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If I was going to nominate someone for the North Carolina head coaching position and the name was going to be a name NOT already mentioned in the tabloids, I would pick Bill Self of Kansas. He is 58 years young. He has been at Kansas for 17 years. It’s time for him to try something new before he gets stale. A few years from now; he will be considered too old to make the move.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
If I was going to nominate someone for the North Carolina head coaching position and the name was going to be a name NOT already mentioned in the tabloids, I would pick Bill Self of Kansas. He is 58 years young. He has been at Kansas for 17 years. It’s time for him to try something new before he gets stale. A few years from now; he will be considered too old to make the move.
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So much for that.........Kansas signs Self to a lifetime contract.
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So much for that.........Kansas signs Self to a lifetime contract.
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“Most notably, Self’s contract states he cannot be fired for cause because of this infractions matter. If Self is suspended as a result of this NCAA case, he will forfeit half of his $2.975 million annual salary during the length of that suspension, though it will not affect the $2.435 million retention bonus he’s set to receive on April 1 of each year.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article250390171.html
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I guess that I was not the only one who noticed that Bill Self was a potential candidate for the North Carolina job. Someone at Kansas acted fast and signed him to a lifetime contract.
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John Brannen at UC is placed on administrative leave, he is not allowed to recruit...if they fire him, they owe him $5 million...sounds like they do not want to pay the $5 million...sounds like they are trying to find just cause to fire him so they can skip out on paying the $5 million...I would like to know what he did that was so egregious, half the team seems to like him
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Originally Posted by ud2
John Brannen at UC is placed on administrative leave, he is not allowed to recruit...if they fire him, they owe him $5 million...sounds like they do not want to pay the $5 million...sounds like they are trying to find just cause to fire him so they can skip out on paying the $5 million...I would like to know what he did that was so egregious, half the team seems to like him
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The Athletic article I read mentioned sources saying that Brannen exceeded allotted practice time hours, and ran them so hard in a few practices that the medical staff had to step in to stop the practice and give IV fluids due to cramping. It mentioned up to 3 1/2 hour practices.
One of the remaining 4 players left on the roster still supports Brannen. Brannen seemed to run a clean program at NKU AFAIK.
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Where was UC's concern prior to 6 players entering the transfer portal? How was the AD unaware of frequent violations? If no one entered the transfer portal, was UC going to place him on leave? I think we know the answers to these questions.
I'm not excusing or condoning Brannen's conduct. I just wholly believe that this situation should result in numerous adverse employment actions.
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UC's reason is that they want to get rid of him but don't want to pay him the $5M they will owe him for terminating him without cause. They are building a case to fire him with cause.
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Originally Posted by foolishpride
The Athletic article I read mentioned sources saying that Brannen exceeded allotted practice time hours, and ran them so hard in a few practices that the medical staff had to step in to stop the practice and give IV fluids due to cramping. It mentioned up to 3 1/2 hour practices.
One of the remaining 4 players left on the roster still supports Brannen. Brannen seemed to run a clean program at NKU AFAIK.
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UNC interviewed candidates, all connected with the school. “The list included, but was not limited to, current UNC assistant coaches Steve Robinson and Hubert Davis, Vanderbilt head coach Jerry Stackhouse, Monmouth head coach King Rice and UNC Greensboro head coach Wes Miller.”
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Originally Posted by foolishpride
The Athletic article I read mentioned sources saying that Brannen exceeded allotted practice time hours, and ran them so hard in a few practices that the medical staff had to step in to stop the practice and give IV fluids due to cramping. It mentioned up to 3 1/2 hour practices.
One of the remaining 4 players left on the roster still supports Brannen. Brannen seemed to run a clean program at NKU AFAIK.
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So I read the linked Athletic article...he may have broken the NCAA rules regarding the length of practice time, other than that, no other potential violations were mentioned...he is a demanding coach I guess, several commenters implied that Huggins and Cronin were just as tough or tougher...it does not sound like his players trust him...I will guess that some sort of negotiated settlement will be reached, and he is fired...they might want to wait until next year to hire a new coach since the coaching carousel has been in full swing for several weeks now...this will all set their program back a ways.
