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Old 08-31-2020, 12:13 AM
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Long-term roster planning

Obviously no one knows yet which players will beat out others for starting spots in years to come ... or who will transfer in or out ... or how to define guys like Zimi or Blakney as a 3, or a 4 or a 2. But sometimes I have to write this out just to wrap my head around where the program stands.

20-21
G: Chatman … Frazier … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher .… Cohill ….. Brea
W/F: Watson … Blakney
W/F: Johnson … Nwokeji
C: Tshimanga … Sissoko
One scholarship available but unlikely to be used

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G: Weaver … MSmith
G: Cohill ….... Frazier
W/F: Nwokeji … Brea
W/F: Johnson … Blakney
C: Sissoko
Four scholarships available to fill

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G: MSmith … Frazier
G: Weaver … Brea
W/F: Nwokeji
W/F: Blakney
C: Sissoko
Six scholarships available to fill
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This highlights the need for some size up front in the next 2 years, and I’m sure CAG and his staff are working toward that. Not “plow horses”, mind you, but guys with a bit more length. 2-3 more guys with the right skill sets, who are legitimately 6’7” or taller would go a long way toward rounding-out that 2021-22 (and beyond) roster.
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We need bigs. We're in fine shape now but that has to be a top priority going forward especially with Mali bagged.
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Old 08-31-2020, 09:09 PM
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I agree with the big sentiment but Brea, Nwokeji, and Blakney are all 6'6+. Brea will be a long 2-3. Blakney will be a solid 3 but likely be our effort, and rebound guy (I'm hoping for a leaner, slightly more athletic version of Trey).

Nwokeji will likely be a 3-4 but will end up our stretch 4. I really see Grant running out more positionless lineup's moving forward. It would help if Sissoko absolutely cleans up the glass.

I like the Ian kid we're recruiting out of Gwinnett, GA. Played with two top-60 recruits this year at Grayson and stood out with effort, motor, rebounding and hustle. Plus he has some beef at 6'8 and 225.
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We need two 6'9"+, who can play, in the next two years, or we will not be a national contender.
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Not sure how you are counting, but does your 2 include or exclude a healthy Chase for 3 years?
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Can’t speak for jack72, but (a) I think Chase only has 2 more years, not 3; and (b) that’s assuming a player with an extensive concussion history can complete 2 seasons injury-free. I stand by my earlier statement: we need 2-3 more guys who are a legitimate 6’7” or taller, with the skill sets to fit into CAG’s system.

Speaking of “legitimate” height, and with a nod to the UD news of the past week: when my (future) wife and I were students, we took Fr. Burns’s Christian Marriage class. At the beginning of every class, he would have us stand, and lead us in prayer. As luck would have it, Rory Dahlinghaus and Jim Shields were both in our class, and sat closer to the front, so we could see them stand up. Mind you, both of them were listed at 6’8” in the Media Guide, but it was clear that Dahlinghaus had a good 1-1/2”-2” on Shields.

And that’s why I say I want guys who are a “legitimate” 6’7” or taller.
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Can’t speak for jack72, but (a) I think Chase only has 2 more years, not 3; and (b) that’s assuming a player with an extensive concussion history can complete 2 seasons injury-free. I stand by my earlier statement: we need 2-3 more guys who are a legitimate 6’7” or taller, with the skill sets to fit into CAG’s system.

Speaking of “legitimate” height, and with a nod to the UD news of the past week: when my (future) wife and I were students, we took Fr. Burns’s Christian Marriage class. At the beginning of every class, he would have us stand, and lead us in prayer. As luck would have it, Rory Dahlinghaus and Jim Shields were both in our class, and sat closer to the front, so we could see them stand up. Mind you, both of them were listed at 6’8” in the Media Guide, but it was clear that Dahlinghaus had a good 1-1/2”-2” on Shields.

And that’s why I say I want guys who are a “legitimate” 6’7” or taller.
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Not sure how you are counting, but does your 2 include or exclude a healthy Chase for 3 years?
We are not sure what will happen with Chase the next two years. If he plays, he will be darn good, but we need insurance. So to Clarify, we need to bring in a big next year, when we lose Tshimanga, and one the year after when we lose Chase.

If we want to compete at the top of the A10, we need great guards. If we want to compete at the top of the NCAA, we also need great bigs.
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20-21
G: Chatman (SR) … Frazier (FR) … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher (SR) .… Brea (FR) ..... (Cohill)
WF: Watson (SR) … Blakney (FR)
WF: Johnson (JR) … Nwokeji (FR)
C: Tshimanga (SR) … Sissoko (FR)
One scholarship available but unlikely to be used

21-22
G: Weaver (JR) … MSmith (FR)
G: Cohill (JR) ….... Frazier (SO)
WF: Nwokeji (SO) … Washington (FR) ... Brea (SO)
WF: Holmes (FR) … Blakney (SO)
C: Johnson (SR) ... Sissoko (SO)
Two scholarships available to fill

22-23
G: Weaver (SR) … MSmith (SO)
G: Cohill (SR) ….... Frazier (JR)
WF: Nwokeji (JR) ... Brea (JR)
WF: Holmes (SO) … Washington (SO)
C: Sissoko (JR) … Blakney (JR)
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We really need Weaver available this year.
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We really need Weaver available this year.
Is Chatman eligible to come back next season with covid rule? And is there any reason to believe he wouldn't?
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Everybody gets another year. I would be surprised if anyone comes back especially the three guys that transferred. All of those guys can in the very least make money in Europe.
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Everybody gets another year. I would be surprised if anyone comes back especially the three guys that transferred. All of those guys can in the very least make money in Europe.
I was focusing on Chatman because it looks like we're lean on PGs going into 2021-2022 and, though starting, he's going to be playing 2nd fiddle to Crutcher in that role. Thought maybe there's a chance it would be in everyone's best interest for him to come back next year and be the main PG before he sells his services professionally.
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22-23
G: Weaver (SR) … MSmith (SO)
G: Cohill (SR) ….... Frazier (JR)
WF: Nwokeji (JR) ... Brea (JR)
WF: Holmes (SO) … Washington (SO)
C: Sissoko (JR) … Blakney (JR)
Three scholarships available to fill
Blakney is 6'6 195. Even if he gains 20lbs between now and his JR year, I really do not see him being a 5 even on a team that is going more positionless.
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20-21
G: Chatman (SR) … Frazier (FR) … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher (SR) .… Brea (FR) ..... (Cohill)
WF: Watson (SR) … Blakney (FR)
WF: Johnson (JR) … Nwokeji (FR)
C: Tshimanga (SR) … Sissoko (FR)
One scholarship available but unlikely to be used

