the contractor had never done any more that build a house.

No matter how impressive and or respected the credentials of Ramsey and Pitino, hiring a new coach has a few basic requirements that cannot be compromised, one of which is considerable experience and a measure of past success related to the job. JOb had neither.

Now I would pay attention to the recommendations of Ramsey and Pitino if I had narrowed the search down to three experienced candidates, for example. But, how could anyone steer you to hire a person having no relevant experience?
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Gotta agree with Joe here. JOB was Ramsay's son-in-law. You gotta figure Frericks getting a call from Slick Rick and Dr. Jack was enuf to sway his mind in favor of JOB.
JOB's biggest booster was Jim Paxson, Sr. Paxson, Sr. was also one of Tom Frericks' best friends. Jim's son (Jim, Jr.) played for Dr. Jack at Portland. Start connecting the dots.

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I do remember being excited that JOB recruited a player who could dunk. That was a big deal after the steady diet of Don Donoher players. Al Sicard from CJ? Pretty soon he had Al chucking threes from the corner. Arrrrgggghhhh!
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One of my favorite (or make that least favorite) UD recruits of all-time was Willie Johnson. Willie was a junior college transfer who came from Chicago. At 6'8" he was going to really help the inside game for a couple of years in the late 70s. One of Willie's deficiencies was his jumping ability. He would squat down about 8-10 inches for his jump, but he only could jump about 4 inches off the ground. Net effect was that he was a 6'2" or so power forward. Willie was gone after one season.
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