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There are many reports of local county Democratic decision makers in big, urban counties closing precincts in order to save money or because there was very little turnout in particular, individual precincts, thus resulting in longer lines at the precincts that they chose to keep open. No Republican forced them to close any of those precincts.
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Which counties did this happen in?
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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
Cobb County GA
After a while with all this voting debate, for me, it eventually just comes down to personal responsibility. If you really want to vote, then you will figure the system out and do what you have to do to make sure that you get your ballot filled out on time whether it be on election day or thru one of the other avenues.

Nobody ever held my hand and made sure that I got a chance to vote, I figured it out on my own, it is not that hard. IMO, there is plenty of time to vote. If you don't want to wait in line on election day, then figure out how to skip the line via one of the other options.
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GA voters had reported 11 hour lines in places to vote. Yeah, I'd be hungry and thirsty after 11 hours waiting in line and I'm relatively young and in good shape.
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There is less early voting and drop box opportunities (it is not to increase security btw) than the last election where there were 11 hour lines and they are specifically allowing counties to eliminate "Souls to the Polls" days.

I'm not sure what else you need to see.
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About 7 seconds worth of Google searches for multiple sources plus video.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...newday-vpx.cnn

https://nowthisnews.com/news/georgia...up-to-11-hours

Here's a report of 5 hour lines: https://www.npr.org/2020/10/12/92309...f-early-voting

https://www.newsweek.com/voters-wait...county-1541132
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It looks like Cobb County Georgia gives you the option of early voting at 11 different sites in the county, and iinm they were open from 6am-9pm M-Sat...there were 21 days of early voting....iinm, at a minimum they were open from 8am-5pm M-F.

With all those options, I have no idea why the lines were so long on election day.

Cobb County had 11 early voting sites for the Nov 2020 election, no reason to wait in line on election day.

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https://www.cobbcounty.org/elections...advance-voting

https://www.wabe.org/cobb-county-add...cess-concerns/:

Each early voting site requires a manager and two assistant managers who, according to Eveler, were working six days a week 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. leading up to the November election. She said many are not willing to do that again.

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And of course Cobb County also offers absentee voting, just like every other county in Georgia, just no reason at all to wait in line on election day.
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From what I have gathered, African Americans generally only like to vote on election day, they do not trust absentee or early voting.

It is hard to find poll workers, it also costs money to pay poll workers.

And many poll workers are already arriving at about 5:30am on election day and not leaving until about 8pm. It is already a very long work day as it is.

Many counties, both urban and rural, both Republican and Democrat, are trying to save money and streamline operations by eliminating many precincts.

African Americans are going to have to start trusting absentee and early voting, otherwise there is not much more I can say.
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It looks like Cobb County Georgia gives you the option of early voting at 11 different sites in the county, and iinm they were open from 6am-9pm M-Sat...there were 21 days of early voting....iinm, at a minimum they were open from 8am-5pm M-F.

With all those options, I have no idea why the lines were so long on election day.

Cobb County had 11 early voting sites for the Nov 2020 election, no reason to wait in line on election day.

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https://www.cobbcounty.org/elections...advance-voting

https://www.wabe.org/cobb-county-add...cess-concerns/:

Each early voting site requires a manager and two assistant managers who, according to Eveler, were working six days a week 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. leading up to the November election. She said many are not willing to do that again.
11 on election day, only 3 when voting early. Again, you're advocating for early voting or vote by mail, 2 of thing things that the law is making harder.
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Old 04-09-2021, 09:17 AM
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African Americans are going to have to start trusting absentee and early voting, otherwise there is not much more I can say.
Um ... what? Republicans have been absolutely and constantly hammering absentee voting being untrustworthy and they are trying to make both of these things harder to do. If you don't get the playbook by now, you never will.

One last time ... all of the laws and policies being put in place by the GOP where they are in control are designed to make voting more difficult, not easier. It's a shell game to push people to have to do it a certain way they restrict down those ways and claim that "you have options".
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Um ... what? Republicans have been absolutely and constantly hammering absentee voting being untrustworthy and they are trying to make both of these things harder to do. If you don't get the playbook by now, you never will.

One last time ... all of the laws and policies being put in place by the GOP where they are in control are designed to make voting more difficult, not easier. It's a shell game to push people to have to do it a certain way they restrict down those ways and claim that "you have options".
No one has an issue with trackable absentee voting. They have a problem with unsolicited mail in voting.
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No one has an issue with trackable absentee voting. They have a problem with unsolicited mail in voting.
There is no form of mail in voting where a ballot is not matched to a registered voter. That's like saying the blank withdrawal slips should be removed from the bank lobby because just anyone could pick one up and fill it out to steal money.
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11 on election day, only 3 when voting early. Again, you're advocating for early voting or vote by mail, 2 of thing things that the law is making harder.
Where do you see the 3? My link above said there were 11 early voting locations in Cobb County alone for the Nov 2020 election.

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11 on election day, only 3 when voting early. Again, you're advocating for early voting or vote by mail, 2 of thing things that the law is making harder.
The GA early voting time was very accommodating IMO. 6am-9pm 6 days a week for 21 days, I bet that may be the most accommodating in the entire country, that is a ton of time.

11 locations in 1 county alone, again, VERY accommodating.

The people in GA were treated very well.

My county in Ohio, which I assume is the same as every other Ohio county, offers 4 weeks of early voting, but it is much less accommodating. I do not seem to hear any complaining. Plus there is only 1 early voting location in the entire county.

Weeks 1-3, m-f, 8-5
Week 4, m-f, 8-7, sat 8-4, sun 1-5, the Monday before the election 8-2.




Yes, the absentee voting has been slightly restricted, I will not deny that. The early voting is still offered for 21 days, possibly 7am-7pm, that is totally reasonable. Plus possibly some weekend days, again, very reasonable.