21-22
G: Weaver (JR) … MSmith (FR)
G: Cohill (JR) ….... Frazier (SO)
WF: Nwokeji (SO) … Washington (FR) ... Brea (SO)
WF: Holmes (FR) … Blakney (SO)
C: Johnson (SR) ... Sissoko (SO)
Two scholarships available to fill

22-23
G: Weaver (SR) … MSmith (SO)
G: Cohill (SR) ….... Frazier (JR)
WF: Nwokeji (JR) ... Brea (JR)
WF: Holmes (SO) … Washington (SO)
C: Sissoko (JR) … Blakney (JR)
Three scholarships available to fill
I don’t know how well Frazier and Brea shoot three’s but I think next year’s team could use another spot up shooter if neither is an outstanding shooter Someone who could hit 42-44% from beyond the arc. That’s a high percentage but CAG’s offense provides open looks to shooters.
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The transition from HS to Frosh is always tough, hopefully Frazier and others will be able to settle in and be that long range threat to keep the defenses honest. Weaver shot 34% from deep at USC with a decent amount of attempts, hopefully he's on the same course that siebert and Watson have taken and is refining his stroke and can be a 40% threat from deep. I think you are right, a couple of deep threats helps keep the spacing for cutters into the lane.


Also interesting to think that UD could routinely send out 5 guys between 6'6" and 6'10" that seem like the should all be able to move, cut, dribble, drive, dish and shoot. That could be really difficult to defend.
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I have no idea how well these new guys in the next two years can shoot the three, so I pass on those comments. Next year we have four guys who can play the point or off guard.

Our need is center. Next year we have two, assuming Johnson can play, and in two years, one. We need a stud 6'9 to 6'11" kid to boost us to the top. I am not betting the farm that Johnson will play, or that Sissoko will be the answer.
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We really need Weaver available this year.
I assume, especially following the Cohill injury, that this is being pursued with a lot of guys being granted waivers this year. But I hadn't seen anything to say that UD is for sure trying to get Weaver cleared to play this year... has there been any confirmation of this?
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I assume, especially following the Cohill injury, that this is being pursued with a lot of guys being granted waivers this year. But I hadn't seen anything to say that UD is for sure trying to get Weaver cleared to play this year... has there been any confirmation of this?

Sorry to be the Debbie Downer with this comment, but I hate to see Weaver waste a year this season, way too much uncertainty in the world and who knows at what point the season may be suspended, one team not allowed to play, number of games canceled, etc....

By the time the season starts in a month, what will the protocol be by the A-10 and NCAA if someone does test positive? Two recent examples, Big 10 football and the Wisconsin QB who tested positive, by rule out for 21 days (why 21- more than CDC or anyone recommends). Locally, one player tests positive on a Friday morning before regional semi finals in high school playoffs, by 4 pm that day Montgomery County Health has told the team to quarantine and canceled that nights game forcing a forfeit.

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Sorry to be the Debbie Downer with this comment, but I hate to see Weaver waist a year this season, way too much uncertainty in the world and who knows at what point the season may be suspended, one team not allowed to play, number of games canceled, etc....

By the time the season starts in a month, what will the protocol be by the A-10 and NCAA if someone does test positive? Two recent examples, Big 10 football and the Wisconsin QB who tested positive, by rule out for 21 days (why 21- more than CDC or anyone recommends). Locally, one player tests positive on a Friday morning before regional semi finals in high school playoffs, by 4 pm that day Montgomery County Health has told the team to quarantine and canceled that nights game forcing a forfeit.
I tend to agree. Weaver sitting this year works for me. We have two point guards plus Watson. If we have to play a freshman at a guard spot because Clutch, Rodney or Ibi can’t go for some reason, I’m ok with that. Our rotation will have plenty of experience to support a couple freshman getting quality minutes. This will be such a crap-shoot year and it has nothing to do with our roster.
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Sorry to be the Debbie Downer with this comment, but I hate to see Weaver waste a year this season, way too much uncertainty in the world and who knows at what point the season may be suspended, one team not allowed to play, number of games canceled, etc....

By the time the season starts in a month, what will the protocol be by the A-10 and NCAA if someone does test positive? Two recent examples, Big 10 football and the Wisconsin QB who tested positive, by rule out for 21 days (why 21- more than CDC or anyone recommends). Locally, one player tests positive on a Friday morning before regional semi finals in high school playoffs, by 4 pm that day Montgomery County Health has told the team to quarantine and canceled that nights game forcing a forfeit.
I agree with Clayton ...

far too much uncertainty this year. We've seen it in NFL and current college FB. The NBA was in a total lockdown bubble, hence it was pretty successful. Can't do a total lockdown with college FB or BB. All you can attempt to control is your own team situation and even at that there maybe a blow up.

Although the recruits for 2021 look extremely capable UD has to get through this season first. A lot of hurtles to get over between now and 2021 season start.
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Understand that if Weaver sits, he will have two years of eligibility left. If Weaver plays, he will have two years of eligibility left if he chooses to utilize it. We are making a mistake if every backup is a freshman. This is all because of the added year given by the NCAA. If UD isn't looking into getting a waiver, they are making a mistake.
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Understand that if Weaver sits, he will have two years of eligibility left. If Weaver plays, he will have two years of eligibility left if he chooses to utilize it. We are making a mistake if every backup is a freshman. This is all because of the added year given by the NCAA. If UD isn't looking into getting a waiver, they are making a mistake.
I think that if Weaver plays this year and his year is shortened or (horror cancelled due to Covid) although he would have 2 years after this year, he may elect not to stay and seek professional employment somewhere. Yes he could still seek the professional route if he skips this year and plays one ... sort of a modified one and done.

I trust that the coach and staff are providing all the guidance he needs right now.

