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These guys do not look for Obi. Several times he’s wide open on a pick and roll or streaking down the court and no pass. He’s going have to start getting selfish
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He's fine just letting the game come to him. Those misgivings will be blatantly obvious in film sessions and they will correct themselves.
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I noticed that, too. He’s the consummate team player, which is great, but when he does pass off, he never gets the ball back. It’s hurting his stats. He did have another nice assist under the basket in the second half and a couple of rebounds but no points. He’s going to have to be more assertive because he’s surrounded by guys more interested in shooting the rock than looking for the open man.

And his defense needs work.
Or it could be because they’ve been together for a short time.
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And hey, they are Exhibitions!
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I've watched a few of these NY exhibition games, and I agree that Obi is playing team ball like he did at UD, while the rest of the squad has NBA-itis. He also is not totally comfortable and not shooting well from the perimeter yet. I see why there was criticism of his lower body strength and defense now. Everyone in the NBA is big, talented and THICK. I do feel he has a quickness advantage on most of the NBA for his size and length though. And he can really shoot and pass along with some pretty good ball handling ability for his size. In my mind, the passing is part of what makes Obi special even at the NBA level. That will be more evident when he settles into the NBA game and gets some seasoning.

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Early impressions of Knicks' Obi Toppin through his first NBA preseason action

Without the Las Vegas Summer League and extended preseason we’re used to, Knicks fans only get a few glimpses at Obi Toppin, New York’s eighth overall selection in this year’s draft, before he takes the court for his first official NBA contest.

Even under normal circumstances, information gleaned thus far would be sketchy at best, and with only three preseason games down and one to go, what we’re seeing out of the sky-scraping rookie may look very different in a short amount of time.

Still, here’s what little we’ve learned about Toppin thus far, with plenty to like and some things to keep watch over...


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Knicks’ Obi Toppin missed out on crucial learning experience

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The Knicks regular season opens Wednesday night vs. Indiana.
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I can only speak for DirecTV, as that is the service that I have, but the first week of NBA games is free. I think there will be three Knicks games available in addition to the NBA-TV game.
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Obi begins his NBA career with 1:15 remaining in the 1st quarter vs. Indy and did not touch the ball.

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Obi opened the 2nd by missing a driving layup. He made a nice pass to Kevin Knox who missed the three. The Knicks bigs are racking up the PFs which could be good for #1. Obi missed a triple try and a long two.
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Obi's first NBA points come via a three pointer: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...12150256840704

In 13 minutes in the half, he is 1-4 from the field, has 2 boards, 2 blocks and 1 assist and is +6. Knicks lead 66-61.
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I’m not sure if it’s the offense or obi just being somewhat uncomfortable still but he hangs out in the corner beyond the 3 point line during most possessions. Hopefully will see him get more aggressive towards the rim with and without the ball like we are used to seeing.
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Obi checks in early in the 3rd when starting PF Julius Randle picks up his 4th PF. Obi rainbows a three:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...21092567502849

He then fakes a three but misses the layup. Obi airballs a three. He is 2-7 from the field; 2-4 from three.

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Obi got absolutely snuffed by Myles Turner. He ends the 3Q 2-10 with 6 pts, 3 rebs and 2 blocks
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The bank is open late for Obi thrice!

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I love Obi but he’s taking way too many 3’s- this is not his game
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Rooted for the Knicks during the glory years of Red Holzman when I was a kid, but have pretty much stopped watching NBA basketball in recent years as I find it unwatchable. When Obi was drafted by NY, my old pals kidded me that I was gonna have to be a Knick fan again. I'm trying, but this is painful to watch and Obi looks lost. I wouldn't even know what to tell him to do to improve. Their offense is a mess. He's gone from an extremely complex, but structured offensive system to one that has no structure whatsoever.
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I love Obi but he’s taking way too many 3’s- this is not his game
Obi’s MO is he’s going to do what the coaches ask him to do to help the team. I know the Knicks need 3 pt shooting. That might be his role early this season and maybe all year. If that’s the case Obi will buy in and he will get better at it because he will work at it every day. Teams will have to respect him or he will find a way to make you pay.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
Obi’s MO is he’s going to do what the coaches ask him to do to help the team. I know the Knicks need 3 pt shooting. That might be his role early this season and maybe all year. If that’s the case Obi will buy in and he will get better at it because he will work at it every day. Teams will have to respect him or he will find a way to make you pay.
I have no doubt you are correct as far as Obi doing what he's asked and getting good at it. However, I have to question if that's best for Obi's future, and the Knicks future to have him chucking up 3s. I don't follow the NBA much, but from what I gather, they aren't going anywhere this season and if they are going somewhere, it's going to take Obi doing what Obi does best and that's not chucking up 3s. And if they aren't going anywhere, again, it seems that Obi and Knicks future would be better served having him work among the trees more with the occasional 3 to keep things honest.

