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Old 05-07-2024, 03:31 PM
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Here's they way I see it. The players are not being held back by the school or the NCAA, they can enter the NBA G league or play overseas if they want paid, they are choosing to take the scholarship path. With NIL, the NCAA is not preventing them earning money outside of school. Unless the school, or NCAA is profiting from selling the use of their name, image or likeness, such as the video game case, I think the players have it as good as they can get it.
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Originally Posted by Kool-ade Flyer View Post
Correct, schooling is considered valueless from a tax standpoint (but certainly not worthless in a real sense).
Tuition value is not taxed, but room & board is. Or, at least, it was when I was in college. Scholarship money that goes toward room & board is taxed as income.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Take basketball individually, how much does that make in profit? Not what is left after supporting the rest of the athletic department.

1. UD makes the same in profit as before, because they still aren't paying the players. Fans/boosters/sponsors are.
2. If you are suggesting the basketball players should be paid because the school is making a profit (before accounting for other sports), then by that logic, shouldn't high school football players get a cut of ticket sales? I would guess most high schools make a profit at football games and lose money on most other sports.
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Originally Posted by superfan99 View Post
1. UD makes the same in profit as before, because they still aren't paying the players. Fans/boosters/sponsors are.
2. If you are suggesting the basketball players should be paid because the school is making a profit (before accounting for other sports), then by that logic, shouldn't high school football players get a cut of ticket sales? I would guess most high schools make a profit at football games and lose money on most other sports.
Most colleges, and therefore I assume most high schools, lose money on football if you don't count merch, TV money, etc... because the insurance costs are so high and things like travel are just way more expensive when you have have 60 people on a team as opposed to 15. I am not aware of high schools that have those revenue streams available although I'm sure that too is coming. Most rich high school football programs are rich because of...wait for it....fans, boosters and sponsors.
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But the employees aren't working for free.
Neither are the athletes. Tuition, room and board, gear, stipend, etc. Unless something has changed, all of that has a cost associated to it, and it's not inexpensive.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
Neither are the athletes. Tuition, room and board, gear, stipend, etc. Unless something has changed, all of that has a cost associated to it, and it's not inexpensive.
You canít really argue with someone who is being intentionally disingenuous in the points they make to support their arguments.

Making statements or insinuating that the players are working for free isnít honest in anyway so the mind is already closed with no argument that could break thru
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Take basketball individually, how much does that make in profit? Not what is left after supporting the rest of the athletic department.
Men's BB shows a "profit" of roughly 8-10 M. The overall athletic budget of approx. 36M shows a wash. So the profit, whatever it may be, is part of total athletic income. Among basketball only schools we are the second most reliant on basketball to support the overall budget. Marquette is #1, I believe Zaga is third.
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...rly-finalized/

NIL-driven Las Vegas college basketball event with millions paid to schools is nearly finalized
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...rly-finalized/

NIL-driven Las Vegas college basketball event with millions paid to schools is nearly finalized
So this will be played basically the same time as Maui. All P4/5 except Gonzaga and San Diego St. Make the rich richer.
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So this will be played basically the same time as Maui. All P4/5 except Gonzaga and San Diego St. Make the rich richer.
St Joes will be in it
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St Joes will be in it
Hawks would do better that Notre Dame.
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I'd heard somebody say that the neutral game against Cinci was neutral in part so that it could benefit NIL for both teams. Anybody know if there's any truth to that?
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Neither are the athletes. Tuition, room and board, gear, stipend, etc. Unless something has changed, all of that has a cost associated to it, and it's not inexpensive.
I agree, and have always thought that scholarships are very valuable, both from a monetary and personal growth standpoint. It does not seem as though the players feel that is worth enough though.

I guess my point goes back to this whole NIL/pay for play thing. Nothing has change monetarily for the NCAA, the conferences and schools. The players are now compensated for their NIL, which was a long time coming. However, it is the fans that are being asked to foot that NIL bill while the NCAA, conferences and schools continue to make the money they make.

I know not every school makes as much as others (I'll use a local school to me, Bryant University, as an example and there is no way that their basketball program turns any profit.) But Dayton basketball makes $8M and I forgot how much the NCAA makes from the NCAA tournament, but I believe it is in the billions. The conferences make money on conference tournaments (much of which they probably share with their members.) I'm sure coaches, AD's, administrators, at the schools, conferences and the NCAA, get paid well and get nice raises and bonuses when they turn these profits. I think if this is the way that things are going, then the schools should be paying the athletes and get rid of the scholarships. The athletes should still be able to get true NIL deals, just like professionals, and the fans can go back to supporting the athletes, the team and the school the same way they always have, by buying tickets, merchandise, etc.
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I went to the Dayton 6th site for the first time today, looked at some merch but mostly came back with some questions.


1) they still promote Kobe and Koby.... do they get a cut of any of the Kobe/Koby merch that is sold moving forward? I dont expect anywhere here to know the answer but made me wonder


2) they should create a former player tie in. They could move the Kobe/Koby stuff there and sell them on discount unless someone is still buying them, but what about Don May, The Legend, Velvet, Perryman, etc.... Perhaps they could even convince them to forgoe part or all of their NIL ties to the shirt as a donation back to the Dayton 6th to help raise funds. I mean who wouldn't want a vintage shirt of the Legend?


3) They need to update the site to add the players in. Perhaps they are not formally enrolled @ UD yet and can't be promoted (though since UD and Dayton 6th work seperatly from one another (allegedly) I'm not sure why they couldn't). Now would be the time to strike on Posh, Connor or any other new flyer. Even if its a "coming soon" feature.



4) they should sell some Dayton 6th branded gear as well as non player related UD gear that could be used on all athletes. Perhaps Marvel Allen gear isn't selling all that much at the moment, but a cut of a UD hoodie would help towards his NIL payments.


