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Wasn't it BRob vs. CJ?
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Knicks and UD fans have been begging Thibs to change his rotations and tonight he did. Obi was one of the first guys off the bench, replacing Julius Randle in the 1Q. Unfortunately it was only for 3 minutes. Same deal in the 3Q for another 3 minutes.
The Knicks Wall explains:
Any change in the rotation is noteworthy when we're talking about Thibs
These early Toppin subs seem to be for the purpose of juicing the second unit by bringing back Randle with the second unit
One of the replies to this tweet gets to the heart of the matter:
He’s been trying to match Zion and Randle's minutes so Obi doesn’t get stuck on Zion
The result: 6 minutes, 0-1, 1 board, +4.
Norvel Pelle, who is on a 10 day contrcat has played 13 minutes.
Frustrating.
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Obi entered the game vs the Mavs with 4:40 to go in the first. He played 2:20, grabbed 2 boards and was replaced by the red-hot Julius Randle.
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The message is pretty clear at this point. Coach wants Obi to play hard defense without fouling, grab rebounds to start the break, keep the ball moving on offense.
This is the formula for getting on the court. Teams are in the countdown toward the playoffs and Thibs is honing his approach.
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Obi got 5 1st half minutes and hit a post-up turnaround J. He also grabbed a board and got a block on D that the official scorer didn't give him credit for. And Obi's 2nd half run is allotted to Kevin Knox instead.
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Obi got 5 1st half minutes and hit a post-up turnaround J. He also grabbed a board and got a block on D that the official scorer didn't give him credit for. And Obi's 2nd half run is allotted to Kevin Knox instead.
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Importantly, Obi's game is clearly slowing down.
His defense is improving. For the most part, he does not overplay the ball. He appears to anticipate the rebound well.
For the first time in weeks, I am optimistic that he will now make significant improvements as this season continues.
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The Knicks have won 7 in a row. I seriously doubt any coach is gonna mess with success.
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The Knicks have won 7 in a row. I seriously doubt any coach is gonna mess with success.
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That means Obi's playing time will probably be cut in half! From 10 minutes a game combined for the second and fourth quarters to 5 minutes total in the second quarter with Kevin Knox getting the additional 5 minutes in the fourth quarter. It seems like Tibs thinks that Randle can get by with a few minutes less rest before he returns to the lineup!
I've noticed a trend and you are right, he doesn't want to mess with success!
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The Knicks (5th in the East) are a 1/2 game behind and host Atlanta (4th) tonite...winner takes over 4th with 12 games remaining...4th place hosts 1st round match-ups in the playoffs...something no Knicks fan could have expected 3 months ago.
Watch Obi's playing time tonite...it'll be a great indictor of how Coach T believes Obi fits in to his strategies.
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The only danger coach is riding the Randle horse into the ground.
if Randle gets hurt or wears down from all the minutes, the Knicks might be hurting.
Until then, keep riding your success.
Also, I would not be at all surprised to see a dramatic jump in minutes played by Obi next year.
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A week and a half from today we’ll see what the Knicks are all about as they will go from playing one of the weakest schedules to murders row. They are scheduled to play most of the top Western Conference teams all on the road during a six game road trip. Obi will get more minutes as the Knicks will begin to slide back to reality and Randle will need more rest. For resting purposes I would not be surprise Randle does not play in at least one of the road games.
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Obi got an extended 6:25 run in the 2Q with DRose @ PG. Rose scored in a variety of ways and also fed #1 on this fast break:
https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...33982564306946
Obi re-enterd the game with :45 left in the 3Q, so he is getting his 4Q minutes back. Both Nerlens Noel and Taj Gibson left the game after getting smacked in the face. Trae Young also left the game for ATL.
Obi finishes with 2 points, 6 boards, 1 dime and +10 in a very positive 12 minutes of action in the Knicks 8th straight win. Most importantly he played great D like this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...48826248040449
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Obi and the NYK are on ESPN this afternoon at 1:00pm EDT vs the Raptors.
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Obi performed well during his allotted minutes. The Knickerbockers’ players are having fun and appear to like one another as reportedly they want to be know as “The Big 15”. It was nice hearing the commentators say that on road trips Randle has everyone hangout in his room playing cards and stuff so the team can bond.
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Great to see him gaining some traction on defense & offense.
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Obi had a steal and then got a jam off a feed from IQ:
https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...51922611736578
He finishes 3-5, 6 points, 1 dime and 3 boards in 10 minutes.
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Thanks Swampy for feeding us Obi hi-lights. You are doing the Lord's work!
