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Old 04-13-2021, 08:32 AM
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When is the last time that two former Flyers faced each other in an NBA game?
Wasn't it BRob vs. CJ?
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Knicks and UD fans have been begging Thibs to change his rotations and tonight he did. Obi was one of the first guys off the bench, replacing Julius Randle in the 1Q. Unfortunately it was only for 3 minutes. Same deal in the 3Q for another 3 minutes.

The Knicks Wall explains:

Any change in the rotation is noteworthy when we're talking about Thibs

These early Toppin subs seem to be for the purpose of juicing the second unit by bringing back Randle with the second unit


One of the replies to this tweet gets to the heart of the matter:

He’s been trying to match Zion and Randle's minutes so Obi doesn’t get stuck on Zion

The result: 6 minutes, 0-1, 1 board, +4.

Norvel Pelle, who is on a 10 day contrcat has played 13 minutes.

Frustrating.
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Obi entered the game vs the Mavs with 4:40 to go in the first. He played 2:20, grabbed 2 boards and was replaced by the red-hot Julius Randle.
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The message is pretty clear at this point. Coach wants Obi to play hard defense without fouling, grab rebounds to start the break, keep the ball moving on offense.

This is the formula for getting on the court. Teams are in the countdown toward the playoffs and Thibs is honing his approach.
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Obi got 5 1st half minutes and hit a post-up turnaround J. He also grabbed a board and got a block on D that the official scorer didn't give him credit for. And Obi's 2nd half run is allotted to Kevin Knox instead.

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Obi got 5 1st half minutes and hit a post-up turnaround J. He also grabbed a board and got a block on D that the official scorer didn't give him credit for. And Obi's 2nd half run is allotted to Kevin Knox instead.
Importantly, Obi's game is clearly slowing down.

His defense is improving. For the most part, he does not overplay the ball. He appears to anticipate the rebound well.

For the first time in weeks, I am optimistic that he will now make significant improvements as this season continues.
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The Knicks have won 7 in a row. I seriously doubt any coach is gonna mess with success.
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The Knicks have won 7 in a row. I seriously doubt any coach is gonna mess with success.
That means Obi's playing time will probably be cut in half! From 10 minutes a game combined for the second and fourth quarters to 5 minutes total in the second quarter with Kevin Knox getting the additional 5 minutes in the fourth quarter. It seems like Tibs thinks that Randle can get by with a few minutes less rest before he returns to the lineup!

I've noticed a trend and you are right, he doesn't want to mess with success!
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The Knicks (5th in the East) are a 1/2 game behind and host Atlanta (4th) tonite...winner takes over 4th with 12 games remaining...4th place hosts 1st round match-ups in the playoffs...something no Knicks fan could have expected 3 months ago.

Watch Obi's playing time tonite...it'll be a great indictor of how Coach T believes Obi fits in to his strategies.
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The only danger coach is riding the Randle horse into the ground.

if Randle gets hurt or wears down from all the minutes, the Knicks might be hurting.

Until then, keep riding your success.

Also, I would not be at all surprised to see a dramatic jump in minutes played by Obi next year.
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A week and a half from today we’ll see what the Knicks are all about as they will go from playing one of the weakest schedules to murders row. They are scheduled to play most of the top Western Conference teams all on the road during a six game road trip. Obi will get more minutes as the Knicks will begin to slide back to reality and Randle will need more rest. For resting purposes I would not be surprise Randle does not play in at least one of the road games.
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Obi got an extended 6:25 run in the 2Q with DRose @ PG. Rose scored in a variety of ways and also fed #1 on this fast break:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...33982564306946

Obi re-enterd the game with :45 left in the 3Q, so he is getting his 4Q minutes back. Both Nerlens Noel and Taj Gibson left the game after getting smacked in the face. Trae Young also left the game for ATL.