Keep in mind that it costs money to pay the poll workers to staff all these early voting locations. And keep in mind that GA is struggling to find enough workers to staff these locations. How would you handle things?

What is your ideal early voting schedule? How many days? Which days? Which hours?

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It is getting to the point where election day is going to need to be a national holiday in order to satisfy all the complaints. Even then, some people will still have to work on a holiday.

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Um ... what? Republicans have been absolutely and constantly hammering absentee voting being untrustworthy and they are trying to make both of these things harder to do. If you don't get the playbook by now, you never will.

One last time ... all of the laws and policies being put in place by the GOP where they are in control are designed to make voting more difficult, not easier. It's a shell game to push people to have to do it a certain way they restrict down those ways and claim that "you have options".
Unsolicited absentee voting is what the GOP is complaining about, aka ballot harvesting.

If you were king, what would you do? 7-7 m-f plus some Saturdays and Sundays in GA for 21 days seems reasonable.

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There is no form of mail in voting where a ballot is not matched to a registered voter. That's like saying the blank withdrawal slips should be removed from the bank lobby because just anyone could pick one up and fill it out to steal money.
People move all the time, there are a lot of ballots just being dumped where people no longer live. They are being found in great numbers in apartment complexes, dorms, etc., places where there is communal living.

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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
11 on election day, only 3 when voting early. Again, you're advocating for early voting or vote by mail, 2 of thing things that the law is making harder.
And there are way more than 11 precincts in Cobb County on election day, I only glanced at it, but I am guessing at least 130-150 precincts. Again, many more than 11 precincts.

https://www.cobbcounty.org/elections...nce/voter-maps

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There is no form of mail in voting where a ballot is not matched to a registered voter. That's like saying the blank withdrawal slips should be removed from the bank lobby because just anyone could pick one up and fill it out to steal money.
You need a bank account number and ID. So should we do the same for voting, voting number and ID?

Can you pick up a blank withdrawal slip, fill it out, mail it in and the bank will send you money to the address you request? Why not, they can match it up to your bank account name?
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You need a bank account number and ID. So should we do the same for voting, voting number and ID?

Can you pick up a blank withdrawal slip, fill it out, mail it in and the bank will send you money to the address you request? Why not, they can match it up to your bank account name?
Actually, electronic transfers are quite common and perfectly safe. I have not gone to the bank and showed my ID to get my money in a very long time.
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Actually, electronic transfers are quite common and perfectly safe. I have not gone to the bank and showed my ID to get my money in a very long time.
But you have a bank account number, that only you know, and a password. So do the same for voting, but you would still need a way to prove residency.

Of course you needed some type of proof of identity to open the bank account and a deposit of money.
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But you have a bank account number, that only you know, and a password. So do the same for voting, but you would still need a way to prove residency.

Of course you needed some type of proof of identity to open the bank account and a deposit of money.
Same thing as registering to vote.
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Same thing as registering to vote.
No, I think most banks may require a photo ID along with a Social Security number or passport or some proof of citizenship.

It might be harder to open a bank account than it is to vote.

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No, I think most banks may require a photo ID along with a Social Security number or passport or some proof of citizenship.

It might be harder to open a bank account than it is to vote.
It is not harder to open a bank account than it is to register to vote. They both require the same level of authentication.

Once you have a bank account, you don’t need to show any documents to withdraw your money.

Likewise, once you are registered to vote, you shouldn’t be required to show any documents in order to cast your vote.
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It is not harder to open a bank account than it is to register to vote. They both require the same level of authentication.

Once you have a bank account, you don’t need to show any documents to withdraw your money.

Likewise, once you are registered to vote, you shouldn’t be required to show any documents in order to cast your vote.
I think the voting documentation required may be less than what is required to bank. Pretty sure you only need 1 form of id to register to vote, pretty sure a bank requires two.

And yes you absolutely need id to make a bank withdraw, that is always required, unless you have an atm card which has a PIN number.
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Actually, electronic transfers are quite common and perfectly safe. I have not gone to the bank and showed my ID to get my money in a very long time.
And electronic transfers are also done after submitting to the depositing or withdrawing entity a blank check and authorization to complete the transfer.

Also, at your financial institution...like the majority of them, your ID is scanned into their system and when your account is pulled up, so does your picture when you roll through to get cash or make a deposit.
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It is not harder to open a bank account than it is to register to vote. They both require the same level of authentication.

Once you have a bank account, you don’t need to show any documents to withdraw your money.

Likewise, once you are registered to vote, you shouldn’t be required to show any documents in order to cast your vote.
You are delusional. My credit union has a scanned copy of my DL as well as a photo taken with a webcam at the branch. My picture comes up on the screen when they put in my account number. If I want to take out money, I have to prove who I am at the drive through by making sure they can see my face and also by providing the proper information on the withdraw slip. In the branch, I sign my name and also put my fingerprint on the fingerprint reader that matches my verified information in their system.

When I get cash out at the ATM, I use my card with my secure PIN...and if it was stolen and used...there is that pesky camera as a set of checks and balances to verify identity.

I don't know what world you live in where you can just walk into a bank, tell them you are XYZ, and take out money without identification or verification through their systems.
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I live in NC, and like several states, no ID is required, you just need to give your address. Is not Georgia trying to require an ID, which you Dems oppose?
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Unsolicited absentee voting is what the GOP is complaining about, aka ballot harvesting.
Two completely different things and again, in no voting system will a ballot be accepted if it's not connected to a registered voter.

If you were king, what would you do? 7-7 m-f plus some Saturdays and Sundays in GA for 21 days seems reasonable.
More drop boxes not less, more voting locations, not less, all Saturdays and Sundays, not some, free and easy to obtain voter IDs and mobile ID/registration sites in communities that can't easily get to one, automatic registration when you get a driver's license or any other government ID ... plenty of things to make voting easier, not harder.