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I said before the draft last year that the 2 players I could compare against Obi’s skill sets were from my younger days: James Worthy and Robert Horry. Worthy for how he could fill the lane on the break. Horry for his outside shooting capability. Granted, he’s still a rookie, but I saw flashes of Worthy in those highlights.
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"Obi Toppin’s confidence beginning to rise with Knicks"
https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/obi-to...e-with-knicks/
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Obi got 6 productive minutes of 1st half burn. He was 3-4 from the FT line, had 2 boards, 1 steal and one dime and was +5.
He got fouled on 2 takes to the rim--here's one of them:
https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...18289939038208
Here is his block on Kenyon martin, Jr.:
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With a 30 point lead, Thibs decided to just roll with the second unit most of the 4Q. Kenyon Martin, Jr got some payback on #1 by blocking his shot, but then Obi did this:
https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...39084023209995
In 17 minutes he finished with 5 points, 3 boards, an assist, a steal and a block.
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Nice profile on Obi's progress from The Knicks Wall:
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Obi missed his first two shots but then cashed in this alley oop:
https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...96611898429441
He also made a steal that led to a hoop and added 2 boards and a steal in his 7 first half minutes.
Obi got 3 more minutes in the 2nd half and grabbed a board, then Jules came back in.
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"Might be the best sequence of Obi Toppin's Knicks career just now. He gets switched out on Chris Paul but holds his own and blocks his 3. Then he gets behind the defense and finishes the break with a dunk after a great outlet pass by RJ Barrett."
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The message is pretty clear at this point. Coach wants Obi to play hard defense without fouling, grab rebounds to start the break, keep the ball moving on offense.
This is the formula for getting on the court. Teams are in the countdown toward the playoffs and Thibs is honing his approach.
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His rebo unds have increased the past 10 games, surely. He's figuring out what Coach Thibs wants from him and simply finding his own place/niche in the team structure.
Much improved minutes the last few weeks!
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Obi and the NYK travel to LA to face the Clips at 3:30pm EDT on Mother’s Day on ESPN.
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#1 drilled a triple in the first half:
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He performed well today with his minutes in the team’s huge victory.
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What are your thoughts on Obi at this point? Will he stick around long-term (10-12 years)? Will he ever be a starter? A #1 or #2 scoring option? Just a journeyman bench player?
A lot of it depends on his development, obviously. Particularly his strength and 3pt shooting. 28% on threes isn't getting it done, and he could use quite a bit more bulk. But assuming both of those happen... a league-average 35-37% 3pt shooter and enough bulk to hold his own. Where does he end up?
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My thoughts are he gets traded in the off season. He just does not fit what the Knicks are trying to do (at least currently). If team record was poor, Tibs might be gone. And Obi could be a piece for a new coach with a new offense. But the Knicks are actually good now.
It may take awhile to find the right fit. Until the right fit, he is a bench sub. In a more open, free offense, his points will go up. If he can find the right fit, I think he starts and is just a notch below all star. Career length will depend on finding that right fit and then health. At some point, his mobility and athleticism will take a hit... Father Time does not miss.
As much as he seems to want to play for his home town Knicks, he really needs to get away from them...
Just one mans thoughts...
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I feel like his limiting factors right now are strength and lack of aggressiveness. He is not a "create off the dribble" kind of player, which is what the NBA favors with it's structure. I think his 3pt shooting will be good over his career. The silver lining with the Knicks is that he is getting a good education on defense from Tibs.
His strength will improve, and most importantly, his aggressiveness will come with some seasoning and increasing confidence. I think he will have a long career. I don't see his athleticism fading for a long time.
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Here is a spreadsheet with the Knicks' contract terms:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html
The only big men signed for guaranteed money next year are Obi, Julius Randle and Kevin Knox, who is a SF. Robinson has a club option; Novel Pelle's $ are not guaranteed.
I'm not sure they will trade Obi. What Thibs needs to do is find a way to play Randle and Toppin together, rather than separately.
Obi can create off the dribble when he has a mismatch. The Knicks offense needs to look for him when he gets switched off to a smaller guy. That and look for him on alley oop and rim running opportunities. We all know that all you have to do is throw it up there and #1 will get it. His teammates are still figuring that out.
I think he stays with New York and continues to improve.
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It all depends on the team. I honestly think Obi would be a starter/25+ mpg on 5 or 6 teams right now...Houston, OKC, Minnesota, etc. But is his goal to play alot on crappy teams or play an important role on a contender?
If he wants to play on crappy teams, he'll have a good run simply because he's athletic, entertaining and knows how to have fun. But at some point, even crappy teams have to dump veterans.
