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View Poll Results: Where should UD look for a coach?
Current UD assistant coach 63 46.32%
Current head coach from low major conference 17 12.50%
Assistant coach from top tier program 10 7.35%
A head coach fired from a top level program (Crean, Groce, ect) 31 22.79%
Ray Harper 15 11.03%
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Where would you like UD's coach to come from?

I know there are a lot of threads, but it's hard to tell overall consensus. A lot of different opinions, I'd thought it would be nice to get a gauge of everyone's thoughts. I know who I'll vote for.

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Kuwik and keep Ostrom. Not sure if Griffin will stick around. Also, Archie may poach Ostrom because of his recruiting skills. There is an open head assistant coach job at Syracuse.
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I was fine with any of the first four choices, but then I noticed Ray Harper and couldn't pass him up. I'm starting to wonder if Archie wanted to stay at UD but saw the writing on the wall with Ray Harper and therefore decided to take the IU job.
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I definitely think UD should look at Tim's. Right now. Drunkest guy gets the gig.
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This really is a difficult question to answer, because no matter what success a person has had at a certain level, to quote brokerage firms, past performance is not an indicator of future performance. People are successful in some situations for reasons that don't translate to other situations, and that's true whether it's a current UD assistant, an established top tier D1 coach who was fired, or a low major HC. If we only think short-term, and believe elevating a current assistant helps retain recruits, we may be better in the short run but hurt ourselves longer term. Is that risk worth it (assuming the recruits stayed) vs getting a new coach from outside but losing some or all of the recruits. I/m sure that the AD and President are thinking through all of these issues and more. All we can do is hope for the best.
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I shudder at the thought of "The King Rollo Show" on WHIO. Every question would be answered by "More weight training!"
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I shudder at the thought of "The King Rollo Show" on WHIO. Every question would be answered by "More weight training!"
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A current UD head coach; especially if one or more the other current basketball staffers, including operations folks, etc., stay on with the newly promoted HC.

Second choice: A former HC recently removed, within last 1-3 years, from a relatively major program. I still like Anthony Grant, as I think he would stay at UD for ten years if it worked out. At this point, I like Crean fine, but I think Georgetown might sign Crean, and it wouldn't send the best message for UD to swap coaches after he was fired...looks kind of like wicked step sister hand me downs.

I am okay with Croce; at-least he knows Ohio and has recruiting contacts all over the upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, Chicago, etc.

But please no Shaka Smart. If you want to get rid of me as a fan, that might just be the nail in Beatty Coffin. I would have to defect to another Ohio School.

I am thinking a panel from this board as the new collective coaching staff. Seriously, I think we would do a great job. Only problem is Mrs. Beatty doesn't Tweet...that could be boring following Morgan.

I like Neil Sullivan, I hope you keep it SIMPLE Neal. Don't over think it!! Look forward to your decision; and if you need nominations from this board, I can help you with that.

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But please no Shaka Smart. If you want to get rid of me as a fan, that might just be the nail in Beatty Coffin. I would have to defect to another Ohio School.
There is less than zero chance Shaka Smart is coming to Dayton. He's not jumping ship now and Texas isn't firing him.
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A current UD head coach; especially if one or more the other current basketball staffers, including operations folks, etc., stay on with the newly promoted HC.
Did you mean a current UD assistant coach?

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I am okay with Croce; at-least he knows Ohio and has recruiting contacts all over the upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, Chicago, etc.
Hard Pass. The reason he was fired at Illinois is he couldn't get any Chicago recruits and had poor AAU connections. Josh Cunningham passed on Illinois to go to Bradley initially is all you need to know.

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I am thinking a panel from this board as the new collective coaching staff. Seriously, I think we would do a great job. Only problem is Mrs. Beatty doesn't Tweet...that could be boring following Morgan.
Mrs. Beatty should have no problem tweeting as much as Morgan has since the Northwestern game when she went crazy. Pretty sure she was told to tone it down.

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But please no Shaka Smart. If you want to get rid of me as a fan, that might just be the nail in Beatty Coffin. I would have to defect to another Ohio School.
Where in the world have you seen Shaka Smart connected to the UD job. That makes no sense at all!
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Who's saying Shaka Smart?? That's borderline comical. He's making a boatload at Texas and there's zero percent chance that is happening.
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Almost went for "fired coach" on the basis of a candidate named Anthony Grant (code name: "Granthony"), but went for Current (as of last Friday) assistant, based on the Butler/X model of "Promote from within". Regardless, since neither Spina nor Sullivan seems to come from the "self-promotion" model, then I trust them implicitly to make the best decision for the long-term benefit of our program.