You yourself in another post said that voting in 2020 went great in GA so why all of the changes that so coincidentally affect the methods and communities that handed the GOP their defeat?
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And electronic transfers are also done after submitting to the depositing or withdrawing entity a blank check and authorization to complete the transfer.

Also, at your financial institution...like the majority of them, your ID is scanned into their system and when your account is pulled up, so does your picture when you roll through to get cash or make a deposit.
You may still be able to make a deposit without any id, I worked as a bank teller 25 years ago, and iinm, we did not require an ID to make a deposit, id was needed for withdrawals, probably needed an id for transfers too.
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Two completely different things and again, in no voting system will a ballot be accepted if it's not connected to a registered voter.



More drop boxes not less, more voting locations, not less, all Saturdays and Sundays, not some, free and easy to obtain voter IDs and mobile ID/registration sites in communities that can't easily get to one, automatic registration when you get a driver's license or any other government ID ... plenty of things to make voting easier, not harder.

You yourself in another post said that voting in 2020 went great in GA so why all of the changes that so coincidentally affect the methods and communities that handed the GOP their defeat?
The GA drop boxes were added in 2020 due to covid, the drop boxes did not exist before 2020.

I don't like all the complaining people are doing about GA, GA is being much more accommodating even with this new law than many blue and red states are now. I think GA is being pretty reasonable.
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The GA drop boxes were added in 2020 due to covid, the drop boxes did not exist before 2020.

I don't like all the complaining people are doing about GA, GA is being much more accommodating even with this new law than many blue and red states are now. I think GA is being pretty reasonable.
Ok, they were added (I haven't checked to see the exact law before), and they worked, who in their right mind would then pass a law to restrict their use down to irrelevant levels unless they were trying to effect a different result?

GA had a flawless election with no fraud even after several audits and they immediately pass laws that restrict voting access beyond where it was before. The only complaint that people could have about GA is that their candidate lost which is what has spurred these laws.

I noticed my comparison to Colorado was completely ignored ... 16 forms of voter ID in CO vs 6 in GA, GA intentionally targeted the voting population that handed the GOP their defeat, it's obvious. GA is not being "pretty reasonable" in that comparison.
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Two completely different things and again, in no voting system will a ballot be accepted if it's not connected to a registered voter.
There is no connecting some of these unsolicited ballots, they are just asking for a signature, and the signature is not being checked thoroughly. Anybody can just fill out the ballot, sign it, mail it back, and it is accepted.

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More drop boxes not less, more voting locations, not less, all Saturdays and Sundays, not some, free and easy to obtain voter IDs and mobile ID/registration sites in communities that can't easily get to one, automatic registration when you get a driver's license or any other government ID ... plenty of things to make voting easier, not harder.

You yourself in another post said that voting in 2020 went great in GA so why all of the changes that so coincidentally affect the methods and communities that handed the GOP their defeat?
I could agree on more secure drop boxes, but all you have to do is put a stamp on your ballot envelope and put your ballot in your mailbox as outgoing mail, not hard.

Again, more locations and hours means higher costs, and they can't even find enough poll workers to begin with. They already have 11 early voting locations in 1 county, even if they cut that in half, that is still a lot of locations imo. Not buying that they need even more locations, 11 locations is way better than just 1 location in my county.

Mobile registration I agree with, but again, that increases costs, and you need willing workers to do that job. I agree with free photo id's. You can register on the internet iinm already.

Registering when getting a driver's license I agree with, but that may slow down the DMV, and the DMV people are going to have to know the registration laws so that they know what id documents to ask for, thus complicating the job of the DMV worker.
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There is no connecting some of these unsolicited ballots, they are just asking for a signature, and the signature is not being checked thoroughly. Anybody can just fill out the ballot, sign it, mail it back, and it is accepted.
That was never proved, it was an attempt to sew distrust in the process.


I could agree on more secure drop boxes, but all you have to do is put a stamp on your ballot envelope and put your ballot in your mailbox as outgoing mail, not hard.
Drop boxes are easy too.

Again, more locations and hours means higher costs, and they can't even find enough poll workers to begin with. They already have 11 early voting locations in 1 county, even if they cut that in half, that is still a lot of locations imo. Not buying that they need even more locations, 11 locations is way better than just 1 location in my county.
BTW, here you go ... Cobb county had one location opened the first week of early voting, a second location opened the next week and then all of those locations did not open until the final week of the midterms (where the policy usually is only 4 locations open). It wasn't 11 until the last week of this particular election: https://www.11alive.com/article/news...s/85-609069318

But that's a midterm you say? The Jan runoff elections, 5 locations: https://www.cobbcounty.org/elections...off-election-2

They had to add locations because the 5 that they planned to open would limit the ability of people to get to the polls given the limited public transportation options in that area: http://eastcobbnews.com/cobb-electio...enate-runoffs/

Know what would alleviate the need for all those offices and people? Mobile voting locations and more drop boxes and easier access to absentee ballots, not banning mobile voting locations, taking away drop boxes and making it harder to get an absentee ballot.

Mobile registration I agree with, but again, that increases costs, and you need willing workers to do that job. I agree with free photo id's. You can register on the internet iinm already.

Registering when getting a driver's license I agree with, but that may slow down the DMV, and the DMV people are going to have to know the registration laws so that they know what id documents to ask for, thus complicating the job of the DMV worker.
Your statement here is a problem in and of itself ... why would the requirements be that confusing and if a driver's license is already good enough to vote with, what would they have to change? Besides, pretty sure all drivers licenses need to be RealID by this point, why shouldn't the process of getting a RealID be good enough for voter ID?