Obi finishes with 2 points, 6 boards, 1 dime and +10 in a very positive 12 minutes of action in the Knicks 8th straight win. Most importantly he played great D like this:

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Obi and the NYK are on ESPN this afternoon at 1:00pm EDT vs the Raptors.
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I DVRed the first half but in the 4Q Obi has drained two consecutive threes to open up the Knick lead to a 14 point bulge. He is 3-3 from the land of plenty:

Triple #1: https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...33046130987015

Trey #2: https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...33623153922052

Three from the 1st half: https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...13776311369737

He just missed a heat-check three. Let's see how quick Thibs gets out the hook.

Answer: Obi sits coming out of the TO.

From the first half, some D from #1: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...15569284063240

Watch the love after Obi made his 2nd 4Q three: https://twitter.com/CoachAFarrell/st...37639518855169

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The Knicks win their 9th game in a row!

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Obi performed well during his allotted minutes. The Knickerbockers’ players are having fun and appear to like one another as reportedly they want to be know as “The Big 15”. It was nice hearing the commentators say that on road trips Randle has everyone hangout in his room playing cards and stuff so the team can bond.
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The New York Daily News on Obi's big game:

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Obi had a good 1st half: 2-4, 4 points, 1 board.

Bucket #1: https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1386836474079940608

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Obi had a steal and then got a jam off a feed from IQ:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...51922611736578

He finishes 3-5, 6 points, 1 dime and 3 boards in 10 minutes.

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Obi was having a rather uneventful 11 minutes of run and then this happened:

https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...78134040563714

And later on this: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...80151551172608
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Obi was having a rather uneventful 11 minutes of run and then this happened:

https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...78134040563714

And later on this: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...80151551172608
Think they have figured out that you can lob anything within 10 feet of the hoop and he will finish?
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Obi was having a rather uneventful 11 minutes of run and then this happened:

https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...78134040563714

And later on this: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...80151551172608
I said before the draft last year that the 2 players I could compare against Obi’s skill sets were from my younger days: James Worthy and Robert Horry. Worthy for how he could fill the lane on the break. Horry for his outside shooting capability. Granted, he’s still a rookie, but I saw flashes of Worthy in those highlights.
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"Obi Toppin’s confidence beginning to rise with Knicks"

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Obi got 6 productive minutes of 1st half burn. He was 3-4 from the FT line, had 2 boards, 1 steal and one dime and was +5.

He got fouled on 2 takes to the rim--here's one of them:

https://twitter.com/TheStrickland/st...18289939038208

Here is his block on Kenyon martin, Jr.:

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With a 30 point lead, Thibs decided to just roll with the second unit most of the 4Q. Kenyon Martin, Jr got some payback on #1 by blocking his shot, but then Obi did this:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...39084023209995

In 17 minutes he finished with 5 points, 3 boards, an assist, a steal and a block.

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Nice profile on Obi's progress from The Knicks Wall:

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Obi missed his first two shots but then cashed in this alley oop:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...96611898429441

He also made a steal that led to a hoop and added 2 boards and a steal in his 7 first half minutes.

Obi got 3 more minutes in the 2nd half and grabbed a board, then Jules came back in.

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The NYK are getting buried in Denver, down 22 after the 1Q, Obi came in early for Randall who has 1 point. It's gonna be a long night, but #1 did do this:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...21537630519299

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"Might be the best sequence of Obi Toppin's Knicks career just now. He gets switched out on Chris Paul but holds his own and blocks his 3. Then he gets behind the defense and finishes the break with a dunk after a great outlet pass by RJ Barrett."

https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov/sta...255533570?s=19

Halftime Obi has played 8 minutes and is 2 of 2 for 5 points with a rebound, 2 steals, and a block

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The message is pretty clear at this point. Coach wants Obi to play hard defense without fouling, grab rebounds to start the break, keep the ball moving on offense.

This is the formula for getting on the court. Teams are in the countdown toward the playoffs and Thibs is honing his approach.

His rebo unds have increased the past 10 games, surely. He's figuring out what Coach Thibs wants from him and simply finding his own place/niche in the team structure.