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CTime, yes, I meant to say assistant coache(s).

With all do respect, the reason Groce was fired at Illinois, is because he didn't win enough games, and/or make it to the NCAA Tournament. The administration could care a less if he did it with players from Chicago or LA, or Timbuktu. And, yes Groce would have geographical and recruiting history in Ohio; as that was my greater point. He is acceptable; but by no means is he a top choice from my perspective. Just not bad.

I never said Shaka Smart is coming to Dayton. However, I did see Smarts name associated with the Georgetown Job in an article about Tom Crean; and since I have zero use for Shaka, and if its okay with you, given that I am a longtime UD ticketholder, follow UD all over the Western Hemisphere, a UD Alum; and given that I have actually been to the NCAA Convention and coaches and players banquet awards dinner with every famous head coach and AD in America, long before anyone ever heard of Ryan Miller or Shaka Smart, or King Rollo (their respective parents not withstanding), I will reference my derogatory perspective towards Shaka Smart or any other over paid, Under 40 years of age, coach that I so choose. Thank you so much for your concern and feedback. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to sleep at night.

I am just poking the fun back at you, but you are right, I got my Dayton versus Georgetown coaching search stories a little crossed in my mind. But clearly I don't expect Dayton to interested in Shaka Smart; or vice versa. However, Shaka will be fired by Texas; maybe not in 2017, but he will be fired. What shaka failed to consider, is that the B12 already has a bully foul every nano-second style head coach; his name is huggy bear. And, he is not going to "havic" Kansas into submission. I think his days at Texas are numbered.

Who told Morgan Miller to tone it down? Was it an administrator, or was it her husband? I have a very specific reason for asking.

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CTime, yes, I meant to say assistant coache(s).
That is what I figured because it made no sense the way it was worded.

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I never said Shaka Smart is coming to Dayton.
Then what did you mean by this in your earlier post?

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But please no Shaka Smart. If you want to get rid of me as a fan, that might just be the nail in Beatty Coffin. I would have to defect to another Ohio School.
That sure sounded like you thought there was a chance Shaka was an option for Dayton.

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However, I did see Smarts name associated with the Georgetown Job in an article about Tom Crean

I am just poking the fun back at you, but you are right, I got my Dayton versus Georgetown coaching search stories a little crossed in my mind.
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Who told Morgan Miller to tone it down? Was it an administrator, or was it her husband? I have a very specific reason for asking.
I have no knowledge of who may have told her to tone it down, but her activity on twitter(especially during games) went down a lot after that game.

You have a good night BTC. I'll be doing more research on Ray Harper.
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I caught the Croce/Groce error and corrected it before you posted.

I never thought Shaka was in the mix, but I thought others were mentioning it. Again, I explained that.

No thanks on Ray Harper.

Watching NIT Championship with my 80 year old mother. Yes Ctime, we know it is only the semis. But you can correct me anyway.
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I caught the Croce/Groce error and corrected it before you posted.

I never thought Shaka was in the mix, but I thought others were mentioning it. Again, I explained that.

No thanks on Ray Harper.

Watching NIT Championship with my 80 year old mother. Yes Ctime, we know it is only the semis. But you can correct me anyway.
I saw you fixed the error and I erased that, but my concern is mainly that you aren't all in on Ray Harper.
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I imagine the pressure to produce a new coach is crazy in light of all the circumstances. This is a make-or-break deal finding a candidate that will get UD close to where the bar has been set imo.
It's looking like our program gains, if there were any at all, on Xavier is now set to drift further away from that level with a mediocre or bad hire.
I think the hire should be a coach who is a recruiter first. He is heading into the lion's den if he wants anything more than the scraps left by Mack, Archie, Cronin, Calipari, Pitino, Matta, Beilien, and the rest of the great recruiters in our little section of the country though.
I'm sorry but I have a really bad feeling about this next coach. I hope Sullivan and Spina can hit a homer with this hire but I have serious doubt it will happen. My fear is that we invest five years in a dud and I'm afraid that's my vision right now. I seriously hope this feeling is a false alarm and I'm wrong and our new coach takes the reigns and hits the ground running. I just see little way that's going to happen.
These guys didn't hire Archie. I can see them as deer in the headlights with the pressure and the expectations so high. Again I hope I'm dead wrong. We will see in a few..
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SELL ME; okay not literally, but sell me on Harper.