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Understand that if Weaver sits, he will have two years of eligibility left. If Weaver plays, he will have two years of eligibility left if he chooses to utilize it. We are making a mistake if every backup is a freshman. This is all because of the added year given by the NCAA. If UD isn't looking into getting a waiver, they are making a mistake.
I guess I have not seen the exact wording on how all this will all work out this season in regards to eligibility moving forward. At one point I saw the question asked is this only for seniors or is it for everyone? Maybe the NCAA is smarter than I give them credit for and actually anticipating the potential scenario my original post is fearful of. Also, how will this affect roster limits down the road (not that I am concerned for someone like Weaver as I realize he is taking a scholarship regardless plus if he lives up to potential always a place for a baller like him)

The way you worded it yes Weaver should play this season, but if and only if this has no affect on what his future eligibility is. Remember in the eyes of the NCAA we are in Cleveland States class, not Kentucky.
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Understand that if Weaver sits, he will have two years of eligibility left. If Weaver plays, he will have two years of eligibility left if he chooses to utilize it. We are making a mistake if every backup is a freshman. This is all because of the added year given by the NCAA. If UD isn't looking into getting a waiver, they are making a mistake.
I agree with your overall sentiment, i.e. that it doesn't change his amount of eligibility going forward so he might as well seek one, but I think you're underestimating the staff a bit here. They know what the freshman are capable of, much, much more than we know. Hard to call Zimi a freshman, same with Blakney given his age. How many rosters in college basketball have three freshman guards who are all 6'5"+? Maybe zero. Could Zimi play the three sometimes to limit the amount of three guard lineups we run? Same argument for RJ? Is the staff pursuing other guard options for 2020 that we aren't even aware of?

I'm as upset as anyone about Cohill going down, but being super concerned about guard depth at this point seems a little extreme.
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I agree with your overall sentiment, i.e. that it doesn't change his amount of eligibility going forward so he might as well seek one, but I think you're underestimating the staff a bit here. They know what the freshman are capable of, much, much more than we know. Hard to call Zimi a freshman, same with Blakney given his age. How many rosters in college basketball have three freshman guards who are all 6'5"+? Maybe zero. Could Zimi play the three sometimes to limit the amount of three guard lineups we run? Same argument for RJ? Is the staff pursuing other guard options for 2020 that we aren't even aware of?

I'm as upset as anyone about Cohill going down, but being super concerned about guard depth at this point seems a little extreme.
Who is underestimating the staff? It's a simple discussion of timing and the world in 2020. I am also quite confident the staff knows that freshman, even the really good ones, are going to be sporadic and highly inconsistent. It's a simple fact that most are going to be minimally effective at that point in their college careers.

If the staff is targeting perennial success, there's no way they aren't considering the option of getting an experiences Weaver on the floor - especially knowing that this year is moot in terms of scholarship usage.
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Weaver should play

There is zero reason to redshirt a player this year (unless forced by injury). EVERY player on the roster gets a free season this year. I am not sure why the NCAA doesn't just waive the redshirt year for every transfer at this point.

The only item I have not seen an answer on is roster size. Not that every (or even any) senior this year comes back next year, but we would be over the current scholarship limit if that happened.

I am sure UD is looking into any avenue they can at this point as there is no longer any benefit of Weaver sitting out.
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Heights of all but Amzil are from UD roster or UD signing press release. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting. Why? Cause I felt like it. FYI, if you do it the other way, the 21-22 roster would show 9 freshmen, plus 3 juniors (Weaver, Cohill, Chase)

20-21
G: Chatman (6-1 SR) …... Frazier (6-5 FR) … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher (6-1 SR) ...... Brea (6-6 FR) ..... (Cohill)
WF: Watson (6-5 SR) …... Blakney (6-6 FR)
WF: Johnson (6-9 JR) ..... Nwokeji (6-7 FR) ... Amzil (6-10 FR)
C: Tshimanga (6-11 SR) … Sissoko (6-9 FR)
All scholarships accounted for

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G: Weaver (6-6 JR) ...... MSmith (6-0 FR)
G: Cohill (6-2 JR) …...... Frazier (6-5 SO) ... Brea (6-6 SO)
WF: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) … KWash (6-8 FR) ... Blakney (6-6 SO)
WF: Holmes (6-8 FR) …. Amzil (6-10 FR)
C: Johnson (6-9 SR) ..... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
One scholarship available to fill

22-23
G: Weaver (6-6 SR) ..... MSmith (6-0 SO)
G: Cohill (6-2 SR) ........ Frazier (6-5 JR) ... Brea (6-6 JR)
WF: Nwokeji (6-7 JR) ... KWash (6-8 SO) ... Blakney (6-6 JR)
WF: Holmes (6-8 SO) … Amzil (6-10 SO)
C: Sissoko (6-9 JR)
Two scholarships available to fill

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The only item I have not seen an answer on is roster size. Not that every (or even any) senior this year comes back next year, but we would be over the current scholarship limit if that happened.

I was going to ask this question. Has anyone seen how the NCAA plans to handle roster limits next year?
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Heights of all but Amzil are from UD roster or UD signing press release. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting. Why? Cause I felt like it. FYI, if you do it the other way, the 21-22 roster would show 9 freshmen, plus 3 juniors (Weaver, Cohill, Chase)

20-21
G: Chatman (6-1 SR) …... Frazier (6-5 FR) … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher (6-1 SR) ...... Brea (6-6 FR) ..... (Cohill)
WF: Watson (6-5 SR) …... Blakney (6-6 FR)
WF: Johnson (6-9 JR) ..... Nwokeji (6-7 FR) ... Amzil (6-10 FR)
C: Tshimanga (6-11 SR) … Sissoko (6-9 FR)
All scholarships accounted for

21-22
G: Weaver (6-6 JR) ...... MSmith (6-0 FR)
G: Cohill (6-2 JR) …...... Frazier (6-5 SO) ... Brea (6-6 SO)
WF: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) … KWash (6-8 FR) ... Blakney (6-6 SO)
WF: Holmes (6-8 FR) …. Amzil (6-10 FR)
C: Johnson (6-9 SR) ..... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
One scholarship available to fill