I do see now that they have an Obi Jersey, no clue if he gets a cut or not, but that is a start. Get more Obi stuff on there as well as all those mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 View Post
I'd heard somebody say that the neutral game against Cinci was neutral in part so that it could benefit NIL for both teams. Anybody know if there's any truth to that?
This is very interesting if true. If so, this would open the door for all kinds of creative Ďlegalí ways for the schools to be providing dollars to NIL
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I'm not sure if it created NIL for both schools, but I did hear that it did on UC's end on 700 wlw one evening. I guess it would make sense that it would benefit both teams NIL.
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Last fall Nebraska Volleyball sponsored a Volleyball Day with 2 exhibition matches - NE & Creighton and 2 good DII programs in the state. They hosted it at NEís Football Stadium and sold out - breaking the world record for most fans to watch a female sporting event at just over 92,000 tickets sold. It got so big and in demand that they teamed with a bank and brought in country music artist Scotty McCreery who did a concert afterwards.

I thought rOSU, Dayton, Xavier and Cincinnati should do the same as a fundraiser for their programsí NIL. In NEís case, the money just went to volleyball and it was huge. I donít know if anything went to the other schools, but my guess is probably.

There are a lot of creative things that can and will be done.
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The big lawsuit at the moment is House vs NCAA being under a Northern CA jurisdiction judge.

I don't recall the judges name but IIR he also was involved a couple other suits against the NCAA that he decided against the NCAA.

I think this particular lawsuit House v NCAA will be the major kicker to lead to major major changes in the NCAA and College Sports.

The outcome may lead to institutions having to pay athletes although the immediate suit itself is about requiring the NCAA to make a payment to those that participated in sports prior to NIL going back to at least 2016 or so.

Now IF that leads to a later judgment that the NCAA and/or conferences would have to pay athletes it only gets more complex.

Do these athletes become employees? If not what is the mechanism to establish a relationship between a player and the school? Do players become independent contractors? How about unions such as the one if IIR at Dartmouth?

If not an employee and not classified as an independent contractor what are they considered? As an employee the school picks up health insurance, then the schools share of FICA, SS and unemployment benefits ... If an independent contractor the player picks up the full cost of all those items.

If some other arrangement of 'employment' is made does the school pick up all the costs? Is there a shared responsibility? With the already committed cost of facility operations (fixed costs + staff wages) and the Athletic Department (Director, and staff support) plus the salaries of the HC and assistant coaches, trainers, tutors (would they really need those??) and on and on would most schools reduce the number of teams (Olympic versions)?

With the NCAA and conferences having all the money coming in under the 'business' model they have been use to for 50 years how will they react to upsetting that neat model?

Will coaches and all sorts of staff need to get a hair cut? Would they? IIRC Kelly a recent addition to tOSU FB coaches is reportedly making a bit over $2M per year. With bonus and incentives I can only image what Day's total take is.

I believe the pushback from the conferences would be that someone else would have to pay the tab for the teams/players (as if fans don't already do that both directly (i.e. ticket sales) and indirectly (i.e. watching on commercial TV, cable and streaming fees).

You know when ever there is change of any kind at any level those that 'have' will react / fight against those that 'want'!

It will be an interesting next couple of years, won't it?
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A point of significance is that mediation has been ordered in one of the cases. The thought is that the NCAA will want to negotiate a resolution to all of the cases. I do think that the best outcome will be a negotiated settlement. I think it will be best for most parties.
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The issue is the portal and not having to sit out a year. That is the real game changer (no pun intended)
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The issue is the portal and not having to sit out a year. That is the real game changer (no pun intended)
Nothing you wrote was a pun.
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The issue is the portal and not having to sit out a year. That is the real game changer (no pun intended)
The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
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The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
I do agree in principle with freedom of choice and the ability to play where you want to play.

But it's killing the golden goose and for me, and I would guess many others, it's made following college sports way less fun. It's hard to name players on any of the teams from year to year.

Pro sports have multi-year contracts, they just cannot "leave" after one year unless they are a free agent.

There are a lot of things unfair about sports. Caleb Williams is not going to be able to play for anyone but the Bears. But how is that fair? Shouldnt he not be able to choose his employer! The coaches get to pick what teams they coach! That rule is in place to ensure balance throughout the NFL.

I am not sure of the best answer to it, but the unlimited portal will kill college sports.
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The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
The differences, imho, are that at least the school gets something back monetarily in a buyout should a coach uproot and leave during his contract and, if not, shame on the school for not implementing something more favorable for them in that contract and, secondly, almost every coach in his career has at least put his time in and coached at least at a handful of locations and moved his family around.

At least that coach based on my post has earned the right far more than an 18-19 year old that wants to leave because he wants instant gratification, he's not putting in the necessary work for PT or he's unhappy the $$$ aren't pouring in his favor.
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The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
That's why the schools need to pay the athletes and have contracts, then they can put terms and buyouts in them.
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Originally Posted by Brad S. View Post
The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
Every organization should have the right to determine it's own rules which governs its members. Even within the NCAA there are different rules. D1 has rules that are different from D2 which are different from D3 which are different from NAIA which are different from the G League, etc. So, there is no monopoly, you have freedom of choice. In the spirit of sportsmanship, fair competition, and a level playing field outside of the overweighted influence of money, there should be rules and guardrails for players and coaches. Money and a relaxing of rules is ruining college athletics at every turn.
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CBS Sports reports that the NIL Las Vegas Tounament field was completed with the addition of Creighton (who pulled out of their committment for the Battle for Atlantis! Evidently they'll earn enough $$ to pay their way out of the Bahamas contract)

"Alabama, Creighton, Houston, Notre Dame, Oregon, Rutgers, San Diego State and Texas A&M have all committed to play in the event, sources said. Creighton was the final school to join; it formally committed on Friday, sources told CBS Sports. The Bluejays have signed a three-year commitment with the event. Creighton was previously scheduled to play in a loaded 2024 Battle 4 Atlantis field. One source told CBS Sports that Creighton pursued the opportunity after the initial publishing of this story on May 7, when one spot remained unclaimed. As a result, the Bluejays will have to pay a buyout to leave the Battle 4 Atlantis MTE."