But, again, I'm not an NBA fan and maybe they feel that Obi can become a monster if he improves upon 3s and gets his confidence from there before they unleash the real Obi in the paint.
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Obi’s MO is he’s going to do what the coaches ask him to do to help the team. I know the Knicks need 3 pt shooting. That might be his role early this season and maybe all year. If that’s the case Obi will buy in and he will get better at it because he will work at it every day. Teams will have to respect him or he will find a way to make you pay.
We are seeing the same song throughout the NBA. Rosters have changed, training camps were rare, new offenses and defenses are being implemented. I watched the Mavs for 10 minutes and turned it off. Obi will be fine, but I worry about the Knicks.
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I love Obi but he’s taking way too many 3’s- this is not his game
Actually 3/7 is fine for threes. I'm glad he kept a straight face on the one that banked in.

He has to finish inside the arc. 0-5 won't work. His stat line is ok.

Luka Doncic was 0-6, 11-26 and got stuffed too much. The NBA play right now is ragged.
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I love Obi but he’s taking way too many 3’s- this is not his game
This is what players do when they get to the NBA.
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Ok in his first game he was 3 of 7 from 3 - 43% Pretty darn good , but were he’s been a master % wise he was 0 for 5. Needs to get that part of his game going again !
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Obi has to adjust when inside the arc. He has never seen 10 quick hands at once like the NBA offers. Especially when they are bumping and grinding him at the same time they are poking at the ball. He will adjust over time.

But as was posted earlier, Obi is dutifully helping Coach T implement the offense and defense. It's no time to worry about stats.
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Obi is listed as doubtful with a sore right calf for tomorrow's game.
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Saw a tweet where Coach T said he is definitely out tonight, although he was feeling better today.
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NY Post:

"Knicks rookie Obi Toppin will be out at least 7-10 days"

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Obi listed in the box score with 1-minute of play last night. Anybody see the game? Hoping he didnt tweek anything and the 1-minute of play was nothing more than seeing how he felt at game speed, which seems unlikely.
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Doesn't seem he tweeked anything.
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Doesn't seem he tweeked anything.
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"And in the Knicks’ 116-109 win over the Nets on Wednesday, Thibodeau spotted the rookie for less than a minute in the second quarter to spell Julius Randle."

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Obi had 2 rebounds in the 1st quarter vs the Cavs. He ended the fist half with 2 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 steal in 8 minutes of action.
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Obi had 2 rebounds in the 1st quarter vs the Cavs. He ended the fist half with 2 pts, 3 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 steal in 8 minutes of action.
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Obi and the Knicks are playing the Celtics on NBA Tv right now. Obi has 2 points thus far.
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Obi on the oop from Quickley:

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Really dislike the way Coach T maroons Obi deep in the corner. Wish they would run more iso plays for him in and around the basket. They’re not utilizing his athleticism. Quickley is looking like the better of the two first-round picks given the Knicks’ offensive schemes, if you can call them that. All that said, the Knicks look like a top-tier team today..
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We complain about college announcers, but these two act like they are announcing a tea party. Talk about boring.

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# 1 dunks: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...94689256407047

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I take credit for this. Maybe Coach T does know what he’s doing by way of Obi.
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So Obi scored 8 Knick points in a row.
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I watched most of the game. Obi started slow and then started to ease into the game. He ended up having a very good game. It's weird watching them to ask him to try and isolate 1 on 1 from the perimeter with the dribble. He still looks very uncomfortable with that.

They need to pick and roll him more often. That is where he is amazing, even by NBA standards. He has great hands receiving any kind of pass as he cuts to the basket.

They are going to find out that he can shoot too. They will be surprised by his court awareness and passing. He is not going to be a big rebounder.
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I think the slow start and being eased into the game may have had more to do with coming back from that calf injury. Local newspapers really did not go into much detail about the injury except to say it was a "calf injury" or a "strained calf muscle" but he was out for a while. Good for him to get some reps and points and get back into the flow of the offense.
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The Knicks with a quick turnaround have a 12 noon MLK Day matinee with the Magic currently airing on NBA TV. He was 0-2 with a rebound and an assist in 7 minutes of burn in the 2nd quarter.
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Obi with a repeat from yesterday alley oop from Quickley:

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Knicks lead 40-31 after one quarter and Obi has yet to enter the game. Steph Curry was content to pass early on and then started drilling threes.