If it slows down the DMV ... ok? So would you make a proposal to create an entirely different mechanism for validating voter ID or would you just incrementally resource the DMV appropriately to handle the uptick?
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https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/

Many states require no id to vote by mail. I did not count them all, I stopped at states beginning with the letter K, and I already counted 14 states where all that is required is a signature. This is totally ridiculous.
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https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/

Many states require no id to vote by mail. I did not count them all, I stopped at states beginning with the letter K, and I already counted 14 states where all that is required is a signature. This is totally ridiculous.
Now check to see if they need ID to register to vote and how they verify identity ... I don't need an ID to vote by mail in FL, just a signature match but Trump won FL so no one is *****ing about it.
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Now check to see if they need ID to register to vote and how they verify identity ... I don't need an ID to vote by mail in FL, just a signature match but Trump won FL so no one is *****ing about it.
More detailed info, no id required to vote by mail in many states, fraud holes everywhere. Ballots are mailed out to all registered voters, rampant fraud possible.

If the voter has moved and not updated their address, anybody can cast that ballot, apartment complexes with ballots just laying about.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...-absentee.aspx

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More detailed info, no id required to vote by mail in many states, fraud holes everywhere. Ballots are mailed out to all registered voters, rampant fraud possible.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...-absentee.aspx
And after MANY investigations, many billions of votes analyzed, the amount of fraud found amounted to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. It's statistically insignificant even by people looking for something that smells like fraud. It just doesn't happen.

Besides, what would you do if you wanted to game an election, try to forge enough paper ballots, that leave a paper trail, or go for the computer tabulators?
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And after MANY investigations, many billions of votes analyzed, the amount of fraud found amounted to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. It's statistically insignificant even by people looking for something that smells like fraud. It just doesn't happen.

Besides, what would you do if you wanted to game an election, try to forge enough paper ballots, that leave a paper trail, or go for the computer tabulators?
You do not know that. All they have to do is fill out the ballot, sign it, and mail it back.

What about nursing homes? All it takes is one rogue nurse to fill out the ballots for every sort of old and brain-addled patient and sign them all and mail them back. Iinm, that actually happened already in real life.
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You do not know that. All they have to do is fill out the ballot, sign it, and mail it back.

What about nursing homes? All it takes is one rogue nurse to fill out the ballots for every sort of old and brain-addled patient and sign them all and mail them back. Iinm, that actually happened already in real life.
There is still a verification process, the signatures have to match and in your example, ID wouldn't change a thing because those folks would have access to the patients' IDs as well.

There is a potential for people to speed, should we put governors on every car?

There is a potential for people to shoot other people, should we restrict access to guns more than it already is?

By locking down access to the vote, it will affect far more ballots being cast than solving any sort of fraud issue which leaves us in a worse situation than before. What are all the "open everything now" people saying? The cure can't be worse than the sickness?
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There is still a verification process, the signatures have to match and in your example, ID wouldn't change a thing because those folks would have access to the patients' IDs as well.

There is a potential for people to speed, should we put governors on every car?

There is a potential for people to shoot other people, should we restrict access to guns more than it already is?

By locking down access to the vote, it will affect far more ballots being cast than solving any sort of fraud issue which leaves us in a worse situation than before. What are all the "open everything now" people saying? The cure can't be worse than the sickness?
But at least the nurse would have to look up every ss# or dl# before the ballot could be completed, that is a lot more time-consuming than just a simple signature, a signature which at times is not even really checked, more time-consuming means less fraud.

They need to copy Ohio, Ohio requires a ss# or driver's license number or a photocopy of an acceptable photo id when you both request and mail back the ballot.
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But at least the nurse would have to look up every ss# or dl# before the ballot could be completed, that is a lot more time-consuming than just a simple signature, a signature which at times is not even really checked, more time-consuming means less fraud.
Again with the assumption that it isn't checked, that's an invalid assumption.

They need to copy Ohio, Ohio requires a ss# or driver's license number or a photocopy of an acceptable photo id when you both request and mail back the ballot.
Again, this would be completely useless in your nursing home example as anyone trying to mastermind a scheme like this will also have access to their paperwork. Don't forget that either the whole place would have to be in on it or the person would have to be very, very good to completely evade discovery all for what, a minimal number of votes?

Your problem in this situation should not be with the voting system, it should be with the people committing the fraud.
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There is still a verification process, the signatures have to match and in your example, ID wouldn't change a thing because those folks would have access to the patients' IDs as well.

There is a potential for people to speed, should we put governors on every car?

There is a potential for people to shoot other people, should we restrict access to guns more than it already is?

By locking down access to the vote, it will affect far more ballots being cast than solving any sort of fraud issue which leaves us in a worse situation than before. What are all the "open everything now" people saying? The cure can't be worse than the sickness?
But even the tiniest amount of fraud can really screw things up. Just this past election cycle in 2020, 2 US House races iinm were both decided by less than 100 votes. One in Iowa and one in NY.

The Dems have a 5 vote margin in the House iinm, the Senate is essentially tied. Things are very competitive, even a tiny amount of fraud can make a huge difference.
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Again with the assumption that it isn't checked, that's an invalid assumption.



Again, this would be completely useless in your nursing home example as anyone trying to mastermind a scheme like this will also have access to their paperwork. Don't forget that either the whole place would have to be in on it or the person would have to be very, very good to completely evade discovery all for what, a minimal number of votes?

Your problem in this situation should not be with the voting system, it should be with the people committing the fraud.
They didn't even check signatures in GA this past election. Signature verification is a joke. They aren't going to be able to check accurately possibly hundreds of thousands of signatures.
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Again with the assumption that it isn't checked, that's an invalid assumption.



Again, this would be completely useless in your nursing home example as anyone trying to mastermind a scheme like this will also have access to their paperwork. Don't forget that either the whole place would have to be in on it or the person would have to be very, very good to completely evade discovery all for what, a minimal number of votes?

Your problem in this situation should not be with the voting system, it should be with the people committing the fraud.
No, they would not have to access their paperwork. That's the whole point. The ballot gets mailed to the voter automatically, then all you have to do is complete it, sign it, and mail it back. Fraud here is super easy. One nurse could vote hundreds of times very easily. Signature verification is a joke.
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But even the tiniest amount of fraud can really screw things up. Just this past election cycle in 2020, 2 US House races iinm were both decided by less than 100 votes. One in Iowa and one in NY.