"Battle 4 Atlantis organizers are now attempting to recruit a replacement Big East team for that event, another source said. A power-conference team getting plucked from one of the most prestigious college basketball MTEs speaks to power and appeal of the Players Era Festival. Creighton leaving the Bahamas-based tournament sent shock waves across college hoops as word spread Saturday, according to sources"

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Is this event going to be non exempt? Currently you can only be in the same exempt tournament once every four years. How can you sign a 3 year committment?
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"NCAA rules prevent schools from playing in the same MTE more than once in four years; it's why the same high-profile programs aren't in the Maui Invitational in back-to-back years, or even once every three years. As a workaround, organizers of the Players Era Festival are intentionally attempting to break off different MTEs with different names to be played at different Vegas arenas in an effort to bring many of the same teams back for multiple years while technically staging them in separate events.
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The portal is just a tool. And what is the rationale for a player who transfers schools to sit out a year? Coaches who go to another school don't have sit out a year from coaching. College sports is an entertainment business. Absent some negotiated deal, why should there be different participation rules for some entertainers (the players) than others (coaches, refs, etc.)?
And players can also leave if their coach leaves. As to them leaving at will under any circumstances, don't agree with that. I'm okay with a one time free transfer. Beyond that, it should be either because your coach left, family emergency/issue, or grad transfer. There needs to be stability in the sport. If it's just rent-a-player for the year, no one will have incentive to buy jerseys, to buy into their team. Heck, you have more stability at the NBA level.
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There needs to be stability in the sport. If it's just rent-a-player for the year, no one will have incentive to buy jerseys, to buy into their team. Heck, you have more stability at the NBA level.
There is more stability in the NBA because there are negotiated terms with the players' association. That could be done for CBB players as well. The NCAA determining rules for players by fiat isn't going to fly any longer.
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In the spirit of sportsmanship, fair competition, and a level playing field outside of the overweighted influence of money, there should be rules and guardrails for players and coaches. Money and a relaxing of rules is ruining college athletics at every turn.
Again, college sports is an entertainment business, not some noble pursuit. There is no way to separate the money from the business.
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Pro sports have multi-year contracts, they just cannot "leave" after one year unless they are a free agent.
And that could be done in college sports as well.

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There are a lot of things unfair about sports. Caleb Williams is not going to be able to play for anyone but the Bears. But how is that fair? Shouldnt he not be able to choose his employer!
The draft system is part of the contract negotiated between the owners and the players association. That, too, could be done in college sports.
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And that could be done in college sports as well.

The draft system is part of the contract negotiated between the owners and the players association. That, too, could be done in college sports.
I think what you are referring to is professional basketball. This is a thread about college basketball. Or what it used to be.
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With lawsuits still in the pipeline the NCAA isn’t going to do anything and you can’t blame them. They send a rule down and another lawsuit pops up adding years to this Wild West environment. But I do believe they are working behind the scenes to figure out how to rein this in legally so they are ready when they can fix it. The NCAA leaders have to be hearing from the college Presidents about everything bad about what’s going on. And the Presidents are hearing it from coaches, ADs and fans/boosters. It looks like schools need to build a 2-3 year plan to survive and that’s going to take a lot of NIL funds. That’s a big challenge and if it gets pushed out to 3-4 years it could hurt a lot of schools. It’s just not realistic/sustainable to expect boosters to continue to contribute to pay 19-20 year olds on top of their season ticket costs that pay for their college education and room & board.
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I think what you are referring to is professional basketball. This is a thread about college basketball. Or what it used to be.
According to the title, this is a thread about Name, Image and Likeness rights. I realize everybody wants to pretend like that and basketball are the same thing but in actuality they have nothing to do with one another. One is a game that college kids can play if they are good enough to be recruited and given a scholarship and the other is the economic reality of living in a free society.

The only way the latter will ever be regulated is if the players form a bargaining unit and agree to limit their own rights. They of course would never do that unless they have some incentive to do so, and the only thing the NCAA or the schools can offer them is employment with a guaranteed salary. If that doesn't happen, NIL will remain as it currently exists. I would suggest that the NCAA get comfortable talking about professional concepts in college sports. You don't have to because there is nothing you can say or do to effect the state of play, so in a very real and literal sense, what you think does not matter.

You have people on here "spitballing" and discussing ideas that are actually geared toward possible solutions and you post smarta$$ replies because your only thought is "I don't like it." You have said many many times that NIL will lead to you eventually losing interest in college sports. The sooner the better I say! I actually thought you had lost interest at half time of the Nevada game, but you snuck right back onto the bandwagon didn't you.

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If and when schools start paying athletes, I think you will see NIL slow to a crawl for most college athletes, with the exception of a select few (i.e. think Caitlin Clark, Bronny James, etc.)
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If and when schools start paying athletes, I think you will see NIL slow to a crawl for most college athletes, with the exception of a select few (i.e. think Caitlin Clark, Bronny James, etc.)
I think you are right. At least I hope you are!
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If and when schools start paying athletes, I think you will see NIL slow to a crawl for most college athletes, with the exception of a select few (i.e. think Caitlin Clark, Bronny James, etc.)
I agree coming out of the current litigation this would appear right now to be where all this goes. The pro-set up is legal and thatís a collective bargaining-employer set up. UD has to survive and hopefully be creative enough to thrive until it can get there.
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I agree coming out of the current litigation this would appear right now to be where all this goes. The pro-set up is legal and that’s a collective bargaining-employer set up. UD has to survive and hopefully be creative enough to thrive until it can get there.
One thing that doesn't get talked about a lot but could throw a huge wrench in the works is the vast disparity between the interests of the P5 schools and everyone else. Schools like UD and the Big East schools might begrudgingly come to the table because they feel it is their only option. On the other hand, if you are tOSU, do you want to split football revenue with the players, or just keep your money and let the boosters pay the players? While the solution to free market NIL seems to be employment, there are many schools, particularly football schools who may be just fine with the system the way it is now.