But hear this: When Shaka Smart is ousted at UT (not the Toledo Rockets...clarification for Ctime), I am suspicious that Harper heads home to his Alma Mater. Given that I see Shaka getting ousted inside the next one or two years, that would leave UD, potentially, right back in the current need to hire head coach scenario.

What is so great about Harper? What does he know about Ohio, UD, or the Atlantic Ten? Is he best pals with some powerful AAU/CYO coaches?
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SELL ME; okay not literally, but sell me on Harper.

But hear this: When Shaka Smart is ousted at UT (not the Toledo Rockets...clarification for Ctime), I am suspicious that Harper heads home to his Alma Mater. Given that I see Shaka getting ousted inside the next one or two years, that would leave UD, potentially, right back in the current need to hire head coach scenario.

What is so great about Harper? What does he know about Ohio, UD, or the Atlantic Ten? Is he best pals with some powerful AAU/CYO coaches?
You must not have read all of DaytonDandy's posts about him. He's awesome and the best coach ever. That's all you need to know!!!!!!

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Smile The timing is actually good.

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I imagine the pressure to produce a new coach is crazy in light of all the circumstances. This is a make-or-break deal finding a candidate that will get UD close to where the bar has been set imo.
It's looking like our program gains, if there were any at all, on Xavier is now set to drift further away from that level with a mediocre or bad hire.
I think the hire should be a coach who is a recruiter first. He is heading into the lion's den if he wants anything more than the scraps left by Mack, Archie, Cronin, Calipari, Pitino, Matta, Beilien, and the rest of the great recruiters in our little section of the country though.
I'm sorry but I have a really bad feeling about this next coach. I hope Sullivan and Spina can hit a homer with this hire but I have serious doubt it will happen. My fear is that we invest five years in a dud and I'm afraid that's my vision right now. I seriously hope this feeling is a false alarm and I'm wrong and our new coach takes the reigns and hits the ground running. I just see little way that's going to happen.
These guys didn't hire Archie. I can see them as deer in the headlights with the pressure and the expectations so high. Again I hope I'm dead wrong. We will see in a few..
Your concerns and fears are understandable; but really the timing, all though never perfect, is about as good as gets with the run-up to the final four. The final four is the national coaches, presidents, and AD's NCAA Convention, for basketball, and that helps with the networking and the increased number of qualified available applicants to have meetings and conversations with. Plus, many assistants just got put on notice, as their head boss took another position, etc. It is much better now, than another week or so...much better.

Bottom line, every hire is a gamble, that's the nature of life and HR world. There is never a guarantee. I only hope, that while the new UD Head Coach is given ample time to prove himself; I also, hope we don't let an obvious bad situation linger over not wanting to hurt the family of the coach. If anything, I think Mr. Sullivan will learn some lessons from the Archie situation; and thus it will positively impact how he moves forward with hiring and contact negotiations.

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Any hire besides Harper's would be just Bazaar.. It's pretty much common knowledge on this board now.
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I hope you're right and the timing proves beneficial, BTC. I would go for two of the assistants as my first choice after thinking about it. They're not just any assistants they were brought up under Archie. Archie had good vision and I think the AD should take heed of that. One or more may follow but I think there would've been an announcement by now from Archie'a camp so that UD can move along quickly with the process. Out of respect. I know, don't throw things at me
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I don't throw stuff, it's Ctime you gotta [sic] watch (or correct in his case).

But you would think the assistant has to crap or get off the pot, if they want either a UD position or Indiana position. You cannot keep both potential employers dangling, or they move on without you.
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I like the prospect of keeping thw two Assisitant coaches. Make Ostrom coach, Kuwik associate coach and then let the new coach hire 2 more assistant coaches to fill the coaching slots. I would hope that any other administrative staff such as Strength, Trainer etc. would stay in place. This approach would mean that UD only has to hire two newcomers into the program. This might enable us to get most of the recruits to stay with UD. Since the two top coaches know everything there is about Archies system, we could put it place and the returning players won't miss a beat. Then there is only the newcomers to get up speed.