22-23
G: Weaver (6-6 SR) ..... MSmith (6-0 SO)
G: Cohill (6-2 SR) ........ Frazier (6-5 JR) ... Brea (6-6 JR)
WF: Nwokeji (6-7 JR) ... KWash (6-8 SO) ... Blakney (6-6 JR)
WF: Holmes (6-8 SO) … Amzil (6-10 SO)
C: Sissoko (6-9 JR)
Two scholarships available to fill
Isn't it true that for players competing in the 20/21 season, the NCAA is enabling players an extra year of eligibility? So, could Crutcher, Watson, Tshimanga, and Chatman be able to play next year?
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I was going to ask this question. Has anyone seen how the NCAA plans to handle roster limits next year?
Still up in the air
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Isn't it true that for players competing in the 20/21 season, the NCAA is enabling players an extra year of eligibility? So, could Crutcher, Watson, Tshimanga, and Chatman be able to play next year?
In theory they could all come back. Would any of them want to spend a 6th year in college is an open question
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In theory they could all come back. Would any of them want to spend a 6th year in college is an open question
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I was going to ask this question. Has anyone seen how the NCAA plans to handle roster limits next year?
I think in Neil's interview with Chris he said rosters can be expanded by the number of players who decide to take the extra year. So it seems there is no set number and is dependent on each school and how many of their athletes take the extra year.
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Obviously no one knows yet which players will beat out others for starting spots in years to come ... or who will transfer in or out ... or how to define guys like Zimi or Blakney as a 3, or a 4 or a 2. But sometimes I have to write this out just to wrap my head around where the program stands.

20-21
G: Chatman … Frazier … (Weaver)
G: Crutcher .… Cohill ….. Brea
W/F: Watson … Blakney
W/F: Johnson … Nwokeji
C: Tshimanga … Sissoko
One scholarship available but unlikely to be used

21-22
G: Weaver … MSmith
G: Cohill ….... Frazier
W/F: Nwokeji … Brea
W/F: Johnson … Blakney
C: Sissoko
Four scholarships available to fill

22-23
G: MSmith … Frazier
G: Weaver … Brea
W/F: Nwokeji
W/F: Blakney
C: Sissoko
Six scholarships available to fill
I'd like to be wrong, but I just don't see Jordy T as a starter.

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Is anyone hearing anything on how the new guys are performing in practice?

There are five guys, potentially six if you include Weaver, that all of us really don’t know too much about. I would add Chase Johnson into that group as well given he is coming off the injury/illness from last season.

Who is standing out among the five?
Is Sissoko pushing Jordy for the starting 5 spot?
Is Njoweki capable of starting?
if Weaver doesn’t play, is Frazier capable for spot PG duty?
Of the three true freshman, which one is the best shooter?
How does Chase look?

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Probably harder to get info from practice this year. Less access to practices due to covid, so unless you have the ear of a coach and they are willing to talk you won't hear much is my guess.
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Who would you start in his place?
Perhaps a smaller lineup of Crutcher, Chatman, Watson, Zimi, and Chase?
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without the name of Watson in it,
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Looking ahead, currently listed with no seniors staying, and no idea how players will grow / regress / transfer / etc. the next 8 months. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting, just cuz. Some players' "positions" may not make total sense, as we don't know how the new recruits fit, or how much CAG is likely to play 5-out vs. with a traditional "big." ...... Either Weaver needs to take a big step, or Mali/Greer/Frazier needs to surprise, or Amzil needs to play point-forward.

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G: Cohill (6-2 RJr) …...... Brea (6-6 SO) ....... Greer (6-3 FR)
F: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) …... KWash (6-8 FR)
F: Holmes (6-8 FR) ….... Blakney (6-6 SO)
F: Amzil (6-10 SO) ....... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
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22-23 would be exactly the same right now, as everyone on the 21-22 roster would have eligibility left. Realistically, there's a good chance transfer(s) change that, but who knows.
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I think you mean John "Bluto" Blutarksy, without a doubt, the greatest Senator who has ever served this country!

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Looking ahead, currently listed with no seniors staying, and no idea how players will grow / regress / transfer / etc. the next 8 months. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting, just cuz. Some players' "positions" may not make total sense, as we don't know how the new recruits fit, or how much CAG is likely to play 5-out vs. with a traditional "big." ...... Either Weaver needs to take a big step, or Mali/Greer/Frazier needs to surprise, or Amzil needs to play point-forward.

21-22
G: Weaver (6-6 JR/SR) .. MSmith (6-0 FR) ... Frazier (6-5 RFr)
G: Cohill (6-2 RJr) …...... Brea (6-6 SO) ....... Greer (6-3 FR)
F: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) …... KWash (6-8 FR)
F: Holmes (6-8 FR) ….... Blakney (6-6 SO)
F: Amzil (6-10 SO) ....... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
One scholarship available to fill

22-23 would be exactly the same right now, as everyone on the 21-22 roster would have eligibility left. Realistically, there's a good chance transfer(s) change that, but who knows.
I see the bold players getting the majority of the rotation and underlined getting in games as needed. Frazier I have no idea where he fits in
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I see the bold players getting the majority of the rotation and underlined getting in games as needed. Frazier I have no idea where he fits in
Not that this is a science because of so many unknowns, but Nwokeji showed me something this year. I think he gets a lot of minutes next year. That forward position should be very competitive though.

I know that really good ones are hard to come by, but I long for a true-center sized guy, Big Steve style. Maybe that does not fit the mold of the team that Grant is going for, but I think it gives a team a lot more versatility in match-ups. Jordy bloomed very late, but had an amazing end to the season. It was an example what kind of value that you can get with that kind of size, when you need it against physical teams.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Blakney earns a starting nod, or 6th man.
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Not that this is a science because of so many unknowns, but Nwokeji showed me something this year. I think he gets a lot of minutes next year. That forward position should be very competitive though.
He is hard to judge. He was with the program last year so I expected him to have a better understanding of the system early. Then he barely got off the bench and disappeared in most games. Maybe a full off-season will help things “click” with him...at least I hope so
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Looking ahead, currently listed with no seniors staying, and no idea how players will grow / regress / transfer / etc. the next 8 months. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting, just cuz. Some players' "positions" may not make total sense, as we don't know how the new recruits fit, or how much CAG is likely to play 5-out vs. with a traditional "big." ...... Either Weaver needs to take a big step, or Mali/Greer/Frazier needs to surprise, or Amzil needs to play point-forward.

