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Originally Posted by FlyerBob View Post
I feel bad for him honestly (as much as I can for a young millionaire)- he had the perfect gig at UD.
Please don’t feel bad for a guy that received a $10,000,000 severance package. I would love to get fired for that kind of money. Also, another example of the grass not always being greener.
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I thought he was going to kill it at IU too, and I thought he would get one more year. I could not have been more wrong.

Big difference between UD and IU for some reason I guess, I am not sure what went wrong. I wonder if he knows what went wrong? Maybe his personality hurt recruiting.

He wasn't horrible, 1/4 making the ncaat, including this screwed up year. This seems like a rash decision IMO. Oh well, life goes on.

Smart that they pulled the trigger now before any of the other bigger jobs start getting filled, they've got the whole world to choose from.

I bet Archie wishes he had stayed at UD, knowing what he knows now, no way he thought this would happen.

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Could see Porter Moser the Loyola coach getting a call.
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Originally Posted by Fudd View Post
Xavier fans seem to be lighting the torches, grabbing the pitchforks and talking about marching on Travis Steele.
Yeah, he is on thin ice too, I hear lots of complaining about him. I can't imagine he gets fired this year, but I've been wrong before.
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Could see Porter Moser the Loyola coach getting a call.
I’m not sure the IU fan base will be very excited about Porter Moser. They still consider themselves blue bloods and many thought hiring a Dayton coach was beneath them as a program.
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I feel bad for him honestly (as much as I can for a young millionaire)- he had the perfect gig at UD.
Perfect gig? If it was perfect, he wouldn’t have left.

He is not the first person to leave a comfortable situation because he wanted something more and failed. He had to try it though. It was in his DNA.

Feel sorry for him? I don’t. He gave it a shot but it didn’t work out. He made a ton of money trying.
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Could Archie end up at X after next year?
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I bet Archie wishes he had stayed at UD, knowing what he knows now, no way he thought this would happen.
It's so 50-50 in Archie's decision to go to Indiana.

One one hand, UD is a great brand, and he could be king of the city (sorry rollo), and stay here long if he kept succeeding. And he'd get the money he would want, and he would have the run of the mill. But, then, he would be accepting to not get a big time gig like his brother in Arizona.

On the other hand, he knows that getting the Indiana gig as his second college head coaching job is huge. Big blue-blood legacy. Many NCAA championships hanging from the rafters. All he has to do is whatever he did in Dayton to almost beat Florida to get to the Final Four, and he could then get Indiana back to the top. And as most basketball coaches believe they can do it, he surely felt he could and it would be like living a dream.

But, Archie isn't stupid. He surely had to know that if he couldn't turn things around and get back to the top of the Big 10 in 4 years, and struggle to stay about 500 in conference, his job was on the chopping block. That might be why his buyout was $10 million. It's bussiness, after all.
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Could Archie end up at X after next year?
No way they go after him before a guy like Pat Kelsey.
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Well, here is the "money" quote:

"Given the university’s very tight financial situation in light of the COVID-19 pandemic, private philanthropic funding has been obtained for all transition costs and obligations related to the change in leadership," Dolson said in the release. "We worked to secure the necessary private support following my recommendation to President McRobbie, ensuring that there would be no charges to the university budget."


So basically, the alumni had enough, to the point of paying to get rid of him.
I wonder who would be a proven coach that is ready to walk into that position for a guarantee of a $10M parachute in 2025?
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Could Archie end up at X after next year?
I think that might make sense. X knows the Millers. The Millers know X. Everyone knows that Archie was a big success in Dayton. X's fanbase is up in arms over Steele and missing the tournament for a long time. I'm not sure how hot Steele's seat is now, but there is some fan movement against him.

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I think that might make sense. X knows the Millers. The Millers know X. Everyone knows that Archie was a big success in Dayton. X's fanbase is up in arms over Steele and missing the tournament for a long time. I'm not sure how hot Steele's seat is now, but there is some fan movement against him.
What makes you think Archie will succeed at X? FOUR bad years in a row at IU?
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$10MM to get him out of town. They must have hated him - a lot.
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What makes you think Archie will succeed at X? FOUR bad years in a row at IU?
I just think that X might give Archie a hard look if they decide to fire Steele. Both parties are very familiar with each other. I know X fans who were impressed with Archie's success at Dayton. I'm making no predictions on success or failure if things were to go down that way. In fact, it might be fun to watch it happen and then watch the whole thing turn just downright awful.