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One of the current assistants. It's our best shot at keeping the incoming freshman. Take a chance that the model that's worked at Butler and eggzavier will work for the Flyers.
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep our recruits, and maybe it's the best of both worlds, but keeping our current recruits may be short-term thinking if our assistant isn't up to the job long term. Getting the right coach is the most important thing.
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After giving this some thought, just my personal opinion...i'd like to see Anthony Grant as the next UD coach for the following reasons:

- He's got a more emotional investment than any "up and coming coach"- so he's not here to impress for 4-6 years and then step up as our last coach did
- He's got fantastic coaching pedigree, see Donoher, Donovan, etc...
- He played here ^ see first point
- He has high level of integrity
- Overall- a good coaching record; Yes he struggled a bit at Alabama- but that school is a football school first and to a much less supported degree- a basketball school- though historically they've had good and bad periods- AG really only had 1 sub .500 season there
- Unlike some of you on this board, I'm 55 and don't see his age as a handicap, I see it as a plus (read wisdom)
- i think the current players would take to him and I think he'd keep most if not all the recruits
- I see no negative...
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After giving this some thought, just my personal opinion...i'd like to see Anthony Grant as the next UD coach for the following reasons:

- He's got a more emotional investment than any "up and coming coach"- so he's not here to impress for 4-6 years and then step up as our last coach did
You don't know that, AG could be gone in 5 or 6 years, or even less than that, just like AM. AG only stayed at VCU for 3 years. AG could totally use UD as a stepping stone, which is fine IMO, but let's not act like he is 100% going to be here longer than AM.
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You don't know that, AG could be gone in 5 or 6 years, or even less than that, just like AM. AG only stayed at VCU for 3 years. AG could totally use UD as a stepping stone, which is fine IMO, but let's not act like he is 100% going to be here longer than AM.
Agree I don't truly know his intentions (or even interest at this point) - just a gut feeling. For most people, once you get to a certain age, you start looking for a place to end a career but also a place of comfort. He's likely to be given less grief for an off year or 2 at UD than he would be at say OSU where every year is considered life or death.
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You don't know that, AG could be gone in 5 or 6 years, or even less than that, just like AM. AG only stayed at VCU for 3 years. AG could totally use UD as a stepping stone, which is fine IMO, but let's not act like he is 100% going to be here longer than AM.
There's never "100%" on anything outside of death. Let's just go into this saying there is NOBODY then that will stay at UD forever. AG will be 51 years of age in a couple weeks..Say he's here 5-6 years, turns the program into X or better, and follows up with top 15 rankings most years. Well,he'll be 57 years old at that time and probably wealthier than he'll ever need to be as raises and bonuses will certainly follow should the program be on the perennial climb. With his equity in the UD program both as a player and a HC it may very well quench his thirst and , again,he may very well refuse to look at UD as a stepping stone job because it may actually not be that type of job..
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I'm sorry but I have a really bad feeling about this next coach. I hope Sullivan and Spina can hit a homer with this hire but I have serious doubt it will happen. My fear is that we invest five years in a dud and I'm afraid that's my vision right now. I seriously hope this feeling is a false alarm and I'm wrong and our new coach takes the reigns and hits the ground running. I just see little way that's going to happen.
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I am diappointed that this pool does not include an option for a current head coach wanting to make a move from a spposedly high profile school. A move to one of the greatest fan bases of all time. A coach tired of playing to empty arenas where football is king. A coach tired of traveling to small university-only locations to play games out in farmlands. A coach frustrated with being in the middle of the pack in a conference instead of the top of a conference where an NCAA berth is attainable. A coach who wants to play in a top notch facility like Dayton arena where nationally televised NCAA play-in games are held. Dayton needs to start thinking like a big top destination for coaches instead of settling for hiring a young assistant coach. We are a better place than we are giving ourselves credit for.
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Actually Buckleyma I agree with every thing you say, except, if you are that kind of a program, your top assistant coach should be able to hit the ground running and continue the success with no interruption. Obviously just my opinion.
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Where should UD look for a coach?

On the planet Krypton.
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On the planet Krypton.
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When I saw you liked the poll results, I anticipated them all being at 15 votes each.
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Is it too late to place bets? I mean votes?

Ray Harper seems like a good choice. At least for some he's better than the HC we just hired!
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