Covid made things worse...the transfer portal made things worse...the "free" extra year of eligibility made things worse...not having to sit out a year when transferring made things worse...tough situation...does not seem like there were any problems when he was at NKU, so this is all very surprising.
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And I am not understanding how he was able to get away with maybe violating the NCAA practice time rules. It sounds like the whole practice time tracking thing is based on the honor system. I am surprised that there is not some sort of structured system, required to be used by the NCAA, used to track practice time in order to keep in compliance. The medical people that were giving the players IV's at practice had to know that those practice time rules were being violated.
I think this practice time violation thing may be widespread, I remember Rich Rodriguez, the former Michigan football hc, got caught violating the practice time rules.
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And I am not understanding how he was able to get away with maybe violating the NCAA practice time rules. It sounds like the whole practice time tracking thing is based on the honor system. I am surprised that there is not some sort of structured system, required to be used by the NCAA, used to track practice time in order to keep in compliance. The medical people that were giving the players IV's at practice had to know that those practice time rules were being violated.
I think this practice time violation thing may be widespread, I remember Rich Rodriguez, the former Michigan football hc, got caught violating the practice time rules.
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Sean Miller is finally held accountable and has been fired by Arizona. The Miller brothers coaching stars have fallen quickly.
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Too slow, you have to wake up pretty early to beat lhs, he's always on top of things, which I greatly appreciate, haha.
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A friend in Arizona indicated that Sean Miller may not be far from joining Archie in the unemployment line.
Honestly, with all the crap that swirled around him, I don't know how Sean remained employed this long.
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Well it certainly is NOT Miller Time! From the Penthouse to the Outhouse in a few short years. I remember reading somewhere a while back that Sean's father advised him NOT to go to Arizona but stay at Xavier. I guess he should have heeded his father's advise. Now both Sean and Archie are on the outside looking in. All that glitters is not gold. It is going to be interesting to follow what happens next for both brothers.
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Originally Posted by Bill McPeek
Well it certainly is NOT Miller Time! From the Penthouse to the Outhouse in a few short years. I remember reading somewhere a while back that Sean's father advised him NOT to go to Arizona but stay at Xavier. I guess he should have heeded his father's advise. Now both Sean and Archie are on the outside looking in. All that glitters is not gold.
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Yeah, but per Sean, Arizona was a Lexus, and Xavier was just a Buick, how could he say no to that Lexus? Lol.
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In 1965 my uncle decided it was time to splurge at age 57. After driving Buicks most of his life he decided it was time for a brand new Cadillac. Only problem was the new Caddy didn't fit in his garage and he had to do a slight construction job to modify the garage so he could get the car to fit. In the years that followed that Caddy was the WORST car he ever owned! It required a lot of TLC and was in the shop more than it was on the road (or in the garage). Sometimes those Buicks are just fine.
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i would imagine both miller bros will get gigs somewhere as assistants if they want. certainly archie...maybe sean takes a year off?
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I will bet as much as you'd like that the word "Assistant" will not be in their next job title. You don't lose your job in P5 conferences and rebound with an assistant's job, they will both be head coaches somewhere.
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I will bet as much as you'd like that the word "Assistant" will not be in their next job title. You don't lose your job in P5 conferences and rebound with an assistant's job, they will both be head coaches somewhere.
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08
i would imagine both miller bros will get gigs somewhere as assistants if they want. certainly archie...maybe sean takes a year off?
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"Why stand by Miller for years only to dismiss him now when A) the notice of allegations that finally arrived was kinder to him than most anticipated it would be, and B) he had a preseason top 25 team set to return? According to Stadium's Jeff Goodman, it's because Miller continued to have the support of influential boosters despite his program's NCAA troubles, which made it difficult for the administration to pull the trigger until now. I get that, I guess. But it's the administration's job to convince the boosters that keeping Miller under these circumstances was counter-productive. Their inability to do so was a failure."
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I think both Archie and Sean Miller might be candidates. I cannot figure out Brannen. I thought he did a really good job at NKU.
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I think both Archie and Sean Miller might be candidates. I cannot figure out Brannen. I thought he did a really good job at NKU.
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All things considered, the optics on Sean don’t look good for Cincy to consider him. This is probably a redline UC would be wise not to cross.
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I think both Archie and Sean Miller might be candidates. I cannot figure out Brannen. I thought he did a really good job at NKU.