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Obi and the NYK travel to LA to face the Clips at 3:30pm EDT on Mother’s Day on ESPN.
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#1 drilled a triple in the first half:

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He performed well today with his minutes in the team’s huge victory.
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In the second half, Obi scored on a feed from Barrett:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...05302231699465

And off an oop from Taj Gibson:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...06745437167624

In an important Knicks win.
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What are your thoughts on Obi at this point? Will he stick around long-term (10-12 years)? Will he ever be a starter? A #1 or #2 scoring option? Just a journeyman bench player?

A lot of it depends on his development, obviously. Particularly his strength and 3pt shooting. 28% on threes isn't getting it done, and he could use quite a bit more bulk. But assuming both of those happen... a league-average 35-37% 3pt shooter and enough bulk to hold his own. Where does he end up?
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My thoughts are he gets traded in the off season. He just does not fit what the Knicks are trying to do (at least currently). If team record was poor, Tibs might be gone. And Obi could be a piece for a new coach with a new offense. But the Knicks are actually good now.
It may take awhile to find the right fit. Until the right fit, he is a bench sub. In a more open, free offense, his points will go up. If he can find the right fit, I think he starts and is just a notch below all star. Career length will depend on finding that right fit and then health. At some point, his mobility and athleticism will take a hit... Father Time does not miss.

As much as he seems to want to play for his home town Knicks, he really needs to get away from them...

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I feel like his limiting factors right now are strength and lack of aggressiveness. He is not a "create off the dribble" kind of player, which is what the NBA favors with it's structure. I think his 3pt shooting will be good over his career. The silver lining with the Knicks is that he is getting a good education on defense from Tibs.

His strength will improve, and most importantly, his aggressiveness will come with some seasoning and increasing confidence. I think he will have a long career. I don't see his athleticism fading for a long time.
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Here is a spreadsheet with the Knicks' contract terms:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

The only big men signed for guaranteed money next year are Obi, Julius Randle and Kevin Knox, who is a SF. Robinson has a club option; Novel Pelle's $ are not guaranteed.

I'm not sure they will trade Obi. What Thibs needs to do is find a way to play Randle and Toppin together, rather than separately.

Obi can create off the dribble when he has a mismatch. The Knicks offense needs to look for him when he gets switched off to a smaller guy. That and look for him on alley oop and rim running opportunities. We all know that all you have to do is throw it up there and #1 will get it. His teammates are still figuring that out.

I think he stays with New York and continues to improve.
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What are your thoughts on Obi at this point? Will he stick around long-term (10-12 years)? Will he ever be a starter? A #1 or #2 scoring option? Just a journeyman bench player?
It all depends on the team. I honestly think Obi would be a starter/25+ mpg on 5 or 6 teams right now...Houston, OKC, Minnesota, etc. But is his goal to play alot on crappy teams or play an important role on a contender?

If he wants to play on crappy teams, he'll have a good run simply because he's athletic, entertaining and knows how to have fun. But at some point, even crappy teams have to dump veterans.

So IMRO, his best bet is to bust his ass and accept his role with the NYK until his next contract is up...then he can take the next step to finding a team that wants him as a starter.

It may end up being the Knicks...he's definitely in their future. Whether that's as a starter or key role player is TBD.
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I agree NYK is a terrible fit for him, AND an important thing for him. You can't be aggressive when you're lost in space out there. Once he learns how to play defense for real, his confidence will grow. Will he stick around long enough to get the hang of it or get traded? Had he ended up at some other team he might be averaging 20 minutes a game yet getting worse by building bad habits.
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I'm not ready to write off Obi and the Knicks yet. Obi is effective is minutes lately. Derrick Rose has helped his game. I expect Obi to have more playing time next year and the offense to better take advantage of his skills.

I think Obi does not fit the Knicks very well. The Knicks are 2nd last in the league in assists per game (down from last year). To be fair, the difference between the top team in the league to worst team in the league in assists is 6 per game. The Knicks go one on one a lot and have Obi as the outlet in the corner.