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What makes you think Archie will succeed at X? FOUR bad years in a row at IU?
I don’t see Miller getting fired from a Big 10 job and going straight to a Big East job. His next coaching job will be a significant step down like Gregory ending up at South Florida.
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I don’t see Miller getting fired from a Big 10 job and going straight to a Big East job. His next coaching job will be a significant step down like Gregory ending up at South Florida.
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He's over in another thread, backpedaling off his post from last week re: Archie getting canned that stated "Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Not this year."
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Archie might have been caught by surprise.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattNorla...93504652828674:

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Less than 48 hours later, he’s fired and owed $10 million in a buyout.

Separate source tells CBS Sports that Indiana informally reached out to potential candidates to gauge their interest for the job as far back as a few weeks ago. Wheels have been quietly, if not hesitantly, in motion on this for a little while.
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Archie might have been caught by surprise.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattNorla...93504652828674:

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Less than 48 hours later, he’s fired and owed $10 million in a buyout.

Separate source tells CBS Sports that Indiana informally reached out to potential candidates to gauge their interest for the job as far back as a few weeks ago. Wheels have been quietly, if not hesitantly, in motion on this for a little while.
Wow, I really do hate to hear that he was caught off guard.

If they've been reaching out, then they "KNOW" they can get one of their reasonable targets to the bargaining table.
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We saw at UD that Archie could no recruit. Indiana is no longer the big boy, even in their state. Kids in HS now will say who is Bob Knight, and Indiana is no longer relevant.
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I bet Archie wishes he had stayed at UD
Last year I heard from a very reliable source, who I will not name, that Archie expressed this very sentiment to Larry and Bucky.

Archie's first year we played Fordham in NYC. As is the custom there was a pre game get together, usually with some folks from the administration present. Archie's wife was there also. I went up to her and expressed a "welcome to UD" statement. I then told her it is a "very special place". She looked at me like I was some kind of crazy man. I could tell then that both she and Archie had their sights set on" bigger and better" gigs.
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We saw at UD that Archie could no recruit. Indiana is no longer the big boy, even in their state. Kids in HS now will say who is Bob Knight, and Indiana is no longer relevant.
This is sort of a shot in the dark, but does Mark Few at Gonzaga strike you as having a more reserved, introverted personality? If so, Archie might have been better off doing what Few did, so maybe Archie should have stayed at UD for the long term in a non-p5 job.
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We saw at UD that Archie could no recruit. Indiana is no longer the big boy, even in their state. Kids in HS now will say who is Bob Knight, and Indiana is no longer relevant.
This is a great point- of course the Big10 is a draw- but to these young kids UD with Obi's Sports Center highlights still fresh are likely more relevant than Indiana in this what have you done lately world. Look at the pic TyTy posted on his announcement of the UD offer.
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Wow, I really do hate to hear that he was caught off guard.

If they've been reaching out, then they "KNOW" they can get one of their reasonable targets to the bargaining table.
Yes, I suppose if they land their target(s), and things work out in the coming years, then the $10 million+ might have been worth it. It's a calculated risk I guess. Their target(s) might not have been available next year also, things change, lots of moving pieces.

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From 4 years ago, lol. I was not the only one who was wrong. A "slam dunk" hire.





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I don’t see Miller getting fired from a Big 10 job and going straight to a Big East job. His next coaching job will be a significant step down like Gregory ending up at South Florida.
I could see Archie winding up in the Big East or Pac 12. He succeeded at UD and failed at Indiana, surely there's something in between. Gregory's success at UD is debatable, but it surely never reached the success of Archie and therefore he wound up at what was considered a smaller step up(in conference if not program) at GT. AM's failure at Indiana doesn't negate his success at UD.
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Remember the $10M is paid monthly over 3 years and offset by any other coaching income. Archie isn’t sitting out 3 years. It won’t cost them $10M. Who knows, they may have already struck a deal for half.
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From 4 years ago, lol. I was not the only one who was wrong. A "slam dunk" hire.