I think this will ultimately lead to the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA at least in football, (if I were the NCAA I would say "in or out," but they won't and it might not matter anyway). Who knows what that ends up looking like. I agree job one for today is survival, but who knows what is coming down the road. One thing we know for sure is that we are not driving the bus.
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One thing that doesn't get talked about a lot but could throw a huge wrench in the works is the vast disparity between the interests of the P5 schools and everyone else. Schools like UD and the Big East schools might begrudgingly come to the table because they feel it is their only option. On the other hand, if you are tOSU, do you want to split football revenue with the players, or just keep your money and let the boosters pay the players? While the solution to free market NIL seems to be employment, there are many schools, particularly football schools who may be just fine with the system the way it is now.

I think this will ultimately lead to the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA at least in football, (if I were the NCAA I would say "in or out," but they won't and it might not matter anyway). Who knows what that ends up looking like. I agree job one for today is survival, but who knows what is coming down the road. One thing we know for sure is that we are not driving the bus.
When it was announced several months ago that the SEC and the Big 10 were working together to come up with guardrail ideas, it was a huge warning shot for all other conferences.
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Help me understand why you think that. The player salaries would be funded by the school. The NIL is funded by the collective which is funded from outside the school. Why wouldn't the athlete not continue to ask (demand) an NIL deal in addition to their salary? Ther athletes are clearly driving the bus now.
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Help me understand why you think that. The player salaries would be funded by the school. The NIL is funded by the collective which is funded from outside the school. Why wouldn't the athlete not continue to ask (demand) an NIL deal in addition to their salary? Ther athletes are clearly driving the bus now.
Amen. Also every player is not going to take the same salary, or you are back to illegal supplements.
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The only thing the courts ďallowedĒ is true NIL (and the forcing folks to pay for using NIL), the pay to play aspect has always been there but in the shadows (see any number of movies that addresses this). You are correct in your thinking that Ďemploymentí status or school negotiated salaries will not stop a Texas billionaire from offering $1 million to a stud he thinks would be great for his Alma Mater. No idea what the answer is, but the NCAA created this mess when it went crazy stupid with rules that crashed down on them.
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Help me understand why you think that. The player salaries would be funded by the school. The NIL is funded by the collective which is funded from outside the school. Why wouldn't the athlete not continue to ask (demand) an NIL deal in addition to their salary? Ther athletes are clearly driving the bus now.
My thought process is that once the athletes are paid by the schools there will be few players whose values are beyond their salary. I think NIL will become more of a true form of NIL where those athletes that are worth something in endorsements/representation will get theirs and those that aren't worth it won't get much. Just like in professional sports, there are many players that have very little or even no endorsement value. The college model will basically become a professional model.
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My thought process is that once the athletes are paid by the schools there will be few players whose values are beyond their salary. I think NIL will become more of a true form of NIL where those athletes that are worth something in endorsements/representation will get theirs and those that aren't worth it won't get much. Just like in professional sports, there are many players that have very little or even no endorsement value. The college model will basically become a professional model.
What you are suggesting (which is very plausible) is basically the old model (scholarship /stipend Ö. Sorry HUGE stipend, athletic dept perks (gym, food, gear) plus legal opportunities for NIL for those with cache or moxie and the few will receive bags of cash on the windshield of a new car.

Iím actually happy with that scenario rather than this open in your face bidding war.
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My thought process is that once the athletes are paid by the schools there will be few players whose values are beyond their salary. I think NIL will become more of a true form of NIL where those athletes that are worth something in endorsements/representation will get theirs and those that aren't worth it won't get much. Just like in professional sports, there are many players that have very little or even no endorsement value. The college model will basically become a professional model.
I see your point, but I think at least for right now, the athletes are in the drivers seat and their greed will push the envelope. Also, if I'm a school, I don't want the extra expense of salaries, so I'm going to try and get my collective to fund player payments, to achieve a competitive overall number. As we are all saying, this is a mess.
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I see your point, but I think at least for right now, the athletes are in the drivers seat and their greed will push the envelope. Also, if I'm a school, I don't want the extra expense of salaries, so I'm going to try and get my collective to fund player payments, to achieve a competitive overall number. As we are all saying, this is a mess.
I think one context that has been discussed is that if the players are employees or otherwise organized in some way, a lot of these issues could be collectively bargained. The thing most people seem to hate about NIL is the total lack of guard rails, caps, etcÖ. While those things canít be imposed on the players, they could certainly be part of a bargaining agreement.

Thereís a ton of things I hate about that model. It basically turns the schools into NBA owners and I canít even wrap my head around what it would mean for other sports. A mess is right.
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I think one context that has been discussed is that if the players are employees or otherwise organized in some way, a lot of these issues could be collectively bargained. The thing most people seem to hate about NIL is the total lack of guard rails, caps, etcÖ. While those things canít be imposed on the players, they could certainly be part of a bargaining agreement.

Thereís a ton of things I hate about that model. It basically turns the schools into NBA owners and I canít even wrap my head around what it would mean for other sports. A mess is right.
I think the colleges will be dumping the secondary sports. They will have no choice.
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I think one context that has been discussed is that if the players are employees or otherwise organized in some way, a lot of these issues could be collectively bargained. The thing most people seem to hate about NIL is the total lack of guard rails, caps, etcÖ. While those things canít be imposed on the players, they could certainly be part of a bargaining agreement.

Thereís a ton of things I hate about that model. It basically turns the schools into NBA owners and I canít even wrap my head around what it would mean for other sports. A mess is right.
Good points, but what does the collective bargaining look like? Is it done by school, by conference, by Division I vs II vs III? Or by sport, or by position within a sport? Does grade year factor in? If this is bargained collectively at the NCAA level, it just provides a baseline for each athlete. I can't imagine that players would give up their right to NIL money. That's where the real money is made.