The Dems have a 5 vote margin in the House iinm, the Senate is essentially tied. Things are very competitive, even a tiny amount of fraud can make a huge difference.
But again, no amount of fraud that even came to that level has been detected.

Funny you bring up Iowa though because Republicans are the ones that are fighting to NOT count legally cast votes in that one because it would make their candidate lose. That tells you everything you need to know in a nutshell, it has nothing to do with making elections fair, it has to do with holding onto power as they slip more into the minority.
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No, they would not have to access their paperwork. That's the whole point. The ballot gets mailed to the voter automatically, then all you have to do is complete it, sign it, and mail it back. Fraud here is super easy. One nurse could vote hundreds of times very easily. Signature verification is a joke.
Right, because none of that paperwork is kept in their rooms.

It would have to be a very coordinated effort.

Again, your problem should be with the people here, not the system.
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But again, no amount of fraud that even came to that level has been detected.

Funny you bring up Iowa though because Republicans are the ones that are fighting to NOT count legally cast votes in that one because it would make their candidate lose. That tells you everything you need to know in a nutshell, it has nothing to do with making elections fair, it has to do with holding onto power as they slip more into the minority.
??? Social worker in Texas charged with 134 counts of election fraud, easily over 100.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...election-fraud
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??? Social worker in Texas charged with 134 counts of election fraud, easily over 100.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...election-fraud
And they caught the person and have charged them, right? None of the votes seem to have been counted.

Now here's the odd thing ... I can't find anything about this case since Nov 10th when the Texas AG announced it. (BTW, it was 67 people, 2 counts for each person).

I did find this when searching though:

https://www.governing.com/now/Texas-...w-Results.html

(TNS) — The Texas Attorney General's office spent nearly twice as much time working on voter fraud cases this year as it did in 2018 — logging more than 22,000 staff hours — yet resolved just 16 prosecutions, half as many as two years ago, records show.
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And they caught the person and have charged them, right? None of the votes seem to have been counted.
If there were five DUI arrests in Ohio on X date, does that mean there were only five drivers in the state driving under the influence that day?

We really have no idea how much fraud is going unnoticed, if there are cases where it's getting caught, then there is little doubt that are just as many, if not more, that aren't. The motivation is obviously there. Keeping our elections as secure and honest as we can, while also finding a balance in making the process as simple as possible for everyone......is not voter suppression.

There has to be some level of personal responsibility that goes along with it.
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If there were five DUI arrests in Ohio on X date, does that mean there were only five drivers in the state driving under the influence that day?
So obviously we need to make it harder on everyone to get cars ... and guns if you want to go down "making things that are a Constitutional right harder to get".

We really have no idea how much fraud is going unnoticed, if there are cases where it's getting caught, then there is little doubt that are just as many, if not more, that aren't. The motivation is obviously there. Keeping our elections as secure and honest as we can, while also finding a balance in making the process as simple as possible for everyone......is not voter suppression.

There has to be some level of personal responsibility that goes along with it.
Secure and honest does not have to mean "harder if you don't live in the right zip code".

Once voting becomes measurably harder for any part of the population it becomes voter suppression. You can't just write off some people having to spend 2 hours on public transportation or spend 5-10 hours standing in line to vote to "personal responsibility".

You want to get real saucy about actually making it secure and honest, federal election systems are already declared as critical infrastructure, go one step farther and allow the creation of federal standards, audits and regulations that states must abide by. (Bills giving DHS regulatory authority over federal elections consistently fail in Congress).

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There really isn’t much tangible evidence that there’s more fraud today than in the past in our election system, or that whatever amount of fraud is actually happening is of a significant enough nature to change election outcomes. What’s different now from just a few years ago is the presumption of fraud. Rather than the going in assumption being that our election systems are fundamentally sound and our elections are fair, there’s now the assumption that our elections are fraudulent and steps must be taken to ensure fair elections. This is one of the many costs of Trump’s Big Lie claims and his sustained attacks on our democratic institutions: elections, press, government to name a few.
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And they caught the person and have charged them, right? None of the votes seem to have been counted.

Now here's the odd thing ... I can't find anything about this case since Nov 10th when the Texas AG announced it. (BTW, it was 67 people, 2 counts for each person).

I did find this when searching though:

https://www.governing.com/now/Texas-...w-Results.html
Yeah, fair enough, only 67 not 134, Texas' voting laws are more robust, that might have caused the person to get caught, but this sort of scheme would certainly be easier in other states. That is only just one person doing all that too.

The Heritage Foundation has an election fraud database, 1,300 cases of proven fraud.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud



I can not prove a negative, I can not prove that fraud did not happen, we have no idea how much fraud there really is. I have seen enough fraud for me to support reasonable anti-fraud measures.

Ohio's laws are much tougher than Georgia's.

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Detroit poll workers were told to backdate absentee ballots received after the deadline cutoff, also were told to ignore signatures that did not match, this happened thousands of times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...adicts-witness:

Foster also said that thousands of ballots were left unlocked and unguarded for 48 hours, poll books were not balanced, and the total number of voters in Detroit, including how many absentee ballots were sent and received, has not been released.
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You may still be able to make a deposit without any id, I worked as a bank teller 25 years ago, and iinm, we did not require an ID to make a deposit, id was needed for withdrawals, probably needed an id for transfers too.
Right...but deposits aren't defrauding anyone or opening up anyone for fraud or theft.
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And somehow, in Biden's first 3 months, the market is up almost as much as it was Trump's entire 4 year presidency. Seems like Trump was the one holding them back.
Fake news.

What in the world do you think is going to happen when you keep pumping artificial money into the system? From putting money in the bank for people who are spending but not producing (unemployment benefits and extensions), to money keeping businesses afloat that otherwise would be screwed, etc...