21-22
G: Weaver (6-6 JR/SR) .. MSmith (6-0 FR) ... Frazier (6-5 RFr)
G: Cohill (6-2 RJr) …...... Brea (6-6 SO) ....... Greer (6-3 FR)
F: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) …... KWash (6-8 FR)
F: Holmes (6-8 FR) ….... Blakney (6-6 SO)
F: Amzil (6-10 SO) ....... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
One scholarship available to fill

22-23 would be exactly the same right now, as everyone on the 21-22 roster would have eligibility left. Realistically, there's a good chance transfer(s) change that, but who knows.
Why do you have Frazier listed as RFr? Even though he only played a couple minutes this season, he's no more RFr than Nwokeji, Blakney, Brea or Amzil.

Anyway, there are so many possibilities, even though slim, we might find Sissoko starting if that's what works out best. The only thing I know for sure, is we're going to have nobody averaging 38 minutes a game. So many players with so few minutes to spread around. It's going to take an incredible amount of the whole team buying into the team aspect of this even if that means that sometimes you get only a few minutes on the court and others you get 25.

I can also see this team leading the country in fouls. We have so much depth, there's no reason to let the notorious A10 bulls who can bully you on the inside but shoot 40 percent from the free throw line to not pay for it when they get an opening. If there was ever a team built for hack a shack, this looks like the one.

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Looking ahead, currently listed with no seniors staying, and no idea how players will grow / regress / transfer / etc. the next 8 months. Players' year in school is listed in the traditional way, rather than with 20-21 not counting, just cuz. Some players' "positions" may not make total sense, as we don't know how the new recruits fit, or how much CAG is likely to play 5-out vs. with a traditional "big." ...... Either Weaver needs to take a big step, or Mali/Greer/Frazier needs to surprise, or Amzil needs to play point-forward.

21-22
G: Weaver (6-6 JR/SR) .. MSmith (6-0 FR) ... Frazier (6-5 RFr)
G: Cohill (6-2 RJr) …...... Brea (6-6 SO) ....... Greer (6-3 FR)
F: Nwokeji (6-7 SO) …... KWash (6-8 FR)
F: Holmes (6-8 FR) ….... Blakney (6-6 SO)
F: Amzil (6-10 SO) ....... Sissoko (6-9 SO)
One scholarship available to fill

22-23 would be exactly the same right now, as everyone on the 21-22 roster would have eligibility left. Realistically, there's a good chance transfer(s) change that, but who knows.
I think Washington is going to prove to be head and shoulders about Nwokeji from the get go. Nothing against Nwokeji, he's going to be a very good player, but I think Washington's on another level.
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I think Washington is going to prove to be head and shoulders about Nwokeji from the get go. Nothing against Nwokeji, he's going to be a very good player, but I think Washington's on another level.
Think of Washington as an athletic 3 who can handle the ball and guard the 1-4 positions. Yes, he and Holmes are the type of players we’ve not seen as incoming freshmen.
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I think Washington is going to prove to be head and shoulders about Nwokeji from the get go. Nothing against Nwokeji, he's going to be a very good player, but I think Washington's on another level.
Who's your starting five next year?
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2021-22 AND 2022-23
G: Weaver (6-6) ..... MSmith (6-0) ..... Greer (6-3)
G: Cohill (6-2) …...... Brea (6-6)
F: Nwokeji (6-7) …... KWash (6-7)
F: Camara (6-8) ...... Blakney (6-6)
F: Amzil (6-10) ....... Holmes (6-8) …... Sissoko (6-9)

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Weaver and Cohill have two years of eligibility. Camara has three. All others have four.

Yes, given positional flexibility, you could assemble this a lot of different ways ... and everybody has their opinion of whether new recruit A is better than returning player B ... just trying to update the roster sheet.
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Appreciate your efforts. Long term planning will be much more taxing for all coaches moving forward. I'm sure AG factors a estimate for transfers when planning. Whereas I would love for all the players to exceed their projected ceiling and stay, I am a realist. My own over/under for number of transfers out is 2.5.
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Appreciate your efforts. Long term planning will be much more taxing for all coaches moving forward. I'm sure AG factors a estimate for transfers when planning. Whereas I would love for all the players to exceed their projected ceiling and stay, I am a realist. My own over/under for number of transfers out is 2.5.
Unfortunately I agree with you. The CBB landscape will now mirror AAU Teams.
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Appreciate your efforts. Long term planning will be much more taxing for all coaches moving forward. I'm sure AG factors a estimate for transfers when planning. Whereas I would love for all the players to exceed their projected ceiling and stay, I am a realist. My own over/under for number of transfers out is 2.5.
Is it a given now that transfers will no longer have to sit out a season? I believe that's the case this coming season, but what about after? If so, yes, there will be constant moving parts that will be hard to manage. But I think the amount of transfers this offseason is a combination of players getting a free year and the fact that players that are questioning their original decisions of commitment realizing that this is the only sure chance to make a change without having to sit out.

In the past, a freshman who wasn't happy with their minutes might think, well, I could transfer now and sit out my sophomore season or give it one more chance and if not happy, sit out my junior season. Right now it might be more like "This could be my only chance to transfer without sitting out, I bettter cut bait and try something else."
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In my opinion, the more transfers the better.

UD has been getting top flight talent from the transfer portal, and our losses to the same have been very limited. The elite schools have 4 star players up and down the roster, but their games are 40 minutes long, just like everyone else’s. The limited minutes force very talented players to the bench, and they decide to leave. Schools like UD with all the trappings of a major program AND playing time stand to benefit, like we have been.

The concerning development is treating players like semi-professionals and paying them for their likeness and services. This is a good development for the players, but it does favor program with large followings and deep pockets. We’ll see how that one plays out.
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If I were to guess a starting line up right now, I would go with Weaver, Cohill, Camara, Holmes, and Amzil. But like CJ4 said, there are a whole lot of interchangeable parts. So many unknowns though. Who knows if Smith, Greer, Washington are good enough to supplant an older guy? Who knows what jump Nwokeji, Blakeney, Amzil, Sissoko and Brea make after one year? Is Holmes THAT good that he is plug and play as a Fr? How will Cohill respond after his injury? Will Weaver be the player he was the Memphis game?

I think the only given is Camara. He is the only one who has consistently produced at a high level at a Division 1 program...although Amzil averaging 10 ppg and 5.5 rpg is pretty impressive for a first year player.
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In my opinion, the more transfers the better.