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granted this is info is like 1.5 years old, but I was told that Archie's wife and his daughter were not living in Bloomington, but living elsewhere while she chased her gymnastic dreams. I have no clue how their marital bliss is working, but if that arrangement was truly a sacrifice made by Morgan in the interest of her daughter, if may mean Archie takes a couple of years off coaching anywhere to be around his wife and daughter on a regular basis. Course, I'd imagine at her age, 1.5 years is a lifetime in gymnastics, so those dreams/arrangement may have been altered.
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Schmidt will be the next coach at Boston College . Archie will be let go by

Indiana . Brad Stevens will be the next coach at Indiana .
This aged well. One out of two ain't bad. Now if Stevens gets named the next Coach at IU..........

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We saw at UD that Archie could no recruit. Indiana is no longer the big boy, even in their state. Kids in HS now will say who is Bob Knight, and Indiana is no longer relevant.
What??? AM couldn't recruit at UD? Pierre, Scooch, Kyle, Kendall, Big Steve, Mikesell, Landers, McKinley Wright and Kostas. And it was mainly his recruits that got us to 4 straight NCAA appearances. Maybe he can't recruit as well as CAG, but he certainly recruited better than the coaches that preceded him.

Now, some of his recruits failed under the CAG regime but that might be due more to a bad match-up than the player's skills. It's a fact that player/coach matches are important. That's why recruits have to put in lots of work and research into finding the right program. XW for instance performed very well as a sophomore for AM but didn't fit well with AG.

And of course, there were other recruits that had the talent, but came with baggage that that cost them such as Scott and Robinson.

Saying AM couldn't recruit at UD is revisionist history.
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Penn State hires Micah Shrewsberry...busy day today.

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According to a tweet this morning by Stadium’s Jeff Goodman, Penn State will name Purdue associate head coach Micah Shrewsberry as their new head basketball coach.

Shrewsberry has been on Matt Painter’s staff for the past two seasons, and was an assistant with the Boston Celtics from 2013-19. He also spent 2011-13 at Purdue before making the jump to the NBA. The Indiana native also worked for Brad Stevens at Butler, and spent two seasons as the head coach at Indiana South Bend.

He will replace interim head coach Jim Ferry, who led the Nittany Lions to an 11-14 (7-12 Big Ten) record this past season.

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Xavier fans seem to be lighting the torches, grabbing the pitchforks and talking about marching on Travis Steele.
Point guard Kyky Tandy transferring out, All Big East Freshman Team last year, hmmm

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When you go 2-22 at Iowa State with wins over Pine Bluff and Jackson State, I think its safe to say you're going to need Two Men and a Truck. ISU is probably the only basketball school in the Big-12 other than Baylor, though they are trying to change that and well on their way if their MBB/FB trajectories continue. The Cyclones did lose some close games...by 5 to WVU, 11 to Baylor, 6 to Texas, 4 to WVU, 3 to TCU, 10 to Oklahoma, 5 to Baylor, 4 to TCU, 6 to Oklahoma, 5 to K-State. They all still count as losses.
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This is sort of a shot in the dark, but does Mark Few at Gonzaga strike you as having a more reserved, introverted personality? If so, Archie might have been better off doing what Few did, so maybe Archie should have stayed at UD for the long term in a non-p5 job.
I should not have called Few reserved or introverted as I know nothing about him, he just has a different mindset as the below, longer-form journalism articles describe. Few has been pursued by UCLA, Southern California, California Berkeley, and probably many others, but he has never interviewed for another job since he took over at Gonzaga.

The world "chilled" seems more appropriate. It's all about the right fit at GU for Few personally, and he also only pursues players that are the right fit positionally/right fit for the team, and also he only pursues players that really want to play at GU, as Spokane is not the right fit for everyone, Few and recruits sort of mutually weed each other out, it has to be a match for both Few and the recruit.

2 hours before tip-off Few is sometimes still at home taking a run with his dog. On off-days during the season he sometimes goes fishing, he brings his dog to practice sometimes, he doesn't like dealing with the posses that higher-rated recruits sometimes have, he is very involved in attending his kids sporting events, etc. His life does not revolve around basketball.