So, for basketball, if everyone inside and outside the power 5+1 are able to convince the players to agree to a baseline of say $10k for a fr, $15K for a soph, $25k for a jr, and $50K for a sr., that's fine for 80% of you players. The other 20% are still going to chase big NIL money. The power 5+1 may try to double / triple / or more, the base salaries to in essence funnel more players their way or force a split between the P5+1 and everyone else.

The big tradeoff might be the sit rule - We, the institutions will guarantee higher payouts to players (in whatever form that looks like) in trade for a one year sit out for transfers. That gives teams more continuity year over year and severely limits the portal mess we are seeing today. And, the players get their $$$$.

Here's another tidbit or two . . . do the players have to pay union dues? What if a player decides to opt out of the bargaining agreement.

There are a thousand ways this whole thing goes sideways . . .
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Again, I will say it's going to be hard to tell a Caitlin Clark type athlete that she can't take the $1M+ from State Farm because of some bargaining chip.
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Again, I will say it's going to be hard to tell a Caitlin Clark type athlete that she can't take the $1M+ from State Farm because of some bargaining chip.
You can't use endorsements to circumvent the salary cap in other sports, but players can still get them. It would require penalties for those using NIL as a way to circumvent the CBA and an entity empowered to investigate and enforce the rules.

With a CBA, the NCAA could then give itself better investigatory and enforcement powers under the agreement. Not to say it would, but it could. It would make it much easier to catch those circumventing the rules and punish the teams and/or players appropriately.
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You can't use endorsements to circumvent the salary cap in other sports, but players can still get them. It would require penalties for those using NIL as a way to circumvent the CBA and an entity empowered to investigate and enforce the rules.

With a CBA, the NCAA could then give itself better investigatory and enforcement powers under the agreement. Not to say it would, but it could. It would make it much easier to catch those circumventing the rules and punish the teams and/or players appropriately.
Given that it has been going on for years, I doubt the NCAA would do anything about it regardless of any future agreement. The genie is out of the bottle and won't be put back in anytime soon.
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You can't use endorsements to circumvent the salary cap in other sports, but players can still get them. It would require penalties for those using NIL as a way to circumvent the CBA and an entity empowered to investigate and enforce the rules.

With a CBA, the NCAA could then give itself better investigatory and enforcement powers under the agreement. Not to say it would, but it could. It would make it much easier to catch those circumventing the rules and punish the teams and/or players appropriately.
Then I am guessing that if schools start paying the athletes' salaries, then collectives will go away, and athletes will have to get NIL through unaffiliated agents just like professional athletes do, essentially making college athletes professionals. Welcome to the minor leagues.
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I'm okay with players still getting NIL, I think though, that all NIL should have to go through a school NIL officer and not some collective. So, if State Farm wants to sponsor Caitlyn Clark, that's fine. They contact the school, work out the arrangement, etc. Verified real opportunity and reporting to NCAA. And, that can follow the player if they transfer. But if it gets rid of "agents", boosters, etc who are just doing pay to play, then that's a plus for me. As to the schools paying players, well, they already are, in terms of scholarship, food, stipend, gear, etc. If the goal is to play more and offer certain protections, like injury guarantees for scholarships etc, okay. But, what does that look like. Is Title IX going to determine just that you have to pay men and women, or will it dictate they are paid the same? What about other sports, like Lacrosse, Tennis, soccer, track, etc. Will everyone be paid the same? If there's not enough money, does the school just eliminate a bunch of sports, so there's only football and basketball remaining?
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I'm okay with players still getting NIL, I think though, that all NIL should have to go through a school NIL officer and not some collective. So, if State Farm wants to sponsor Caitlyn Clark, that's fine. They contact the school, work out the arrangement, etc. Verified real opportunity and reporting to NCAA.
So if you have a side hustle, would you be OK with having it go through your employer to verify its legitimacy and make sure it's reported to all the appropriate agencies?

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But if it gets rid of "agents", boosters, etc who are just doing pay to play, then that's a plus for me.
Why do you feel there should be any restriction on who can be a player advocate?

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As to the schools paying players, well, they already are, in terms of scholarship, food, stipend, gear, etc.
That's been the weak NCAA hand wave to all of this right from the start.

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If the goal is to play more and offer certain protections, like injury guarantees for scholarships etc, okay. But, what does that look like.
It looks like lots of other sports contracts, I'd imagine.

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Is Title IX going to determine just that you have to pay men and women, or will it dictate they are paid the same? What about other sports, like Lacrosse, Tennis, soccer, track, etc. Will everyone be paid the same? If there's not enough money, does the school just eliminate a bunch of sports, so there's only football and basketball remaining?
We'll have to wait for all the lawsuit dust to settle.
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So if you have a side hustle, would you be OK with having it go through your employer to verify its legitimacy and make sure it's reported to all the appropriate agencies?

Why do you feel there should be any restriction on who can be a player advocate?

That's been the weak NCAA hand wave to all of this right from the start.

It looks like lots of other sports contracts, I'd imagine.

We'll have to wait for all the lawsuit dust to settle.
Title IX is about equal opportunity and treatment in education. It could get dicey as payment from the schools could create an employment relationship. In that case, Title VII may determine the outcome. Equal pay issues would likely be implicated. It gets really difficult.
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So if you have a side hustle, would you be OK with having it go through your employer to verify its legitimacy and make sure it's reported to all the appropriate agencies?

Why do you feel there should be any restriction on who can be a player advocate?

That's been the weak NCAA hand wave to all of this right from the start.

It looks like lots of other sports contracts, I'd imagine.

We'll have to wait for all the lawsuit dust to settle.
I don't have a contract with my employer, so they have no say in what I do or don't do. But, if it was directly related to my work for my employer, then yes, I would likely at least have to get approval and review.