This money put into the economy is artificial feel good and is unsustainable. This is the EXACT same bubble as the subprime lending issues that led to the market crash in 2008, but won't have nearly the same crash.

I am not stating that there isn't relief funding needed for individuals and businesses...but the long lasting effects of COVID and the market implications in the future, will not be exempt. You can't sit there with a straight face and think that the market at this point in time isn't directly related to the amount of money being pumped in that wasn't earned and was given to the people.

I know you will say that those workers that are getting these benefits aren't the people that "InvESt in the mArKEt" but you will forget that the people that they are giving this extra money to and spending are directly investing it because they see the crash on the other end and will attempt to time the market.

But wait, there's more.

I vividly remember you stating that Trump's economy was due to Obama. I guess Biden doesn't get that blanket statement?

Just wait and come back to this post in about a year and a half, when COVID is gone, and there is the inability to artificially stimulate the economy.
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And somehow, in Biden's first 3 months, the market is up almost as much as it was Trump's entire 4 year presidency. Seems like Trump was the one holding them back.
This post needs to be bookmarked. I am sure we will be revisiting this one. Phinhead, put your money where your mouth is and invest big. Biden is going to lead you to the prosperity that you deserve.
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Inflation today came in higher that expected.

As some of you have stated, the government money handouts pump up short term spending, which creates short term profits for companies and some shortages in goods, which causes inflation. Long term this is not good for the economy, because as some of you point out the government will have to take this money back through various tax increases, which will blunt spending and the economy.

Look at real estate. Low interest rates and more money in people's pockets is creating a shortage of housing, which is creating price increases in one year of 15-20%. We just looked into buying a new home. The waiting time to build is at least 8 months with no guarantee, due to material shortages. There is a real estate bubble going on and it is only the tip of the bigger bubble developing.
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This post needs to be bookmarked. I am sure we will be revisiting this one. Phinhead, put your money where your mouth is and invest big. Biden is going to lead you to the prosperity that you deserve.
If you’d bookmarked all the post boasting about how well the market was doing under Trump, your browser would run out of memory.
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Fake news.
Real news, but written without context to make a point.

What in the world do you think is going to happen when you keep pumping artificial money into the system? From putting money in the bank for people who are spending but not producing (unemployment benefits and extensions), to money keeping businesses afloat that otherwise would be screwed, etc...

This money put into the economy is artificial feel good and is unsustainable. This is the EXACT same bubble as the subprime lending issues that led to the market crash in 2008, but won't have nearly the same crash.
All that in 3 months? LOL.

I am not stating that there isn't relief funding needed for individuals and businesses...but the long lasting effects of COVID and the market implications in the future, will not be exempt. You can't sit there with a straight face and think that the market at this point in time isn't directly related to the amount of money being pumped in that wasn't earned and was given to the people.
Just watch the last few years, no, the market cares little about what people get, they only care about major corporate balance sheets.


I know you will say that those workers that are getting these benefits aren't the people that "InvESt in the mArKEt" but you will forget that the people that they are giving this extra money to and spending are directly investing it because they see the crash on the other end and will attempt to time the market.
Seems you are learning.


But wait, there's more.

I vividly remember you stating that Trump's economy was due to Obama. I guess Biden doesn't get that blanket statement?
Many people did and I vividly remember being told that wasn't the case, that the market was just waiting for a Republican who would magically take the shackles off of the economy because Obama was obviously the one holding it back, that if it was a Republican it would have been growing much faster and to higher heights.



Just wait and come back to this post in about a year and a half, when COVID is gone, and there is the inability to artificially stimulate the economy.
Be my guest.
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Yeah, fair enough, only 67 not 134, Texas' voting laws are more robust, that might have caused the person to get caught, but this sort of scheme would certainly be easier in other states. That is only just one person doing all that too.

The Heritage Foundation has an election fraud database, 1,300 cases of proven fraud.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud



I can not prove a negative, I can not prove that fraud did not happen, we have no idea how much fraud there really is. I have seen enough fraud for me to support reasonable anti-fraud measures.

Ohio's laws are much tougher than Georgia's.
Not sure this proves what you want it to prove, that's 1300 cases since 1982, the first entries in the database. Those are many billions of votes, tens of thousands of elections if not more and only 1300 cases proved. That is statistically insignificant.
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Not sure this proves what you want it to prove, that's 1300 cases since 1982, the first entries in the database. Those are many billions of votes, tens of thousands of elections if not more and only 1300 cases proved. That is statistically insignificant.
The people at Heritage say the database is not comprehensive, and the real amount of voter fraud is significantly higher.

And it costs a lot to prosecute even one case, it is probably not worth the time and trouble to pursue every individual case.

Again, only a tiny amount of fraud can create big problems, some/many races are decided by a razor thin margin.

https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud

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And one of your links upthread Phin said that GA is already giving out free state photo id's, that should put that angle of voter suppression to rest.
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And one of your links upthread Phin said that GA is already giving out free state photo id's, that should put that angle of voter suppression to rest.
Yes, the ID card is free, there are just a few requirements to get it. I don't have the time to dig back through all of them and estimate the effort/cost to acquire the proper documentation.

I do find it funny that one of the items of proof is "proof you are a registered voter".

https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id
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The people at Heritage say the database is not comprehensive, and the real amount of voter fraud is significantly higher.

And it costs a lot to prosecute even one case, it is probably not worth the time and trouble to pursue every individual case.

Again, only a tiny amount of fraud can create big problems, some/many races are decided by a razor thin margin.

https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud
So an organization who is trying to prove this is covering their collective butts by saying it "isn't comprehensive". How does that make any of their data trustworthy then?