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When you go 2-22 at Iowa State with wins over Pine Bluff and Jackson State, I think its safe to say you're going to need Two Men and a Truck. ISU is probably the only basketball school in the Big-12 other than Baylor, though they are trying to change that and well on their way if their MBB/FB trajectories continue. The Cyclones did lose some close games...by 5 to WVU, 11 to Baylor, 6 to Texas, 4 to WVU, 3 to TCU, 10 to Oklahoma, 5 to Baylor, 4 to TCU, 6 to Oklahoma, 5 to K-State. They all still count as losses.
He was not that bad outside of this year, 3/6 making the ncaat at ISU, including a Sweet 16. A lot of coaches would like to make the ncaat half the time with a Sweet 16 and a round of 32. Round of 64 the other year.
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When you go 2-22 at Iowa State with wins over Pine Bluff and Jackson State, I think its safe to say you're going to need Two Men and a Truck. ISU is probably the only basketball school in the Big-12 other than Baylor, though they are trying to change that and well on their way if their MBB/FB trajectories continue. The Cyclones did lose some close games...by 5 to WVU, 11 to Baylor, 6 to Texas, 4 to WVU, 3 to TCU, 10 to Oklahoma, 5 to Baylor, 4 to TCU, 6 to Oklahoma, 5 to K-State. They all still count as losses.
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At Dayton, Archie recruited kids like himself. Undersized, underreated, bulldog mentality. Tough kids who would play hard. At Indiana, Archie was expected to recruit the 4 and 5 star Indiana kids, regardless if they fit his scheme and style. He was never going to have the success there he had at Dayton, because he was never a fit there.
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I feel like Archie is a really good game coach. I'm not sure what happened on the recruiting front at Indiana. I did not follow that closely. But I never doubted his ability to manage a game really well.

That said, once things go sideways with a team, it's hard to recover.
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I feel like Archie is a really good game coach. I'm not sure what happened on the recruiting front at Indiana. I did not follow that closely. But I never doubted his ability to manage a game really well.

That said, once things go sideways with a team, it's hard to recover.
Part of "managing a game" is being able to pull very good basketball players together to play as a team. He was unable to do that at IU. His players were very, very athletic, but not extremely skilled. Archie could not develop the skills of these otherwise highly athletic players.
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I also think it is easier to game coach for a guy like Archie in the A10. In the A10 there is most likely a bigger weakness to take advantage of than in the B1G where the 5 players on the other side are all highly skilled.
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I feel like Archie is a really good game coach. I'm not sure what happened on the recruiting front at Indiana. I did not follow that closely. But I never doubted his ability to manage a game really well.

That said, once things go sideways with a team, it's hard to recover.
His recruiting includes three straight Indians Mr. Basketball winners and a few McDonald’s all- Americans. At least on paper recruitment was done well.
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At Dayton, Archie recruited kids like himself. Undersized, underreated, bulldog mentality. Tough kids who would play hard. At Indiana, Archie was expected to recruit the 4 and 5 star Indiana kids, regardless if they fit his scheme and style. He was never going to have the success there he had at Dayton, because he was never a fit there.
Agree...I think this was probably part of the problem...and I think when you do it Archie’s way, it takes longer to reap the rewards...IU did not have the patience to see things thru to the end: both Archie and IU maybe should have realized this during the interviewing process, this may have been a bad match from the start.