It's odd that you think advocating is the same as paying (and taking a cut). Are you an agent or a wannabe agent? If you want things to be on the up and up, then there needs to be control. Since players since a letter of intent to play for a school, the school then effectively controls their employment. The school needs to be responsible for ensuring that there is no outside interference in the contractual relationship. This isn't rocket science, nor does it limit the ability of the student to capitalize on NIL. Now, if a player started a side gig unrelated to basketball, that's a different/murkier situation. Kid starts a website business, but how do you ensure that revenue to that isn't just a booster kicking money to a player. There's never going to be a perfect situation, but if this is the route we're going, where players end up being employees, then yes, you can rest assured the employer has the right to control all aspects of your employment, including side gigs that utilize the skills and talents you've developed.
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I don't have a contract with my employer, so they have no say in what I do or don't do. But, if it was directly related to my work for my employer, then yes, I would likely at least have to get approval and review.

It's odd that you think advocating is the same as paying (and taking a cut). Are you an agent or a wannabe agent? If you want things to be on the up and up, then there needs to be control. Since players since a letter of intent to play for a school, the school then effectively controls their employment. The school needs to be responsible for ensuring that there is no outside interference in the contractual relationship. This isn't rocket science, nor does it limit the ability of the student to capitalize on NIL. Now, if a player started a side gig unrelated to basketball, that's a different/murkier situation. Kid starts a website business, but how do you ensure that revenue to that isn't just a booster kicking money to a player. There's never going to be a perfect situation, but if this is the route we're going, where players end up being employees, then yes, you can rest assured the employer has the right to control all aspects of your employment, including side gigs that utilize the skills and talents you've developed.
I guess I would agree that if you have an employment contract your employer has the right to control all aspects of your employment so long as those aspects are addressed in the contract. You can't just add terms to the contract after the fact, unless everyone agrees and generally you also have to pay additional consideration for additional terms, (like a non-compete for example, to the extent those are even still legal). The practical point is that everyone is going to have to do the same thing or else you don't solve any problems. The one good thing about a CBA is that things like minimum salaries, salary caps, limits on NIL, etc... can all be negotiated and included. If every "employer" does their own thing, then you are going to end up with "Dayton will pay me x, but I can't do NIL" but if I go to LaSalle, they will pay me less but I can do NIL. That eventually gets us right back to where we are now. As I said in an earlier post, there are a ton of things I hate with the employment model but if that is where this goes, I think there basically has to be a CBA.
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Are there any CBA's that limit NIL? I get that CBA's may address a team securing NIL money to circumvent a salary cap. But if done on the up and up do any CBA's limit an athletes right to earn NIL? I just don't see that happening.
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Are there any CBA's that limit NIL? I get that CBA's may address a team securing NIL money to circumvent a salary cap. But if done on the up and up do any CBA's limit an athletes right to earn NIL? I just don't see that happening.
I think that the redistribution of funds happens when a settlement is reached. There are college players making more in NIL money than many NBA players. That isnít sustainable. When schools are able to pay or otherwise be directly involved in paying players, I think the deep pocketed interests direct their money to athletic departments. It could all be wrapped up in a revenue sharing agreement. I have no idea what kind of money players will be making, but a revenue sharing agreement will be much better for the overwhelming number of players.
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I think that the redistribution of funds happens when a settlement is reached. There are college players making more in NIL money than many NBA players. That isnít sustainable. When schools are able to pay or otherwise be directly involved in paying players, I think the deep pocketed interests direct their money to athletic departments. It could all be wrapped up in a revenue sharing agreement. I have no idea what kind of money players will be making, but a revenue sharing agreement will be much better for the overwhelming number of players.
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Agreed on your overall points. However, before the narrative starts to snowball, I don't think there are many college players making more money than "many" NBA players. The rookie minimum in the NBA is just shy of $1M, for a player with 1 year of experience that jumps to $1.5M, (minimum). There are certainly a few college kids making more money than a few NBA players but I don't think there are a lot. The "record" NIL deal currently stands at $2M I believe. I think a lot of people would be surprised if we actually knew everyone's NIL number. I am guessing there are not that many college basketball players north of $1M.
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I think that the redistribution of funds happens when a settlement is reached. There are college players making more in NIL money than many NBA players. That isnít sustainable. When schools are able to pay or otherwise be directly involved in paying players, I think the deep pocketed interests direct their money to athletic departments. It could all be wrapped up in a revenue sharing agreement. I have no idea what kind of money players will be making, but a revenue sharing agreement will be much better for the overwhelming number of players.
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Just looking at UD. I think the number I saw was 22% in one of the proposals. Doesnít that set up Olympic sports to get decimated
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I think that the redistribution of funds happens when a settlement is reached. There are college players making more in NIL money than many NBA players. That isnít sustainable. When schools are able to pay or otherwise be directly involved in paying players, I think the deep pocketed interests direct their money to athletic departments. It could all be wrapped up in a revenue sharing agreement. I have no idea what kind of money players will be making, but a revenue sharing agreement will be much better for the overwhelming number of players.
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I still can't wrap my head around this whole revenue sharing. Don't virtually all of the athletic programs basically break even or operate at a loss? Where is all this money that is going to be shared with players??
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I still can't wrap my head around this whole revenue sharing. Don't virtually all of the athletic programs basically break even or operate at a loss? Where is all this money that is going to be shared with players??
Yes, because the revenue producing sports subsidize the non-revenue producing sports. I think the only logical explanation is that everyone has to fend for themselves. While I don't like the idea of cutting off the non-producing sports, there is some logical appeal to the argument that if the basketball or football team produces all the money, it should be shared with those players and not the men's fencing team. Welcome to the real world four years early I guess.
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Are there any CBA's that limit NIL? I get that CBA's may address a team securing NIL money to circumvent a salary cap. But if done on the up and up do any CBA's limit an athletes right to earn NIL? I just don't see that happening.
I am not aware of any, but it isn't really an issue anywhere else so that doesn't surprise me.
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I think that the redistribution of funds happens when a settlement is reached. There are college players making more in NIL money than many NBA players. That isnít sustainable. When schools are able to pay or otherwise be directly involved in paying players, I think the deep pocketed interests direct their money to athletic departments. It could all be wrapped up in a revenue sharing agreement. I have no idea what kind of money players will be making, but a revenue sharing agreement will be much better for the overwhelming number of players.
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The redistribution of funds will be the profits but I can't see that stopping Caitlin Clark from getting $1M+ from State Farm. I don't think players like her will want to or have to share that money with anyone else. We do live in a free market society.
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The redistribution of funds will be the profits but I can't see that stopping Caitlin Clark from getting $1M+ from State Farm. I don't think players like her will want to or have to share that money with anyone else. We do live in a free market society.
Are you sure? Look at the restrictions unions have negotiated that prevent some players from entering the draft. Collective bargaining can yield unlikely outcomes. The last years can layer be viewed as an aberration as far as money is concerned. Itís worth mentioning that endorsement deals have changed significantly over time. Now, there are some who say that the endorsement deal eta is over. Professional players are forming their own corporations and setting up partnerships where they maximize their on line images. Itís certainly a changing dynamic with outcomes that will surely stun most, or all, of us.
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I still can't wrap my head around this whole revenue sharing. Don't virtually all of the athletic programs basically break even or operate at a loss? Where is all this money that is going to be shared with players??
Look at the size of the new streaming package of the Big10. Look at how much more money it provides than just 5 years ago. Did all of the other sports have an increase in financial needs to be offset by the enormous increase? How do diii sports exist without the streaming deals? How did the Big10 teams survive prior to streaming contracts?
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I still can't wrap my head around this whole revenue sharing. Don't virtually all of the athletic programs basically break even or operate at a loss? Where is all this money that is going to be shared with players??
The men's BB program shows a "profit" of roughly 8-9 million. That money is folded into the overall athletic budget of about 36M + or -. The thought of revenue sharing would probably involve the 8-9M generated with the help of the players. Thus less to go into the general athletic budget, thus putting all the other athletic programs (none of which make a profit) at some risk. Not in favor of this approach at all.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer View Post
Are you sure? Look at the restrictions unions have negotiated that prevent some players from entering the draft. Collective bargaining can yield unlikely outcomes. The last years can layer be viewed as an aberration as far as money is concerned. Itís worth mentioning that endorsement deals have changed significantly over time. Now, there are some who say that the endorsement deal eta is over. Professional players are forming their own corporations and setting up partnerships where they maximize their on line images. Itís certainly a changing dynamic with outcomes that will surely stun most, or all, of us.
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I think they limit who can enter the draft to protect the current members in the players union, not to limit how much they can make. And I agree that endorsements are changing, but there will still be commercials for the time being and companies will still want to hire athletes to endorse their products/services.
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I think they limit who can enter the draft to protect the current members in the players union, not to limit how much they can make. And I agree that endorsements are changing, but there will still be commercials for the time being and companies will still want to hire athletes to endorse their products/services.
I get what youíre saying. The difference in what Iím saying is that the older players are protecting older players. The top paid players arenít protecting the next crop of top paid players. The NFL has made small steps in the same direction. In collective bargaining, itís the number of yes votes not the size of some of the yes votes. Of course, Iím not saying Iím right. This is one of the ideas that I poached somewhere else. In the end, I do think weíll see some sort of revenue sharing. The revenue sharing will be based on the players collective streaming value. Perhaps we see a revenue sharing that gives players a piece of the pie for items sold. That would allow the star player to collect more as more merchandise is sold with his name on it. The big thing is that revenue sharing could be realized without players being employees. It would most likely require some help at the federal level allowing for players to be considered non-employees yet under an exemption would be covered under the NLRA. It would allow them to collectively bargain. Of course, they can collectively bargain if theyíre employees, but there are a host of reasons why this could be difficult.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-85m-nil-deal/