UD has been getting top flight talent from the transfer portal, and our losses to the same have been very limited. The elite schools have 4 star players up and down the roster, but their games are 40 minutes long, just like everyone else’s. The limited minutes force very talented players to the bench, and they decide to leave. Schools like UD with all the trappings of a major program AND playing time stand to benefit, like we have been.

The concerning development is treating players like semi-professionals and paying them for their likeness and services. This is a good development for the players, but it does favor program with large followings and deep pockets. We’ll see how that one plays out.
It might seem that way now, but I have a bad feeling that it will only favor the top schools in the big conferences. I could see a situation where a Holmes might show great potential in his freshman season and then have a bigger conference school come calling.
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It might seem that way now, but I have a bad feeling trhat it will only favor the top schools in the big conferences. I could see a situation where a Holmes might show great potential in his freshman season and then have a bigger conference school come calling.
I understand the concern, but Homes had plenty of “bigger conference” schools calling during his recruitment. He’s here because he wants to be here, and he obviously believes in whatever developmental plans Grant laid out for him.

The overriding reason for transfers remains unhappiness, whether with playing time or success on the court. The so-called bigger stage factor plays out more frequently with grad transfers. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule.
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I understand the concern, but Homes had plenty of “bigger conference” schools calling during his recruitment. He’s here because he wants to be here, and he obviously believes in whatever developmental plans Grant laid out for him.

The overriding reason for transfers remains unhappiness, whether with playing time or success on the court. The so-called bigger stage factor plays out more frequently with grad transfers. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule.
Well, it could be that Holmes wants surer playing time and realized that's more guaranteed at UD his freshman season. Then when the whole world can evaluate where he stands afterward, he moves up.

Maybe not yet, but it's coming where players don't wait in line to get playing time, they sign where they can play and as they improve and show their skills, move up to bigger programs.
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There are also plenty of examples where that is no guarantee of success. See Jacob Toppin.
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There are also plenty of examples where that is no guarantee of success. See Jacob Toppin.
I'd give it at least another year before declaring Jacob's success or not at Kentucky. He was unhappy at RI and put his name in the portal. Kentucky came calling and most players wouldn't say no. He wasn't even expecting to be able to play this year. At least one early mock draft has him listed for 2022.

Anyhow, I hope the sit one rule returns after this season.

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Anyhow, I hope the sit one rule returns after this season.
I believe the sit one rule favors schools and not athletes. I would like to see it go away permanently.
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This highlights the need for some size up front in the next 2 years, and I’m sure CAG and his staff are working toward that. Not “plow horses”, mind you, but guys with a bit more length. 2-3 more guys with the right skill sets, who are legitimately 6’7” or taller would go a long way toward rounding-out that 2021-22 (and beyond) roster.
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I'd give it at least another year before declaring Jacob's success or not at Kentucky. He was unhappy at RI and put his name in the portal. Kentucky came calling and most players wouldn't say no. He wasn't even expecting to be able to play this year. At least one early mock draft has him listed for 2022.

Anyhow, I hope the sit one rule returns after this season.
Absolutely agree it could yet/possibly/hopefully/perhaps pan out, but this season was a monumental dud — both for player and team.
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I'd give it at least another year before declaring Jacob's success or not at Kentucky. He was unhappy at RI and put his name in the portal. Kentucky came calling and most players wouldn't say no. He wasn't even expecting to be able to play this year. At least one early mock draft has him listed for 2022.

Nothing against Jacob, but he has done nothing to this point that would justify his name being in any mock draft. I doubt he would be listed if his name was Jacob Smith. I also doubt he would be at Kentucky if that was his name.
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I doubt if Ky will win next year with or without Jacob. And because they stunk this season, Cal will be recruiting heavily over everyone. Jacob might not appreciate that, but his options are limited. Doubtful he will pull a Kostas and snag the 60th pick. Which I predicted for Kostas because of his name.
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I doubt if Ky will win next year with or without Jacob. And because they stunk this season, Cal will be recruiting heavily over everyone. Jacob might not appreciate that, but his options are limited. Doubtful he will pull a Kostas and snag the 60th pick. Which I predicted for Kostas because of his name.
No way would Jacob's last name carry any weight compared to Kostas'? Big difference between Obi, who is trying to find himself in the NBA and Giannis who's proven to be one of if not the best player in the NBA. The world knows Giannis, Obi is not nearly the name, YET.
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In my opinion, the more transfers the better.

UD has been getting top flight talent from the transfer portal, and our losses to the same have been very limited. The elite schools have 4 star players up and down the roster, but their games are 40 minutes long, just like everyone else’s. The limited minutes force very talented players to the bench, and they decide to leave. Schools like UD with all the trappings of a major program AND playing time stand to benefit, like we have been.

The concerning development is treating players like semi-professionals and paying them for their likeness and services. This is a good development for the players, but it does favor program with large followings and deep pockets. We’ll see how that one plays out.
I tend to agree with this. At first, I was petrified of the looming transfer rules on behalf of UD. The "sky is falling" crowd was preaching that that this would ONLY benefit the P5 and increase the disparity between the haves and have nots, pushing UD further into have not submission. And I was tempted to buy in.

But a couple things have been revealed/proven through all this - 1) CAG can attract and CLOSE on top level talent and 2) UD is very much considered a destination program for players looking to play professionally (anywhere).
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I tend to agree with this. At first, I was petrified of the looming transfer rules on behalf of UD. The "sky is falling" crowd was preaching that that this would ONLY benefit the P5 and increase the disparity between the haves and have nots, pushing UD further into have not submission. And I was tempted to buy in.

But a couple things have been revealed/proven through all this - 1) CAG can attract and CLOSE on top level talent and 2) UD is very much considered a destination program for players looking to play professionally (anywhere).
There will also be 2 other things to consider.

1) If the P5 are loading up on transfers instead of the top freshman, those players will start trickling down to programs like UD. The P5 won't have enough roster sports for ALL of the top transfers and ALL of the top freshman.

2) Players like Sibert, Ibi, and Vee who go to the big schools but get stuck behind transfers will also look to transfer, and more than likely transfer to schools like UD.