Archie did not suddenly become a bad coach, I think he is better off in a situation like Scott Drew has at Baylor, somewhere where Archie has the needed time to implement his system, he maybe should have stayed at Dayton and built the Gonzaga of the Midwest.
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When AM went to IU, the rap on Crean had been that he couldn't or didn't recruit the players from Indiana. AM did recruit the local boys, problem was the local boys didn't live up to expectations. Agree that Archie's methods were at odds with the "Indiana culture". Folks there still think the program is still at the level of the first part of Knight's reign. Big money folks stepped up and covered the buyout. Will be interesting to see who comes in. Can't speak for AM, but given the outcome, I'll bet he would look at the UD job in an entirely different light. Money wise he is on easy street, wonder what he will do next?
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Shifting gears to another job that could open, but I've been curious for months to see if Bruce Weber can survive the last 2 seasons at KState. 11-21 last year. 9-20 this year. No where near competitive with B12 teams other than TCU and Iowa St, with some even uglier losses (Ft. Hays State) this year. Although they did show some signs of life in late Feb/early March.
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Part of "managing a game" is being able to pull very good basketball players together to play as a team. He was unable to do that at IU. His players were very, very athletic, but not extremely skilled. Archie could not develop the skills of these otherwise highly athletic players.
Nobody can be expected to manage a game properly when his team has to wear striped warm-up clown pants. For this reason, I absolve Archie of the coaching sins he committed in Bloomington. Those pants have been a coach-killer since the turn of the century.

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John Beilein?
JB to IU would have the advantage of not having to pay a potential buyout to get a coach from another school, making the change process cheaper. Not sure what happened at BC, JB seemed to be at the top of the list, based upon that it does seem like he is ready to get back in the game. I will not be surprised if he is the target at IU.
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Nobody can be expected to manage a game properly when his team has to wear striped warm-up clown pants. For this reason, I absolve Archie of the coaching sins he committed in Bloomington. Those pants have been a coach-killer since the turn of the century.
Oh man I'm so glad someone else agrees with me on this. I saw them come on the TV a few weeks back and honestly didn't realize they still wore those. It looks so awful. I thought in my head in a Sabastian Manescalco voice: "Aren't you embarrassed!?"
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Eric Musselman would be an interesting choice, and may be doable. He changes teams more often than underwear.
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Mason fires Dave Paulsen

So Fordham and GMU, 2 A10 Openings
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A friend in Arizona indicated that Sean Miller may not be far from joining Archie in the unemployment line.
Honestly, with all the crap that swirled around him, I don't know how Sean remained employed this long.
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Mason fires Dave Paulsen

So Fordham and GMU, 2 A10 Openings
That's a job I think with some potential
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Paulsen had four winning seasons in six and took a program in shambles and made them competitive. That's a tough one. The next guy will be a benefactor of Paulsen's R&D and thankful he put Mason in a much better place after six years. Mason has higher standards and I understand that, but I do wonder if Paulsen's existing yeoman-like work deserved a bit more latitude and another year or two to see if he was the guy to get to that next level.

Obviously the suits looked at it and decided that answer was no.
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I think you could carve out a nice niche getting players from the DMV transferring down. Wealth of talent on the I-95 corridor
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That's a job I think with some potential
Agree, did not realize they play in a 10k seat arena. 2nd biggest in A10?

Larranaga set the bar there, 14 years, 5 ncaat, 3 nit, 2 at large bids, 1 final four, all while in the CAA...he owns 5 of their 6 all-time ncaat bids...they might have been better off staying in the CAA, have not done much in the A10

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Agree, did not realize they play in a 10k seat arena. 2nd biggest in A10?

Larranaga set the bar there, 14 years, 5 ncaat, 3 nit, 2 at large bids, 1 final four, all while in the CAA...he owns 5 of their 6 all-time ncaat bids...they might have been better off staying in the CAA, have not done much in the A10
might be smaller now after renovations not sure but I think you're correct. I think they were getting decent attendance during the L era

So much talent in Maryland, Northern Virginia and D.C. there's a niche to be carved out there with guys from that area looking for playing time and getting closer to home on the transfer scene

Bad coaches in the A10. I think that's one of the jobs with real potential in the conference
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. . . Can't speak for AM, but given the outcome, I'll bet he would look at the UD job in an entirely different light. Money wise he is on easy street, wonder what he will do next?

Spend some time with his family? He can afford to take a year off from coaching.

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The Utah hc got fired, Larry Krystkowiak.

The UNLV hc, T.J. Otzelberger, took the Iowa State hc job.
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Spend some time with his family? He can afford to take a year off from coaching.
Truer words never spoken on this forum. 10 million and Morgan Miller to go home to? Last thing on my mind is basketball.
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You don't know Morgan very well do you?? Ask your Dayton CC friends what they'd rather come home to...Morgan or a rabid, starving pit bull. I know the answer.