Georgia QB Jaden Rashada sues Florida coach Billy Napier, among others, over botched $13.85M NIL deal
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Coaches arenít trained in management, specifically contracts and compensation.
Teams will need to hire CEOís and legal teams to build the team. Coaches will be stuck doing a few things -handling practice and game coaching. Their status, and probably pay, will go down as their required responsibilities shrink.
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Teams will need to hire CEOís and legal teams to build the team. Coaches will be stuck doing a few things -handling practice and game coaching. Their status, and probably pay, will go down as their required responsibilities shrink.
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No they aren't but if Napier also verbally made that promise to the kid then it's no shock he's included in the lawsuit. Not only that but Florida should be handed down extreme penalties due to the fact that a coach is involved in NIL which is not supposed to happen.

Most sought-after players today, along with plenty of HS players, have very a shrewd and wise legal teams surrounding them regarding NIL. OSU signed the #1 player in HS football, Jeremiah Smith, earlier this year and his LOI came in extremely late in the evening as they were crossing every T/dotting every i well into the night.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-85m-nil-deal/

Georgia QB Jaden Rashada sues Florida coach Billy Napier, among others, over botched $13.85M NIL deal
Interesting to note that Rashada is at Georgia now and got permission from the coach to bring the lawsuit

I'd be curious if people connected to Georgia are paying for it
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This just in . . .

https://www.si.com/college-football/...ttlements?s=09

"Here are the numbers: The NCAAís payment of back damages in lost NIL revenue is expected to be $2.7 billion over a decade, with $1.6 billion of that coming in reduction of NCAA revenue distribution to member schools. Of that $1.6 billion, roughly 60% is proposed to come out of the pockets of programs in those 22 non-FBS leagues, with 40% coming from the power conferences. Those 22 leagues, (the ďCCA22Ē) would like to see those percentages pretty much flipped: 58% of the reductions coming from the Power 5 leagues and 42% from the rest of Division I."