So IMRO, his best bet is to bust his ass and accept his role with the NYK until his next contract is up...then he can take the next step to finding a team that wants him as a starter.
It may end up being the Knicks...he's definitely in their future. Whether that's as a starter or key role player is TBD.
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I agree NYK is a terrible fit for him, AND an important thing for him. You can't be aggressive when you're lost in space out there. Once he learns how to play defense for real, his confidence will grow. Will he stick around long enough to get the hang of it or get traded? Had he ended up at some other team he might be averaging 20 minutes a game yet getting worse by building bad habits.
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I'm not ready to write off Obi and the Knicks yet. Obi is effective is minutes lately. Derrick Rose has helped his game. I expect Obi to have more playing time next year and the offense to better take advantage of his skills.
I think Obi does not fit the Knicks very well. The Knicks are 2nd last in the league in assists per game (down from last year). To be fair, the difference between the top team in the league to worst team in the league in assists is 6 per game. The Knicks go one on one a lot and have Obi as the outlet in the corner.
You cannot argue with the Knicks winning right now. One of the hottest teams in the NBA. The formula is working for now. The formula gets them to the playoffs which is much better than history of late.
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The alley oop to Obi out of the time out was a clear sign that he has a role on the team. Obi is figuring out the NBA game, and guys are figuring out Obi.
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The alley oop to Obi out of the time out was a clear sign that he has a role on the team. Obi is figuring out the NBA game, and guys are figuring out Obi.
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may be in the running for NBA Coach of the Year. Why in the world would he be gone? He is making Freshman Obi Toppin a much better all around basketball play than he was at Dayton. The objective of the NY Knicks is to win games. The Knicks are having their best season in a long time. Obi is contributing off the bench to a very good team and learning to rebound and defend in the process. Go Obi! Go Knicks!
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may be in the running for NBA Coach of the Year. Why in the world would he be gone?
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I'm not ready to write off Obi and the Knicks yet. Obi is effective is minutes lately. Derrick Rose has helped his game. I expect Obi to have more playing time next year and the offense to better take advantage of his skills.
I think Obi does not fit the Knicks very well. The Knicks are 2nd last in the league in assists per game (down from last year). To be fair, the difference between the top team in the league to worst team in the league in assists is 6 per game. The Knicks go one on one a lot and have Obi as the outlet in the corner.
You cannot argue with the Knicks winning right now. One of the hottest teams in the NBA. The formula is working for now. The formula gets them to the playoffs which is much better than history of late.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...on-per-report/
Who knows...do the they use some power with him to grab more talent? Does he gamble for more money or take the easy path?
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As a NYer who listens or watches all Knick games as well as all social media and press. There is NO talk from not only fans but more importantly any feeling from management about trading Obi. Perhaps around 4 or 5 bad games after All Star break people were getting down on him. But hes figuring it out and finding his role.
My 2 cents. He stays in NY another year. Continues to progress on D, scoring and doing the little things. Then, he may likely be on the trading block for a good offer, or if his role is still limited here.
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Even in the NBA, a lob play to Obi is hard to stop when the floor gets spread and his man is tempted to help.
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Many others have tried to imitate but were unsuccessful because they don't have the
coordination that Obi has.
When he starts his jump from behind the bankboard you can just see the look on guys
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The best thing to happen to the Knicks this year was Randle having a career year. The worst thing to happen to Obi (as far as playing time) was Randle having a career year. Knick coach has shown no desire to play Randle and Obi at the same time.
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Obi's greatest weakness is/was his defense. He may not be a great fit for the Knicks now, but the Knicks are the best fit for him as Coach T will force Obi to play hard defense ever second he's on the court which will, in turn, make him more of a complete player.
Assuming Obi's defense matches his athleticism and abilities, he will be a more complete player each season which will only benefit him when his rookie contract expires.
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Obi's greatest weakness is/was his defense. He may not be a great fit for the Knicks now, but the Knicks are the best fit for him as Coach T will force Obi to play hard defense ever second he's on the court which will, in turn, make him more of a complete player.
Assuming Obi's defense matches his athleticism and abilities, he will be a more complete player each season which will only benefit him when his rookie contract expires.
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Obi only got 3 scoreless minutes in the first half. Now Randle is starting the 4Q and he is currently 5-17. Thibs is determined to run his All Star into the ground in a meaningless game, as the NYK have already clinched a playoff spot for the first time since 2013. Randle plays 45 minutes and the Knicks win.