1300 documented cases, double digit convictions ... if that is so far off, then why bother even maintaining this site?
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And somehow, in Biden's first 3 months, the market is up almost as much as it was Trump's entire 4 year presidency. Seems like Trump was the one holding them back.
I started to post a few charts showing where this is the biggest lie seen on the internet today. But why should I show your work for you, get back to us with charts to prove you correct on this one please and I will never post on the OT forums about anything political ever again if you are correct and not full of ****.
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I started to post a few charts showing where this is the biggest lie seen on the internet today. But why should I show your work for you, get back to us with charts to prove you correct on this one please and I will never post on the OT forums about anything political ever again if you are correct and not full of ****.
I will say I misread the original material, it was a post election time frame thing, not an entire presidency thing.

The market bounce after Biden's election (election called to inauguration, the 3 month number, Nov-Jan) was double the size of the bounce in the same period after Trump's election. The market obviously trusted Biden more than it trusted Trump.

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So an organization who is trying to prove this is covering their collective butts by saying it "isn't comprehensive". How does that make any of their data trustworthy then?

1300 documented cases, double digit convictions ... if that is so far off, then why bother even maintaining this site?

Read this, I think it addresses all of your questions.

https://www.heritage.org/article/abo...fraud-database:


About The Election Fraud Database

The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country.

Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought the fraud serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome—or that the results of an election were altered or sufficiently in question and had to be overturned.

It is important to remember that every fraudulent voter registration could result in a fraudulent vote if it is not detected prior to an election. Or it could affect ballot and candidate qualifying petitions that require voter signatures.

Every fraudulent vote that is cast invalidates the vote of an eligible voter, effectively disenfranchising that voter. In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, instances of fraud can have—and have had—an impact in close elections, altering the outcome. We have many close elections in this country.

There are people who claim that election fraud is massive, and those who claim it is exceedingly rare or doesn’t occur at all. But as the U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008 in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, “flagrant examples of such fraud … have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists … [that] demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

The big problem is that nobody really knows the extent of election fraud, including us. While we are not making any definitive claims about the extent of election fraud in our country, we are confident in saying that there are far too many vulnerabilities in our current system. The important thing is that people must have trust in the outcome, which is difficult to do, in large part, because of the vulnerabilities that currently exist.

To be clear, this database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list of all election fraud in the states. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances or allegations of election fraud, some of which may be meritorious, some not, that are not investigated or prosecuted. Because of vulnerabilities that exist in state’s election laws, election fraud is relatively easy to commit and difficult to detect after the fact. Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for.

This database is intended to highlight cases of proven fraud and the many ways in which fraud has been committed. This fraud, committed by Democrats, Republicans, and independents, happened because of vulnerabilities in the states’ election laws.

Reforms intended to ensure election integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote and their confidence in the fairness and integrity of election outcomes no matter who wins.

Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process.

Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable, common-sense steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote.

Americans deserve to have an electoral process that they can trust.
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I read that ... basically 1300 is all we could find that we could actually prove and not just a list of all accusations.

They are covering their butts. "We think there is fraud but we aren't sure".

It's a hedge.
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I will say I misread the original material, it was a post election time frame thing, not an entire presidency thing.

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Ahhhh. Just like old times from before your vacation on here. You post something you hope others will believe to be true. I point out where you are wrong. You back pedal and claim you misread it.
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Ahhhh. Just like old times from before your vacation on here. You post something you hope others will believe to be true. I point out where you are wrong. You back pedal and claim you misread it.
LOL, nope, but nice try but I can see how you think that considering you ignore every point you can't refute looking for the few that might be a little off.

The market is still performing better under Biden. If Trump was still president, you guys would be spamming this forum with market performance and how good the economy was and how beautiful of a shade of orange he looked today but now that he's just a loser exiled to Mar a Lago getting made up participation trophies from the GOP so he stops throwing temper tantrums you have slunk back to the shadows only to pop up to troll and try to score funny points with the rest of the crew.

Oh, I'm sure there will be the invariable "I have a life", "I don't live on the Internet", "I have better things to do" ... no you don't, yes you do, no you don't. You're a troll.

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NO, it was FAKE NEWS, as you later admitted in a follow up post. did not miss you at all when you quit posting for awhile. #facts matter, not made up bull****
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Market hits an all-time high after blowout economic data and strong bank earnings

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/14/stoc...om-record.html
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Inflation increases at highest rate in 9 years.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ecast-in-march

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Inflation increases at highest rate in 9 years.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ecast-in-march
Scary headline but when you read the article ... this seems like a good thing, it's an indicator that we are reopening:

U.S. consumer prices climbed in March by the most in nearly nine years as the end of pandemic lockdowns triggered a rebound in travel and commuting that pushed up the cost of gasoline, car rentals and hotel stays.

The consumer price index increased 0.6% from the prior month after a 0.4% gain in February, according to Labor Department data Tuesday. The jump in the cost of gas accounted for almost half the overall March advance.
Would you rather we stay locked down at the expense of inflation?

The annual inflation figure surged to 2.6%, a figure that was distorted by a pandemic-related decline in prices in March 2020. That effect will begin to fade within several months, helping explain why Federal Reserve policy makers see current price pressures as temporary rather than something more dangerous to the economy.

The core measure rose 1.6% from 12 months ago. Prior to the pandemic, the annual core inflation metric was running north of 2%.
https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of...prices-3306094

Demand-pull inflation is the most common cause of rising prices. It occurs when consumer demand for goods and services increases so much that it outstrips supply. Producers can't make enough to meet demand. They may not have time to build the manufacturing needed to boost supply. They may not have enough skilled workers to make it. Or the raw materials might be scarce.3


If sellers don't raise the price, they will sell out. They soon realize they now have the luxury of hiking up prices. If enough do this, they create inflation.