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I remember reading an article in the Athletic about Brannen’s father passing away a little over a year ago. It was a very traumatic time for him...I don’t recall the circumstances.
He may have just snapped. Between that and Covid there might have been a lot of bad juju going on in his life.
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Wonder if John Brannen would ever join the Flyer's staff. He's been Grant's assistant for nine seasons, three at VCU and six at Alabama. He was Grant's associate head coach for his last two years in Tuscaloosa. Even coached him for two seasons while Brannen was a player for Marshall.
I can't imagine Brannen is a hot commodity right now, but Grant brought Donnie Jones aboard in the past, and Jones seemed to have an even bigger strike against him.
I thought Brannen did an incredible job at NKU and thought he'd get UC going at some point. Not entirely sure what all went down at UC (probably need some clarity there), but I haven't seen anything particularly ****ing thus far. Feels more like some weird administration/booster stuff.
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Wonder if John Brannen would ever join the Flyer's staff. He's been Grant's assistant for nine seasons, three at VCU and six at Alabama. He was Grant's associate head coach for his last two years in Tuscaloosa. Even coached him for two seasons while Brannen was a player for Marshall.
I can't imagine Brannen is a hot commodity right now, but Grant brought Donnie Jones aboard in the past, and Jones seemed to have an even bigger strike against him.
I thought Brannen did an incredible job at NKU and thought he'd get UC going at some point. Not entirely sure what all went down at UC (probably need some clarity there), but I haven't seen anything particularly ****ing thus far. Feels more like some weird administration/booster stuff.
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Regarding Brannen, this is worth reading, this pretty much captures what I thought, I liked the hire, not sure this was a justified firing, this might have been a mistake...Cronin might have hit his ceiling at UC, Brannen is a good offensive coach and is a good recruiter.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...ve/7155017002/
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UNC Greensboro hc Wes Miller hired as hc at Cincinnati.
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Wes Miller seems like a pretty good hire...10 years at UNCG...took him 6 years to make the NIT or NCAAT, but he basically started from scratch, UNCG had not done much in the 15 years before he arrived: 1 ncaat bid as a 16 seed and 2 years better than Kenpom #112...his final 5 years there: 2 NCAAT and 2 NIT...good luck to him
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This is a mediocre hire at best. I think the Bearcats will be in the doldrums for several years after all of this debacle.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Regarding Brannen, this is worth reading, this pretty much captures what I thought, I liked the hire, not sure this was a justified firing, this might have been a mistake...Cronin might have hit his ceiling at UC, Brannen is a good offensive coach and is a good recruiter.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...ve/7155017002/
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I too thought Brannen was a great hire for UC and I was surprised it didn't work out better. When Archie left, the three guys I thought Dayton should consider were Crean, Grant and Brannen. That's how high on Brannen I was. But I do think he'll get another job in a year or so from a school in a mid-major conference, and likely will have success there similar to what he had at Northern Kentucky. Maybe he's more of an Oliver Purnell type that excels at building a program. Heading up a program with loftier expectations ain't easy, even for good coaches. See: Miller, Archie.
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This is a mediocre hire at best.
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I'm with Tommy here. Wes Miller built UNC-Greensboro into a winner in his fifth season while Brannen did it at Northern Kentucky in his second season. Prior to being a head coach, Miller (who played at UNC) was an assistant at Elon and High Point. His playing, coaching, recruiting roots, etc are really pretty exclusively tied to the Carolinas. Brannen on the other hand, who is a Northern KY native, was at Charleston, Eastern KY, and St. Bonaventure before Grant hired him on at VCU and took him with him to Alabama. That's really good experience with a broad recruiting footprint in comparison to Miller. Obviously, Brannen didn't work out and maybe Miller will but if you want to play the game of who was a better hire on paper for UC, it was Brannen by a mile.
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Former Bearcat Erik Martin, who’s been an assistant for Huggs at WVU, would have been a much better hire by UC.
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LOL. So people want to try to play Miss Cloe here and say who's a better/who's a worse hire, etc. Just let it play out if you really want to be logical.
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LOL. So people want to try to play Miss Cloe here and say who's a better/who's a worse hire, etc. Just let it play out if you really want to be logical.
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Sorry for having an opinion, that’s what people do on discussion boards.