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Not a meaningless game. 4th seed and home court advantage in round #1 is still up for grabs and within reach. Currently in 6th place and looking at playing the Bucks in the first round. I would fight for three wins to end the season and hopefully avoid the above scenarios.
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Far from meaningless, This is on OBI, first he avoided contact and let a Spur get right to basket and then got beat easy on next possession. He is very very timid when it comes to contact. You may disagree with Thibs this one on OBI. Knicks can still finish 4 and get home court.
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Obi needs to be patient - he will start once Randle blows out a knee or dies from exhaustion.
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Obi needs to be patient - he will start once Randle blows out a knee or dies from exhaustion.
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Summer League - The Knicks need for Obi to show off his skills this summer so they can trade him. Value is too low to trade now. And you don't need your lottery pick to be the back up to the best player on the team. I don't see Obi in a Knicks uniform more the next season. And if does really well in the Summer league look for him to be moved sooner. But he has been playing with more confidence on O the last few weeks - to that is encouraging for his long term outlook.
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When you have a deficiency, part of the cure is watching from the bench. The game is still a bit fast for him, but that won't last forever.
Also, I would not bank on Obi being a one-for-one solution if Randle goes down. He's just not ready for it. It will likely be a series of changes.
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How can the Knicks earn a 4-seed and home court advantage if Obi plays 20 mpg?
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Never got a chance to find out. No reason Obi and Randle can’t play on the court together.
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Monty Williams of Phoenix Suns voted NBCA Coach of the Year...sorry Thibs, but only if you had played Obi more he would have gotten you the award just like he did for his last coach
Now take that for data!
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ar-sources-say
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Obi was brought along slowly this year and Randle had a great year.
Obi is a very hard worker. He has improved since the beginning of the season. His output and work has improved. Derrick Rose has been the best thing that happened to Obi this season.
Carson Palmer did not play a single down his rookie year and became an excellent quarterback. Some coaches prefer the slow initiation to the league.
I have heard a lot of comments about defense. Obi is improving. The NBA averages over 100 points a game. I never thought of Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and many others as great defenders. You don’t have to great on D if you can outscore your opponents.
I expect more playing time and output from Obi in a Knicks uniform next season. The Knicks will need it if they expect to be better than fourth in the East next year.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Obi was brought along slowly this year and Randle had a great year.
Obi is a very hard worker. He has improved since the beginning of the season. His output and work has improved. Derrick Rose has been the best thing that happened to Obi this season.
Carson Palmer did not play a single down his rookie year and became an excellent quarterback. Some coaches prefer the slow initiation to the league.
I have heard a lot of comments about defense. Obi is improving. The NBA averages over 100 points a game. I never thought of Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and many others as great defenders. You don’t have to great on D if you can outscore your opponents.
I expect more playing time and output from Obi in a Knicks uniform next season. The Knicks will need it if they expect to be better than fourth in the East next year.
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Obi's defense wasn't as bad as was reported in my opinion. I often saw him trying to split 2 defenders because another NYKnick player took the night off on defense - which usually led to an open pass to Obi's man and an easy bucket. I think Obi wisely chose to not cover defensive breakdowns as much towards the end of the season if it meant his man would be wide open; and a good choice that was. I'm not a fan of Tom Thibideau. I see LOTS of players on the Knicks not playing stellar defense. I know Obi is playing for his dream team but I hope he gets traded to a better program. Also know I'm likely in the minority with my opinion but fortunately this isn't Twitter or Facebook where my posts just get deleted for being politically incorrrect.
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There’s joy in Tom Thibodeau and the playoff bound Knicks:
https://www.theringer.com/2021/5/21/...ks-playoff-run
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Nice article. But he was throwing flower wreaths out to most of the team. As i was reading deeper into the article I was just waiting for our guy to at least be acknowledged. Never happened. Worse than criticism, is getting no mention at all.
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Nice article. But he was throwing flower wreaths out to most of the team. As i was reading deeper into the article I was just waiting for our guy to at least be acknowledged. Never happened. Worse than criticism, is getting no mention at all.
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I agree! I signed up for the NBA League Pass back in March for the Knicks games only at a savings and I feel I have gotten my money's worth. We all wish Obi had gotten more playing time but Thibs could have at least acknowleded Obi's effort and hustle in this article. I hope that no mention at all causes Obi to get a chip on his shoulder in the playoffs and prove to his coach that he deserved accolades as well as some of the other subs that were mentioned.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Obi was brought along slowly this year and Randle had a great year.
Obi is a very hard worker. He has improved since the beginning of the season. His output and work has improved. Derrick Rose has been the best thing that happened to Obi this season.