There are several circumstances that create demand-pull inflation. For example, a growing economy affects inflation because when people get better jobs and become more confident, they spend more
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FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED Biden's 47 years of accomplishments. Joe Biden's Political Career. By year:

FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED Biden's 47 years of accomplishments.
Joe Biden's Political Career. By year:

1973 Biden enters politics...
1974
1975
1976
1977 *Biden fights to keep schools segregated because in his own words, “allowing blacks to integrate would create a racial jungle” Fact check me.
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983 *BIDEN Taxes Social Security*
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988 *Ran for president but had to end his campaign after getting busted for plagiarism.
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993 *BIDEN Taxes Social Security, AGAIN*
1994 ***Biden writes the "Stop and Frisk" law which is what blacks blame for "systemic racism" today. This law took millions of black men from their homes and transplanted them into prison. Way to go Joe. This was Biden's biggest accomplishment in 47 years of elected office. Factcheck me, it's true.
1995
1996
1997 Hang on, not yet.
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003 Still nothing...
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008 Calls Obama the first “articulate" and "clean" mainstream African-American.
2009
2010
2011
2012 Nope, nothing yet.
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020: NOW HE’S READY TO FIX THE COUNTRY.
GOD HELP AMERICA!
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Market tanks today after Biden leaks his tax raising intentions and Green Day.
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FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED Biden's 47 years of accomplishments.
Joe Biden's Political Career. By year:

1973 Biden enters politics...
1974
1975
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1977 *Biden fights to keep schools segregated because in his own words, “allowing blacks to integrate would create a racial jungle” Fact check me.
1978
1979
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1983 *BIDEN Taxes Social Security*
1984
1985
1986
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1988 *Ran for president but had to end his campaign after getting busted for plagiarism.
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993 *BIDEN Taxes Social Security, AGAIN*
1994 ***Biden writes the "Stop and Frisk" law which is what blacks blame for "systemic racism" today. This law took millions of black men from their homes and transplanted them into prison. Way to go Joe. This was Biden's biggest accomplishment in 47 years of elected office. Factcheck me, it's true.
1995
1996
1997 Hang on, not yet.
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003 Still nothing...
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008 Calls Obama the first “articulate" and "clean" mainstream African-American.
2009
2010
2011
2012 Nope, nothing yet.
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020: NOW HE’S READY TO FIX THE COUNTRY.
GOD HELP AMERICA!
But he took the train to save taxpayer money!
His son made millions as a consultant for a country in a field he has zero experience. And the track record of his kids and their wives...oy vey!
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Can't wait to hear the details!

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Are you serious? What does today have to do with yesterday? I guess when the Flyers lost to Fordham, you said no problem since they won the next game.
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In Los Angeles County 30,000 American children are awaiting placement in foster homes. Now our government is trying to place the unaccompanied minors in these foster California homes. The government is currently spending 60 million a week on unaccompanied minors. So now we are supporting the human trafficing industry? And placing these children in the foster care system with benefits putting them on the way to citizenship.
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LOL, thank you for making my point. When Trump was president, you would literally only post about the market when it went up and now that Biden is president, it's only worth posting about when it goes down.

You are so predictable.
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According to the border patrol the surge is directly linked to Biden. https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/04/...m-stay-n385501
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In Los Angeles County 30,000 American children are awaiting placement in foster homes. Now our government is trying to place the unaccompanied minors in these foster California homes. The government is currently spending 60 million a week on unaccompanied minors. So now we are supporting the human trafficing industry? And placing these children in the foster care system with benefits putting them on the way to citizenship.
Have you had any flown to where you live?

Victor Davis Hanson: A nation's well-being hinges on only a few factors – is US teetering on the edge of ruin?
We are now witnessing a concentrated effort to alter the constitutional order and centuries of custom and tradition. We are learning how much will soon be left of what our ancestors bequeathed. And the rest of the world is watching — some with glee, others with horror.

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IRS holding over 29M unprocessed tax returns, delaying refunds for many low-income Americans
At least 8 million returns have been placed in 'suspense' until an IRS employee can review.

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Biden’s needs to step up, if he is a capable executive, and fire John Kerry. I am sure he knows the facts of Kerry’s treason, and waiting on an investigation only shows his weakness.
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Dems +5 on the 2022 generic congressional ballot...NBC/Wall Street Journal...would be very upsetting to Republicans imo if that holds up

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Biden’s needs to step up, if he is a capable executive, and fire John Kerry. I am sure he knows the facts of Kerry’s treason, and waiting on an investigation only shows his weakness.
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The Biden administration "does not comment on leaked material". Apparently, the MSM has a new policy that it does not comment on leaked materials (if it is damaging to Democrats). If it is anti-Trump leaked material, it will be treated as fact and there will be 24 hour coverage. Bob Woodward will be invited as a guest at CNN to tell us all that this latest anti-Trump leak from anonymous sources is "bigger than Watergate!".

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Rex moving their business from CA to TX. The CEO says his employees are thrilled with the move.

Apple opening a campus in Raleigh, which supposedly beat out Ohio for the site. It will be 3,000 jobs at an average salary of $178,000
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Two questions:

How would Dems have reacted if vice-president Pence had profited from having a children's book distributed to illegal immigrant children for the purpose indoctrinating them?

How would Dems have reacted if President Trump's secretary of state had been accused of giving information on over 200 operations of one of our biggest allies to a terrorist nation?

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Kerry has really backed Biden into a corner. Either Kerry’s lying, which is what I believe, or Iran can’t be trusted. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/04...h-iran-n369565
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Kerry has really backed Biden into a corner. Either Kerry’s lying, which is what I believe, or Iran can’t be trusted. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/04...h-iran-n369565
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Sure believe Iran, not your countrymen.
Kerry colluded with Iran to undermine a sitting president. I don't believe a word he says.
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Sure believe Iran, not your countrymen.
Kerry gets no benefit of any doubt since his Vietnam days. He’s a complete fool.
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Seems serious, he may have leaked classified information. I am sure the reaction would be different had a Republican been accused of doing this.

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A lot of people believed Russia more than their countrymen. Russia. The home of Pravda.
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