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I guess it's par for the course for some former players to bash the next coach selected for their beloved school if
"their" guy is not hired. Lookie at what Gilbert Arenas said about Arizona's new coach:
“An assistant coach doesn’t have credentials. ... I don’t even wanna say his name because he doesn’t deserve it.”
https://www.yardbarker.com/college_b...1_127_34636187
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Originally Posted by Ready Action
I guess it's par for the course for some former players to bash the next coach selected for their beloved school if
"their" guy is not hired. Lookie at what Gilbert Arenas said about Arizona's new coach:
“An assistant coach doesn’t have credentials. ... I don’t even wanna say his name because he doesn’t deserve it.”
https://www.yardbarker.com/college_b...1_127_34636187
In several years I can't wait to hear what Obi will say about Dayton's next coach selection...LOL. More interesting whom will Obi be puling for to get the gig? Crutcher?
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Is that what it was? If so you really need to begin or end with a "in my opinion".
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Originally Posted by ud2
Wes Miller seems like a pretty good hire...10 years at UNCG...took him 6 years to make the NIT or NCAAT, but he basically started from scratch, UNCG had not done much in the 15 years before he arrived: 1 ncaat bid as a 16 seed and 2 years better than Kenpom #112...his final 5 years there: 2 NCAAT and 2 NIT...good luck to him
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Nice stepping stone job for him before he takes over at UNC in a few years.
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My apologies. Is that what it was because I read it with you saying Martin "would be" a much better hire as if you might really know something. If so you really need to begin or end with a "in my opinion".
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My apologies. Is that what it was because I read it with you saying Martin "would be" a much better hire as if you might really know something. If so you really need to begin or end with a "in my opinion".
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SMH. C'mon man. Saying something or someone is better is always an opinion and doesn't need to be labeled. And it's obvious that you knew this.
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Is that what it was? If so you really need to begin or end with a "in my opinion".
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So let me get this straight, every time you make any written or verbal statement, it needs to be preceded with “In my opinion”? Laughable, I’ll try to do better next time.
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So let me get this straight, every time you make any written or verbal statement, it needs to be preceded with “In my opinion”? Laughable, I’ll try to do better next time.
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In my opinion, that's exactly what he means. But, in my opinion, it might not be. But in my opinion it sure seems like it.
Okay, excuse me, I got to go to the bathroom. That's not an opinion and not up for debate.
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At least Steve didn’t call you obtuse which is his favorite retort. I’ve been labeled obtuse three or four times by him now.
Perhaps Chris should start an obtuse meter instead of red pips? Or, maybe Steve could stop watching Shawshank Redemption every time it airs on AMC?
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At least Steve didn’t call you obtuse which is his favorite retort. I’ve been labeled obtuse three or four times by him now.
Perhaps Chris should start an obtuse meter instead of red pips? Or, maybe Steve could stop watching Shawshank Redemption every time it airs on AMC?
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In my opinion, I’ve never found any of your posts to be obtuse.
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How will college basketball survive without god’s gift to coaching? Cheated year after year, landed most of the top players, and still couldn’t win championships consistently. Maybe he’s getting out before the Zion recruiting scandal is exposed and penalties are handed down.
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How will college basketball survive without god’s gift to coaching? Cheated year after year, landed most of the top players, and still couldn’t win championships consistently. Maybe he’s getting out before the Zion recruiting scandal is exposed and penalties are handed down.
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I also found him insufferable.
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Certainly, he could be insufferable. But he was very good for the game. Polarizing is good. College basketball is a coaches' game. With some of the biggest names stepping down it will be important for the game for some new blood to step forward into those large shadows.
In this case, it is much better to be loathed than to be insignificant. College basketball is at a crossroads. With the player movement that is coming, coaches could become even more important to the health and popularity of the game.
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Something worth noting: Calipari cheated every year, as did Self and Ryan Miller amongst others. K has way more Natty's than all of them combined.
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I think you mean Sean Miller. Archie’’s given name is Ryan.
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"For cause," in this case, was Brannen paying $135 for a player to see a psychiatrist/mental healthcare professional.
Especially with NIL coming through, that's a piddling amount of money (some booster would have likely paid him five-times that much for an autographed picture) and just bad faith operations by the UC athletic department.