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Obi is not playing out in the corner tonight—he’s setting up on the blocks—he is having difficulty taking it to the rack from there.
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Obi just got his first two points at the beginning of the fourth quarter with an emphatic dunk along the base line!
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Topping playing well! Just got his second slam on the baseline with about 7.5 minutes to play. Knicks lead 104-85 with 5:43 remaining. RJ Barrett has a career high 28 points!

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Knicks defeat the Warriors 119-104. They are on a three game winning streak and have evened their record at .500 for the season.

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The Knicks in a back-to backer visit Sacramento tonight. Tipoff is at 10:00 EST and the NBA League Pass free week is still in effect.
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I bought the NBA League Pass for the New York Knicks games only and it was fairly reasonable at $17.99 per month. It is $28.99 for all the teams but watching Obi play for the Knicks was all that I was interested in seeing!
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Obi entered the game early in quarter two. He missed a triple but rebounded a miss by Quickley for the hoop and the harm. He then scored on a nice feed from Noel and followed up a miss for a slam.
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Obi crashing the basket and cleaning up a lot. This is the obi we’re used to seeing
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Thanks for keeping us aware of the Obi Toppin show. Have never been a follower of the NBA going back for decades although have watch a few championship games IF the match up intrigues me such as the Cav's (Lebron) and the Warriors (Curry) games a few years ago.

Otherwise I'd miss some of Obi's dunks and box scores.
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Obi had 4 points and 3 rebounds last night. Fellow rookie ImmanueL Quickley went off for 31 points in the loss tp the Blazers.
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Obi checks out with 4 to go in the first half. He has 5 points, 2 rebounds and a steal in 8 minutes thus far.

Nice rim run: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...25524797743105

Obi Thrice: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...25894739554306
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I consistently see Obi beating the defense down the floor calling for the rock and the selfish Knicks never oblige.
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For all the feel-goodedness of Obi playing in his hometown, landing with the Knicks was bad news for his career.

Obi does not fit the Thibs mold. Thibs wants staunch defenders, veterans and grinders. He wants his core to play big minutes. His defense-first MO sacrifices offense for defensive productivity. The Knicks offensive rating is sixth worst in the league, and they play at the slowest pace in the league by a good margin.

None of the characteristics Thibs prefers are areas where Obi shines. He'll be best in the NBA with a more wide-open offense and one that plays with better pace. He's a worker, but I don't think he'll really showout playing in a scheme that wants to be Riley's Knicks.

At present, Obi's just Julius Randle's caddy, and with Randle being the centerpiece of the Knicks' roster, it's hard to see how this season gets much better for Obi.
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It's tough on the new guys. Obi will be fine in time. The whole roster is not looking to get Obi looks. It's a long season and very likely injuries/illness will present opportunities. Obi just needs to stay ready to take advantage of them.

He is not going to take this League by storm. Especially on a team that is trying to carve out a niche for itself.
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Obi and the Knicks lost by 14 to the LA Clippers in a 12:00 noon matinee today. I only watched a few minutes, but caught Obi making 2 FTs which were his only points in 13 minutes of action.
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Obi and the Knicks lost by 14 to the LA Clippers in a 12:00 noon matinee today. I only watched a few minutes, but caught Obi making 2 FTs which were his only points in 13 minutes of action.
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I don’t think he’s averaging more than 11 or 12 minutes a game. Hard to have an impact in so few minutes. Short of an injury to Randle, that may be his ceiling this season.
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I think that Obi's early season injury has retarded his development regarding his playing time. While he was injured the Knicks were beginning to establish some sort of identity. Right now he is not in the rotation to speak of. I also think that that his teammates haven't looked for him as a scoring option at this point.
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A thread from the Knicks Fan TV account on Obi expressing frustration on not getting the ball:

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A thread from the Knicks Fan TV account on Obi expressing frustration on not getting the ball:

https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/stat...67635230486534
I've been watching some Knicks games, and I see him expecting his teammates to look for him when he breaks to the basket, but that isn't what happens in the NBA normally. The Dayton Flyers were an amazing assist team when Obi was here. The NBA guys are all looking to shoot and put up gaudy numbers to keep their ten million dollar contracts going.