So either way UD will still end up with good players. The multiple bid mid-majors will continue to compete because they will still get good players one way or another. It's the 1 bid leagues that will be hurt the most by this.
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It's the 1 bid leagues that will be hurt the most by this.
This...if a low major happens to recruit a good player that excels in their first and/or second year, you can bet the big time schools will come a calling for them...and they won't have the same chance to get a stellar transfer who is leaving a bigger school...they will get the John Crosby's and Luke Frazier's of the transfer world.
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There will also be 2 other things to consider.

1) If the P5 are loading up on transfers instead of the top freshman, those players will start trickling down to programs like UD. The P5 won't have enough roster sports for ALL of the top transfers and ALL of the top freshman.

2) Players like Sibert, Ibi, and Vee who go to the big schools but get stuck behind transfers will also look to transfer, and more than likely transfer to schools like UD.

So either way UD will still end up with good players. The multiple bid mid-majors will continue to compete because they will still get good players one way or another. It's the 1 bid leagues that will be hurt the most by this.
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This...if a low major happens to recruit a good player that excels in their first and/or second year, you can bet the big time schools will come a calling for them...and they won't have the same chance to get a stellar transfer who is leaving a bigger school...they will get the John Crosby's and Luke Frazier's of the transfer world.


I think we definitely benefit. The better programs (recent history/coaches/facilities) at every level should. The better P5 schools will have their pick of transfers. The better multi-bid conference programs will become a destination for transfers "down" looking for playing time, a better scheme fit or a more featured role. Better programs in 1 bid leagues will get transfers down for the same reason.

There is a better likelihood for a good recruiter at a 1 bid conference school to get multiple transfers that are strong at that level than to catch lightening in a bottle with a player that should have a been at a blue blood.

The issue will likely become coaches bolting for bigger opportunities because they show themselves exceptional at leveraging transfers into wins. In that respect, it has similarities to the current situation with HS recruiting.
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Long term planning in college basketball in terms of roster isn't really even a thing any more. You plan for the nest season and maybe in the back of your mind, you give some consideration for the year after, but there's just way too many unknowns to even look 3 or 4 years out. Trying to say what a roster will look like in 3 years is akin to trying to predicting the weather three years from now.
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My best guess:

1: Weaver (6-6) -> MSmith (6-0)
2: Cohill (6-2) -> Greer (6-3) -> Brea (6-6)
3: Blakney (6-6) -> KWash (6-7) -> Brea (6-6)
4: Camara (6-8) -> Nwokeji (6-7)
4: Amzil (6-10) -> Holmes (6-8) -> Sissoko (6-9)

Outside of foul trouble, it seems like Brea and Sissoko could be in for minimal minutes, but...

I could see Brea supplanting Greer of Washington at times - depending on how well they shoot the ball from 3,
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I can see Sissoko used when defense is needed at the 5 spot (against a typical big).
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My best guess:

1: Weaver (6-6) -> MSmith (6-0)
2: Cohill (6-2) -> Greer (6-3) -> Brea (6-6)
3: Blakney (6-6) -> KWash (6-7) -> Brea (6-6)
4: Camara (6-8) -> Nwokeji (6-7)
4: Amzil (6-10) -> Holmes (6-8) -> Sissoko (6-9)

Outside of foul trouble, it seems like Brea and Sissoko could be in for minimal minutes, but...

I could see Brea supplanting Greer of Washington at times - depending on how well they shoot the ball from 3,
and
I can see Sissoko used when defense is needed at the 5 spot (against a typical big).
I think this is pretty spot-on, unless we get some more good news RE transfers/recruits. You're right not to sleep on Brea. I don't think RJ, Washington or Greer are "ahead" of him by any means. Certainly not at this point. The staff seemed really comfortable playing Brea toward the end of the season. IIRC, he even started a game or two. He is 6'6", a capable defender and a very capable 3-pt shooter.
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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel View Post
My best guess:

1: Weaver (6-6) -> MSmith (6-0)
2: Cohill (6-2) -> Greer (6-3) -> Brea (6-6)
3: Blakney (6-6) -> KWash (6-7) -> Brea (6-6)
4: Camara (6-8) -> Nwokeji (6-7)
4: Amzil (6-10) -> Holmes (6-8) -> Sissoko (6-9)

Outside of foul trouble, it seems like Brea and Sissoko could be in for minimal minutes, but...

I could see Brea supplanting Greer of Washington at times - depending on how well they shoot the ball from 3,
and
I can see Sissoko used when defense is needed at the 5 spot (against a typical big).
I’d be shocked if Holmes isn’t in the starting line up. I think we’ll go 6’8, 6’8, 6’10 at 3-5.
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My prediction for next year's game one starting lineup barring injuries:

Weaver
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No clue
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My prediction for next year's game one starting lineup barring injuries:

Weaver
Camara
No clue
No clue
No clue.
Camara as our starting shooting guard is a very bold prediction.
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I believe the sit one rule favors schools and not athletes. I would like to see it go away permanently.
I’d like to see the “Sit 1” rule modified slightly, but not completely abolished. The “No Sit” rule can promote instant gratification, and some players simply need more time to develop. Exhibit A: Devin Oliver. If he had transferred after his freshman season, with what little opportunity he had to show off his skills in BG’s last year here, he might have drawn offers from places like UIC, Indiana State, and Central Michigan. As it was, he chose to stay, and developed into a player who has had a relatively successful career playing professionally overseas.

I’m not saying the “Sit 1” rule should apply in all cases. Certainly, if the coach who recruited the player is no longer there, that should be reasonable cause to allow for immediate eligibility upon transferring. Certain family issues should also give cause for immediate eligibility. I’m sure there are plenty of others, too. But to allow transferring with immediate eligibility and absolutely no restrictions at all, as a permanent change, is a bit too far in the opposite direction for my liking.
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Camara as our starting shooting guard is a very bold prediction.
Wow, that was a mistake, I didn't mean to list Camara as a guard. Oh wait, I didn't. Never mind.
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My best guess:

1: Weaver (6-6) -> MSmith (6-0)
2: Cohill (6-2) -> Greer (6-3) -> Brea (6-6)
3: Blakney (6-6) -> KWash (6-7) -> Brea (6-6)
4: Camara (6-8) -> Nwokeji (6-7)
4: Amzil (6-10) -> Holmes (6-8) -> Sissoko (6-9)

Outside of foul trouble, it seems like Brea and Sissoko could be in for minimal minutes, but...