What a cynical, awful place the NCAA can be. Flagrant cheaters, like Will Wade and Bill Self, continue to collect their checks, but Brannen can get canned for something like this.
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Originally Posted by flyer016
"For cause," in this case, was Brannen paying $135 for a player to see a psychiatrist/mental healthcare professional.
Especially with NIL coming through, that's a piddling amount of money (some booster would have likely paid him five-times that much for an autographed picture) and just bad faith operations by the UC athletic department.
What a cynical, awful place the NCAA can be. Flagrant cheaters, like Will Wade and Bill Self, continue to collect their checks, but Brannen can get canned for something like this.
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Getting canned for the $135 is merely a technicality/formality.
He's getting canned because the manner with which he treated his players, both mentally and physically, is what precipitated this player needing a mental health professional.
Having read the links, I have no problem with Brannen's firing. Shocking to think anyone else would think differently.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Getting canned for the $135 is merely a technicality/formality.
He's getting canned because the manner with which he treated his players, both mentally and physically, is what precipitated this player needing a mental health professional.
Having read the links, I have no problem with Brannen's firing. Shocking to think anyone else would think differently.
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I don't want to take sides on this until Brannen has had a chance to respond, if that ever happens, but I wonder how common this sort of stuff/drama is? Sounds like the practice hours issue/violation is easily fudged. Not sure if all teams use heart monitors at practice either. And I wonder if the passing out/collapsing/vomiting at practice from running is common.
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The disconnect between the medical and athletic staffs should be uncommon, everyone should be on the same page and rowing in the same direction. There was an obvious disconnect.
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The disconnect between the medical and athletic staffs should be uncommon, everyone should be on the same page and rowing in the same direction. There was an obvious disconnect.
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Well, it sounds like the disconnect was deliberate, from what I read, Brannen was pretty much totally resistant to the medical people being involved/having any authority, but again, we are only hearing one side of the story.
I think Bobby Knight and maybe others used to do these things, but I highly doubt that this is common anymore.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I don't want to take sides on this until Brannen has had a chance to respond, if that ever happens, but I wonder how common this sort of stuff/drama is? Sounds like the practice hours issue/violation is easily fudged. Not sure if all teams use heart monitors at practice either. And I wonder if the passing out/collapsing/vomiting at practice from running is common.
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Yep. And it's also the way the AD basically had him fired before even hearing all the facts or even Brannen's side. Could have been serious tension between those two and this was icing on the cake.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I don't want to take sides on this until Brannen has had a chance to respond, if that ever happens, but I wonder how common this sort of stuff/drama is? Sounds like the practice hours issue/violation is easily fudged. Not sure if all teams use heart monitors at practice either. And I wonder if the passing out/collapsing/vomiting at practice from running is common.
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I would hope that wearing heart monitors is a standard practice in di basketball. Miami's hockey team has heart monitors, and their budget is dwarfed...really dwarfed...by UC's basketball budget.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Getting canned for the $135 is merely a technicality/formality.
He's getting canned because the manner with which he treated his players, both mentally and physically, is what precipitated this player needing a mental health professional.
Having read the links, I have no problem with Brannen's firing. Shocking to think anyone else would think differently.
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Others have already captured the sentiment, but this stuff is happening at a healthy chunk of competitive basketball schools. I don't necessarily like it, nor do I think Brannen's firing is especially unjust.
I do think it was a convenient excuse to fire him. Were Brannen winning, there would be no question about his methods. And if there was a full-scale mutiny accompanying the victories, he'd be given a reprimand and a chance to mend his ways.
Instead, Cunningham sought cause to fire him and found it. Not right or wrong, because Brannen wasn't some paragon of virtue, but it's undoubtedly cynical on UC's part. Perhaps they're still trying to distance themselves from Huggins, but I would imagine much worse went on for decades (though, again, no excuse).
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Originally Posted by flyer016
Others have already captured the sentiment, but this stuff is happening at a healthy chunk of competitive basketball schools.
Were Brannen winning, there would be no question about his methods. And if there was a full-scale mutiny accompanying the victories, he'd be given a reprimand and a chance to mend his ways.
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Agree, IMO he would still be the hc if UC had made the NCAAT in either of his 2 years as hc despite what has been reported about what was happening.
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