Why stop here? Why not pay reparations to the descendents of the peach basket era players who started the game . . .
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This just in . . .

https://www.si.com/college-football/...ttlements?s=09

"Here are the numbers: The NCAAís payment of back damages in lost NIL revenue is expected to be $2.7 billion over a decade, with $1.6 billion of that coming in reduction of NCAA revenue distribution to member schools. Of that $1.6 billion, roughly 60% is proposed to come out of the pockets of programs in those 22 non-FBS leagues, with 40% coming from the power conferences. Those 22 leagues, (the ďCCA22Ē) would like to see those percentages pretty much flipped: 58% of the reductions coming from the Power 5 leagues and 42% from the rest of Division I."

Why stop here? Why not pay reparations to the descendents of the peach basket era players who started the game . . .
The Peach Basket Era players will be free to pursue litigation if they arenít covered by the settlement.
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The Peach Basket Era players will be free to pursue litigation if they arenít covered by the settlement.

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I want to be part of the lawsuit that gives females reimbursements for college tuition, book, room & board, etc because they didnít have womenís sports and I was discriminated against. Let me know where to sign up. Thanks - it never ends.
Thereís going to be a womenís basketball play in tournament to determine who merits reparations. Itís open to all women who attended college prior to Title IX. They expect it to be an intense octogenarian athletic event. We can hear a husband yelling from the stands, ďthatís a peach, hon.Ē

Edit: my apologies to the women who graduated in Ď67-Ď72 and are not Octogenarians. Itís just such a fun word, and it is nice to roll it out on occasion.
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The big lawsuit at the moment is House vs NCAA being under a Northern CA jurisdiction judge.

I don't recall the judges name but IIR he also was involved a couple other suits against the NCAA that he decided against the NCAA.

I think this particular lawsuit House v NCAA will be the major kicker to lead to major major changes in the NCAA and College Sports.

The outcome may lead to institutions having to pay athletes although the immediate suit itself is about requiring the NCAA to make a payment to those that participated in sports prior to NIL going back to at least 2016 or so.

Now IF that leads to a later judgment that the NCAA and/or conferences would have to pay athletes it only gets more complex.

Do these athletes become employees? If not what is the mechanism to establish a relationship between a player and the school? Do players become independent contractors? How about unions such as the one if IIR at Dartmouth?

If not an employee and not classified as an independent contractor what are they considered? As an employee the school picks up health insurance, then the schools share of FICA, SS and unemployment benefits ... If an independent contractor the player picks up the full cost of all those items.

If some other arrangement of 'employment' is made does the school pick up all the costs? Is there a shared responsibility? With the already committed cost of facility operations (fixed costs + staff wages) and the Athletic Department (Director, and staff support) plus the salaries of the HC and assistant coaches, trainers, tutors (would they really need those??) and on and on would most schools reduce the number of teams (Olympic versions)?

With the NCAA and conferences having all the money coming in under the 'business' model they have been use to for 50 years how will they react to upsetting that neat model?

Will coaches and all sorts of staff need to get a hair cut? Would they? IIRC Kelly a recent addition to tOSU FB coaches is reportedly making a bit over $2M per year. With bonus and incentives I can only image what Day's total take is.

I believe the pushback from the conferences would be that someone else would have to pay the tab for the teams/players (as if fans don't already do that both directly (i.e. ticket sales) and indirectly (i.e. watching on commercial TV, cable and streaming fees).

You know when ever there is change of any kind at any level those that 'have' will react / fight against those that 'want'!

It will be an interesting next couple of years, won't it?
I am happy to read this. I can only assume given the logic at play in this suit that I will someday get a check for all the student loan payments I made because I was unlucky enough to be born 20 years too early. Life isn't fair, move on.
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Let’s make things worse . . .


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Why not give every student athlete, in all sports and at any level, $1,000,000
each and make a D average passing grade and free beer in the dorms.
Silly? I'd bet every penny I have there'd still be complaints from those
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Seems like this will eventually lead to less schools fielding teams. The impact on non/low revenue generating sports will be immense. Those that steered college athletics to this point will point to the revenue generated for the schools and quietly omit the personal wealth they have accumulated.

Conferences and teams will be affiliated by corporate sponsorship. That's when the NCAA no longer has a purpose. The corporate sponsors will decide who, what, where, and when (and how much).
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Seems like this will eventually lead to less schools fielding teams. The impact on non/low revenue generating sports will be immense. Those that steered college athletics to this point will point to the revenue generated for the schools and quietly omit the personal wealth they have accumulated.

Conferences and teams will be affiliated by corporate sponsorship. That's when the NCAA no longer has a purpose. The corporate sponsors will decide who, what, where, and when (and how much).
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just saw an article where Mr. Connor is placing his money and focus on a deep sea expedition to the Titanic. That does not sound like contributing to the Dayton 6th (Dayton NIL) pool of money is on his radar.
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I just saw an article where Mr. Connor is placing his money and focus on a deep sea expedition to the Titanic. That does not sound like contributing to the Dayton 6th (Dayton NIL) pool of money is on his radar.
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Seems like he is already a substantial NIL contributor.
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What about naming the sub "Rudy Flyer" Painting it UD colors with advertising for UD and NIL contributions. Would that help??
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https://brobible.com/sports/article/...io-basketball/

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First off, LC doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who takes uncalculated risks. Granted, he tends towards high adrenaline adventures, but they all seem to be highly thought out. That said, anything can happen at any time to anyone . . .
For what it's work, here's my take on the Ocean Gate disaster. A very good friend of mine's next door neighbor was the father in law of the head of that program. He died in the vessel. Apparently, the entire project was under funded and under engineered. The guy was a thrill seeker who did things on the cheap.
Our challenge is to continually add to a stable of individuals who have the means and desire to keep us competitive in the NIL arena going forward. We can't just rely on the same individuals over and over. And, small donors, while appreciated, will not be able to move the needle going forward.
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