It's compounded by the fact that Obi was never a guy to go face-up on a drive from the perimeter. You need to be able to do that if you are going to be selfish in the NBA.
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I don't know why a team would draft a guy at #8 and then not utilize his talents.
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I don't know why a team would draft a guy at #8 and then not utilize his talents.
Think of the Knicks as the NBA's version of the Bengals.
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The NY Post does not mention Obi in the article.

"The Knicks may soon have their own Big 3"

https://nypost.com/2021/01/31/the-kn...eir-own-big-3/
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Obi had an assist and 2 FTs in 2 minutes in the 1st quarter vs. the Bulls. Toppin finished off a nice alley oop from Austin Rivers:

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Obi gets 9 minutes in the Knicks 110-102 loss to the Chicago Bulls tonight! Why waste the 8th pick in the first round by not utilizing his talents. As Dayton fans we saw what Obi could do last season. Too bad the Knicks aren't giving him enough minutes for him to get into the flow of the game. How many times last season did he get off to a slow start only to take the game over in the second half!
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If robinson and Knox were gone Obi would get another 8 to 10 minutes of playing time.
This also seems to be settling into Nerlins Noel.

Obi cant create his own shot or have a back to the basket game. So this may not likely be the right fit for him. Get him in the open court or a team not overloaded with bigs might be a different story
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The only thing I can figure is that the Knicks either (a) are going to let Randle walk, at his salary with next year being an option year, or (b) they think they can turn Obi into a 3, with his shooting ability. In either case, his talent is definitely not getting a chance to shine and develop this season.

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If robinson and Knox were gone Obi would get another 8 to 10 minutes of playing time.
This also seems to be settling into Nerlins Noel.

Obi cant create his own shot or have a back to the basket game. So this may not likely be the right fit for him. Get him in the open court or a team not overloaded with bigs might be a different story

Honestly I think this is a portion of the problem. We're all looking at him through dayton colored glasses. They don't pass or run sets for him, but at the same time if you're going to be what he was expected to be, he needs to generate more on his own as that's the way the nba is.
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Here's a link to all the 2021 NBA Rookie stats for comparison's sake:

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I am a New Yorker and always a Knick fan. I watch all there games. So I believe he can be used differently but Thibs is a good coach. There is talk of playing him with Randle, but your right , OBI doesn’t seem to like contact and doesn’t get involved to get rebounds or put backs. he was pulled last nite in his second stint because he didn’t hit the glass. The positives he is high energy and good passer, but he needs to get his lunch pail out.
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Twice during Obi’s 9 minutes on the floor last night the Knicks got mixed up on switches resulting in two Bulls’ dunks. The second time Obi seemed confused and Thibs yanked him shortly thereafter.
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Agreed that he needs to take 3s until he improves. Knicks are short a solid 3 point shooter.

His agent should be advising to shoot some 3s and board more.

I believe starting Obi alongside Randle would be great for the team. And obi.
However I'm not Thibs!

Bring robinson in at 7 minute mark. Robby has been a stellar sub and around the basket cleanup guy to great effect. However he CANNOT SHOOT fts!!
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Mitchell rob is shooting FTs at 45 to 50%!!
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Twice during Obi’s 9 minutes on the floor last night the Knicks got mixed up on switches resulting in two Bulls’ dunks. The second time Obi seemed confused and Thibs yanked him shortly thereafter.
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I've watched a few Knick games, not all, this year. Some of the other inside players look lost on D at times as well.
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I've watched a few Knick games, not all, this year. Some of the other inside players look lost on D at times as well.
Tibbs might be a great defensive coach but from an offense perspective I believe Brian Gregory would outcoach him. He is terrible for Obi’s NBA career and I hope Obi’s traded ASAP
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Obi's first shot attempt was a three: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...42127357140994

He then pump-faked on a three and drained a jumper: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...42455200669697

Later he missed a wide open three. 5 points in 6 minutes on 2-3 shooting.
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Excerpted from NY sports on Obi’s “rough start”:

Then there is the curious case of Toppin, the No. 8 pick in November who came in with a starry résumé from Dayton. The 2020 college player of the year missed three weeks with a calf strain, but returned to the rotation on Jan. 13 as a lightly used backup.

The 22-year-old power forward has made little impact, with Randle occupying most of the minutes. Toppin looks a little lost running around, setting screens, getting open and not getting the ball.