I could see Brea supplanting Greer of Washington at times - depending on how well they shoot the ball from 3,
and
I can see Sissoko used when defense is needed at the 5 spot (against a typical big).
The big take away is that regardless how this shakes out, both the ceiling and floor are higher than in quite some time.
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The big take away is that regardless how this shakes out, both the ceiling and floor are higher than in quite some time.
Well, our ceiling looked pretty high until the 2nd week of March 2020. That ceiling was a National Championship.
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Until / unless there's another transfer or a surprise Ibi/Jalen return, this is what we've got ...

2021-22 AND 2022-23
G: Weaver (6-6) ..... MSmith (6-0) ..... Greer (6-3)
G: Cohill (6-2) …...... Brea (6-6)
F: Nwokeji (6-7) …... KWash (6-7)
F: Amzil (6-10) ....... Blakney (6-6) ..... Amaefule (6-9)
F: Camara (6-8) ...... Holmes (6-8) …... Sissoko (6-9)

All scholarships filled (barring return of a senior).
Weaver and Cohill have two years of eligibility. Camara has three. All others have four.

You could list these players' positions about 100 ways. I structured it this way trying to essentially create a "two-deep" with the 10 players I thought were most likely to get minutes next season. With the caveat that I have no idea which of Greer and Smith will come in more ready -- just that one of them may get some playing time and one may be pretty anchored to the bench.
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do we think this give us a pressing
defense? hard pressing defense...

I can see Holmes, by the time conference
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wave after wave of fresh bodies?
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The big take away is that regardless how this shakes out, both the ceiling and floor are higher than in quite some time.
I mean, I guess the ceiling could still get higher than 15 months ago.. We could be the OVERALL #1 seed.
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Everything Begins With Answering One Question

Who will finish ahead of the Flyers in the A-10 Conference? The experts say St Bonaventure and VCU will. If the Flyers are 3rd in the A-10 Conference they will be fighting hard for an at-large birth in the NCAA. Most Flyer fans focus on how great UD will be and ignore the competition. But the opponent's coaches get paid too. Because we tend to ignore the opponents we always over-estimate the success Dayton will have. Should the Flyers be third place they will qualify for a bye in the Conference tourney which is a major accomplishment.
This year's team was a 7th place team. They must improve their defense, rebounding and offensive tempo considerably to improve as a team.
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Who will finish ahead of the Flyers in the A-10 Conference? The experts say St Bonaventure and VCU will. If the Flyers are 3rd in the A-10 Conference they will be fighting hard for an at-large birth in the NCAA. Most Flyer fans focus on how great UD will be and ignore the competition. But the opponent's coaches get paid too. Because we tend to ignore the opponents we always over-estimate the success Dayton will have. Should the Flyers be third place they will qualify for a bye in the Conference tourney which is a major accomplishment.
This year's team was a 7th place team. They must improve their defense, rebounding and offensive tempo considerably to improve as a team.
2 years ago, the vast majority of us
UNDER estimated the success Dayton
will have...

<<They must improve their defense, rebounding and offensive tempo considerably to improve as a team.>>

They just did, quite possibly
should be fun to see
how CAG fits the talent
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How Could They?

They start practice this summer.
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oh I don't know, but how about:

they improved on all of that, with
the talent level coming in...

lets see how CAG molds them
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Who will finish ahead of the Flyers in the A-10 Conference? The experts say St Bonaventure and VCU will. If the Flyers are 3rd in the A-10 Conference they will be fighting hard for an at-large birth in the NCAA. Most Flyer fans focus on how great UD will be and ignore the competition. But the opponent's coaches get paid too. Because we tend to ignore the opponents we always over-estimate the success Dayton will have. Should the Flyers be third place they will qualify for a bye in the Conference tourney which is a major accomplishment.
This year's team was a 7th place team. They must improve their defense, rebounding and offensive tempo considerably to improve as a team.
Ah yes, the vaunted preseason first place kiss of death. The past three preseason favs haven’t finished higher than 4th.
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Ah yes, the vaunted preseason first place kiss of death. The past three preseason favs haven’t finished higher than 4th.
Meh. What was our predicted finish in 2019-2020?
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Meh. What was our predicted finish in 2019-2020?
I believe we were preseason predicted 4th and VCU was predicted 1st. VCU finished 7th and of course we ran away with 1st. Preseason predictions aren’t worth much.
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Until / unless there's another transfer or a surprise Ibi/Jalen return, this is what we've got ...

2021-22 AND 2022-23
G: Weaver (6-6) ..... MSmith (6-0) ..... Greer (6-3)
G: Cohill (6-2) …...... Brea (6-6)
F: Nwokeji (6-7) …... KWash (6-7)
F: Amzil (6-10) ....... Blakney (6-6) ..... Amaefule (6-9)
F: Camara (6-8) ...... Holmes (6-8) …... Sissoko (6-9)

All scholarships filled (barring return of a senior).
Weaver and Cohill have two years of eligibility. Camara has three. All others have four.

You could list these players' positions about 100 ways. I structured it this way trying to essentially create a "two-deep" with the 10 players I thought were most likely to get minutes next season. With the caveat that I have no idea which of Greer and Smith will come in more ready -- just that one of them may get some playing time and one may be pretty anchored to the bench.
Amzil and Camara are going to be hard to keep off the floor next year. Both are all-A10 potential guys, IMO. Nwokeji came on at the end of the year, and Holmes is a very impressive player. We have an embarrassment of riches at forward now. I guess the group has the versatility to play the 3-5 positions, so maybe "forward" is too limiting.
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One thing I've learned over the years is never believe the listed heights of the players. If Cohill is 6'2", I'm the Jolly Green Giant King.

I'm not a big believer in height anyway...most the kids we've signed the last 20 years are athletic enough to make up of the inch or two they lacked that kept the BIG schools away from them. Give me an athlete with competitive fire, and I'll take my chances against anyone.

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Originally Posted by TA111 View Post
Ah yes, the vaunted preseason first place kiss of death. The past three preseason favs haven’t finished higher than 4th.
I would think St. Bonaventure has to be considered the leading team going into the season. All five starters return as seniors.
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I've seen ST. Bonaventure listed in some way to early Top 25 lists.
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