You cannot argue with the Knicks winning right now. One of the hottest teams in the NBA. The formula is working for now. The formula gets them to the playoffs which is much better than history of late.
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The alley oop to Obi out of the time out was a clear sign that he has a role on the team. Obi is figuring out the NBA game, and guys are figuring out Obi.
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The alley oop to Obi out of the time out was a clear sign that he has a role on the team. Obi is figuring out the NBA game, and guys are figuring out Obi.
Even in the NBA, a lob play to Obi is hard to stop when the floor gets spread and his man is tempted to help.
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Tibs

may be in the running for NBA Coach of the Year. Why in the world would he be gone? He is making Freshman Obi Toppin a much better all around basketball play than he was at Dayton. The objective of the NY Knicks is to win games. The Knicks are having their best season in a long time. Obi is contributing off the bench to a very good team and learning to rebound and defend in the process. Go Obi! Go Knicks!
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may be in the running for NBA Coach of the Year. Why in the world would he be gone?
I don't think anyone actually said this. I apologize if I am wrong, I may have missed it since you didn't quote the message you were responding to.
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Obi is shooting nearly 50%. Lots of dunks in there but they all count for 2 just like a 15ft J.
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I'm not ready to write off Obi and the Knicks yet. Obi is effective is minutes lately. Derrick Rose has helped his game. I expect Obi to have more playing time next year and the offense to better take advantage of his skills.

I think Obi does not fit the Knicks very well. The Knicks are 2nd last in the league in assists per game (down from last year). To be fair, the difference between the top team in the league to worst team in the league in assists is 6 per game. The Knicks go one on one a lot and have Obi as the outlet in the corner.

You cannot argue with the Knicks winning right now. One of the hottest teams in the NBA. The formula is working for now. The formula gets them to the playoffs which is much better than history of late.
On another note, there is a ton of speculation on Randle's future as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...on-per-report/

Who knows...do the they use some power with him to grab more talent? Does he gamble for more money or take the easy path?
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As a NYer who listens or watches all Knick games as well as all social media and press. There is NO talk from not only fans but more importantly any feeling from management about trading Obi. Perhaps around 4 or 5 bad games after All Star break people were getting down on him. But hes figuring it out and finding his role.

My 2 cents. He stays in NY another year. Continues to progress on D, scoring and doing the little things. Then, he may likely be on the trading block for a good offer, or if his role is still limited here.
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Even in the NBA, a lob play to Obi is hard to stop when the floor gets spread and his man is tempted to help.
What really stirs the stew is Obi's incredible timing to snag balls at the peak of his jump.

Many others have tried to imitate but were unsuccessful because they don't have the
coordination that Obi has.

When he starts his jump from behind the bankboard you can just see the look on guys
faces. "Who does that?"
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The best thing to happen to the Knicks this year was Randle having a career year. The worst thing to happen to Obi (as far as playing time) was Randle having a career year. Knick coach has shown no desire to play Randle and Obi at the same time.
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Obi's greatest weakness is/was his defense. He may not be a great fit for the Knicks now, but the Knicks are the best fit for him as Coach T will force Obi to play hard defense ever second he's on the court which will, in turn, make him more of a complete player.

Assuming Obi's defense matches his athleticism and abilities, he will be a more complete player each season which will only benefit him when his rookie contract expires.
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Obi's greatest weakness is/was his defense. He may not be a great fit for the Knicks now, but the Knicks are the best fit for him as Coach T will force Obi to play hard defense ever second he's on the court which will, in turn, make him more of a complete player.

Assuming Obi's defense matches his athleticism and abilities, he will be a more complete player each season which will only benefit him when his rookie contract expires.

Remarkably, he's one of the few players at this level with the maturity to accept that.
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Obi and the Knicks face the LeBron-less Lakers on TNT tonight at 10:00pm EDT.
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