Toppin hasn’t shown enough strength to create his own shot. He’s also shooting just 26 percent from 3-point range — which means his future as a stretch 4 is iffy.

He’s someone you just don’t know yet,” one NBA coach said.

In Chicago on Monday, Toppin came in for Randle to start the fourth quarter. But less than two minutes later, Thibodeau yanked him and sent Randle back in. In his 1:57 stint, Toppin committed two fouls and didn’t take a shot.

Thibodeau said the Bulls were owning the boards, and he wanted Randle back. Toppin played 8:46 in the loss, scoring four points and making his lone shot attempt — an alley-oop dunk.

Thibodeau said Toppin’s team defense is still an issue. Clearly, the lack of summer league affected Toppin more than most rookies; he came from mid-major Dayton, which never got a chance to show its stuff in the NCAA Tournament once it was canceled because of the pandemic.

Perhaps Toppin’s draft stock wouldn’t have been as high if he hadn’t dominated the Big Dance, but we will never know that. He’s averaging 4.6 points in 12 games.

“He’s been playing pretty well,” Thibodeau said after Monday’s game. “We started the fourth and the rebounding was an issue. And so just all-around play. But I like the things that he’s doing, he’s playing with good energy. I’d say that’s the biggest part is him learning the NBA.”

Toppin’s defense was his issue coming out of Dayton. It’s why Cleveland went with Isaac Okoro at No. 5 when mock drafts had Toppin, the 22-year-old late bloomer, pegged to stay in Ohio.

“The defense and being a multiple-effort guy, you have to do more than one thing,” Thibodeau said of Toppin. “He may get the initial part, but there’s a second, third and fourth part that has to be done also. So we’re asking him to do a lot. He’s picking it up. He’s getting better. I like his approach. Just got to keep working.”

As advertised, Thibodeau is playing the guys he thinks will help him win — regardless of lottery résumé or youth or potential.
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Toppin looks a little lost running around, setting screens, getting open and not getting the ball.

That quote says a lot about the NBA. Sounds to me like the other players are lost if he is getting open and NOT getting the ball.
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That quote says a lot about the NBA. Sounds to me like the other players are lost if he is getting open and NOT getting the ball.
It makes for a nice story that Obi is playing for his hometown team. He's also on a team of individuals looking to pad stats in order to play their way out of town...fast. Which is why the Knicks are the dumpster fire they are. Tough situation for Obi, especially coming from a program that demanded the opposite. Keep grinding Obi!
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That quote says a lot about the NBA. Sounds to me like the other players are lost if he is getting open and NOT getting the ball.
The quote is actually nonsensical. If you're setting screens, making cuts, and getting open you are by definition not "lost."

I find the comments about his defense to be downright hilarious. Do these people watch the games? Other than the occasional blocked shot or steal there is very little defense played. Nobody stops ball. The Bulls were absolutely destroyed by Elfrid Payton last night because they never even attempted to stop him from getting into the lane. You can't let NBA players just go wherever they want to because they tend to make wide-open shots.

While I was excited as anyone on draft night when the pick happened deep down I felt what we all probably felt: he is going to one of the worst franchises in all of sports. It doesn't matter how good or tough or "defensive minded" your coach is if your organization is run by completely incompetent boobs. Getting drafted by the Knicks is a "feel good" story because he is from NY, but it was the worst possible thing for his career.
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It makes for a nice story that Obi is playing for his hometown team. He's also on a team of individuals looking to pad stats in order to play their way out of town...fast. Which is why the Knicks are the dumpster fire they are. Tough situation for Obi, especially coming from a program that demanded the opposite. Keep grinding Obi!
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That quote says a lot about the NBA. Sounds to me like the other players are lost if he is getting open and NOT getting the ball.
I don't think his teammates being ballhogs is Obi's biggest problem. He doesn't play in an especially team-friendly system (second last in the league in assists per game), but more than anything he's not a fit for Thibs.

He'll have a very hard time finding a flow to his game with the spotty minutes he gets. He'll also get next to no rope, or room for error, with Thibs. An error on the defensive end or giving up a few offensive boards means Obi's shift is over for the quarter. The offense is slow and isolation heavy as well. That ain't Obi's game.

What Thibs wants from his team and what Obi is are not matches. It's going to continue to be a struggle until Thibs is no longer Obi's coach, or Obi significantly changes his game.
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I don't think his teammates being ballhogs is Obi's biggest problem. He doesn't play in an especially team-friendly system (second last in the league in assists per game), but more than anything he's not a fit for Thibs.

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