Carson Palmer did not play a single down his rookie year and became an excellent quarterback. Some coaches prefer the slow initiation to the league.
I have heard a lot of comments about defense. Obi is improving. The NBA averages over 100 points a game. I never thought of Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and many others as great defenders. You don’t have to great on D if you can outscore your opponents.
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Quarterbacks are wholly different. Are they examples of pro basketball players going from very minor role players to stars?
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Quarterbacks are wholly different. Are they examples of pro basketball players going from very minor role players to stars?
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Obi will be fine, but it’s the life of a rookie:
“Knicks’ Obi Toppin may be demoted in NBA playoffs“
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He may get a demotion, but he and the second team were the reason they got back into the game yesterday...
Randle was bad...
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yes, in fact there are quite a few times
this has happened... let me just toss
out Goran Dragic: 45th overall pick by
the Spurs, traded to Phoenix 2 days later..
had a tough time getting used to the
NBA game.. first 20 games, averaged only
12 minutes, 2.7 points, 1.5 assists,
1.2 turnovers and 1.6 fouls/game
first 2 years in the NBA, career averages
6.5 pts and 2.6 assists/game. He would
become one of the best all around guards
in the NBA... there's 1, google and you
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I want you to do some work and find other
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I'll toss a 2nd one out for maddog:
there really are several out there..
Hassan Whiteside
first 2 years in the NBA with Sacramento,
he averaged less than 2pts/game less
and just over 2.2 rebounds/game, averaging
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traded to Miami.. next 6 years at Miami and
Portland, he became a double/double
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What I see in watching Knicks games and highlights is that the Knicks bench (fellow players) like Obi. He is a favorite with the players. Of course, this is a small sample size and I am positively biased toward Obi.
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More so than even other NBA Teams is the clear out on offense and having one player go to the basket. The other four offensive players go to their respective neutral corners and watch as the fifth player drives hard to the basket.
What surprised me was on the Obi Dunk in the playoff game was that he was under the basket when he got the ball from his driving teammate. I can only think that he was out of position.
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He also seems to be a favorite of the fans. Two of the loudest points in the game were after Obi's made buckets.
Thibs is a great coach, but his quirky lineup choices I just can't get behind. Bullock is always underwhelming. Obi and Quickley should both play more.
Putting Ntilikina in to guard the best player on the floor in the most important moment of the game when he hasn't even taken his warm up off the whole night...
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I think some people forget that Obi's biggest question mark / concern to those in the NBA was his defense or lack there of. He is now learning from the most defensively minded coach in the NBA. This season was a lot of wax on wax off for Obi. It should pay him long term dividends in future seasons. And hopefully Obi will have a stellar Summer league for the Knicks and be ready come fall to push for many more minutes for his home team.
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Why would he want to change... because he is a baller, and doesn't want to sit on the bench for 3/4 of each game.
Instant gratification? They have played 72 games so far this season.
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How many of the top 10 draft picks are on Play-Off teams?
#6 Okongwu with Hawks (4.6 ppg and 3 min/0 pts in 1st playoff game);
#8 Toppin (4.1 ppg and 12 min/5 pts in 1st playoff game);
#9 Avdija with Wizards (6.3 ppg and Not-on-Roster for 1st playoff game); and
#10 Smith with Suns (2.0 ppg and DNP in both playoff games)
Maybe that has something to do with it.
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Originally Posted by rollo
How many of the top 10 draft picks are on Play-Off teams?
#6 Okongwu with Hawks (4.6 ppg and 3 min/0 pts in 1st playoff game);
#8 Toppin (4.1 ppg and 12 min/5 pts in 1st playoff game);
#9 Avdija with Wizards (6.3 ppg and Not-on-Roster for 1st playoff game); and
#10 Smith with Suns (2.0 ppg and DNP in both playoff games)
Maybe that has something to do with it.
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Obi has more points in the playoffs in one season than Zion has in two. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse
is on a playoff team playing for a good coach and becoming a good player at the professional level in his home town. Why would he want to change anything? I guess the instant gratification crowd thinks otherwise.
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And Brudsdar Graterol pitched for the Twins in 2019 before being traded to the Dodgers in 2020, where he won a World Series ring.
My point of course is that you can learn things in one place, and apply them with greater success somewhere else. It's one potential outcome among many.
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Julius Randle is having an off night—zero 1st quarter points—so it’s time for Obi to shine. He made 2 FTs and then drained a triple:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStrick...10973033664513
In 6 2Q minutes #1 scored 5 points and snared 2 boards.
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