FWIW, the uber competitive of this world don't care about money. The care about winning 24/7/365...the money is only a sign of respect but isn't their driving force. If money was their goal, LeBron, Zuckerberg, Coach K, Bon Jovi, Oprah, Ryan Seacrest, etc...would have retired years ago. But they didn't. And it's because they don't care about it...they just want to keep competing...keep winning...and never giving up.

So the last thing Archie is going to do is relax with his millions. He's not wired that way. He's already out searching for that next opportunity to compete. And he'll find somewhere to land, will start over, and keep competing until nobody wants him anymore. And then he'll find something else to compete in...

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Urban Meyer did not come back multiple times for money. Money is nice though. Despite health and other issues, he wants to stay in the game. That is what ambitious competitors do.

If your coach is not ambitious and wanting to win at the highest level, you have the wrong coach.
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I'll bet Tiger is thinking, I would give up all of this money to be able to compete at a high level again.
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I'll bet Tiger is thinking, I would give up all of this money to be able to compete at a high level again.
Doubt he would give back all the money.
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You don't know Morgan very well do you?? Ask your Dayton CC friends what they'd rather come home to...Morgan or a rabid, starving pit bull. I know the answer.

FWIW, the uber competitive of this world don't care about money. The care about winning 24/7/365...the money is only a sign of respect but isn't their driving force. If money was their goal, LeBron, Zuckerberg, Coach K, Bon Jovi, Oprah, Ryan Seacrest, etc...would have retired years ago. But they didn't. And it's because they don't care about it...they just want to keep competing...keep winning...and never giving up.

So the last thing Archie is going to do is relax with his millions. He's not wired that way. He's already out searching for that next opportunity to compete. And he'll find somewhere to land, will start over, and keep competing until nobody wants him anymore. And then he'll find something else to compete in...

I hate when people say '(S)He is rich, (s)he doesn't need to work' because not everyone works for money. And if you do, you have my royal sympathy.
I was obviously referring to her looks as I don't know her from Eve.

To your second point, boring people are bored. Bored people with a lot of money are really boring.
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To your second point, boring people are bored. Bored people with a lot of money are really boring.
I wish I were really bored right now.
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You don't know Morgan very well do you?? Ask your Dayton CC friends what they'd rather come home to...Morgan or a rabid, starving pit bull. I know the answer.

FWIW, the uber competitive of this world don't care about money. The care about winning 24/7/365...the money is only a sign of respect but isn't their driving force.
I agree with a lot of this. That said, it's easy to "do it for the right reasons" when you're already loaded. It's when you have next to nothing and struggle to keep the lights on that the real test of persistence and principle shines. That's because your devotion to your craft is hijacked by the loss of production in dealing with a second job and bill collectors.
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You don't know Morgan very well do you?? Ask your Dayton CC friends what they'd rather come home to...Morgan or a rabid, starving pit bull. I know the answer.

FWIW, the uber competitive of this world don't care about money. The care about winning 24/7/365...the money is only a sign of respect but isn't their driving force. If money was their goal, LeBron, Zuckerberg, Coach K, Bon Jovi, Oprah, Ryan Seacrest, etc...would have retired years ago. But they didn't. And it's because they don't care about it...they just want to keep competing...keep winning...and never giving up.

So the last thing Archie is going to do is relax with his millions. He's not wired that way. He's already out searching for that next opportunity to compete. And he'll find somewhere to land, will start over, and keep competing until nobody wants him anymore. And then he'll find something else to compete in...

I hate when people say '(S)He is rich, (s)he doesn't need to work' because not everyone works for money. And if you do, you have my royal sympathy.
You have a 12-year-old's understanding of psychology. This is embarrassingly simplistic.
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Simplistic, yet absolutely,100% undeniable. Good thing I understand my audience.
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Noticed that there were at least 3 players in the Transfer Portal from South Florida and the above would explain why.
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Two guys who are among the finalists for the Fordham job are Bryant head coach Jared Grasso and Villanova assistant Kyle Neptune, per sources.

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Two guys who are among the finalists for the Fordham job are Bryant head coach Jared Grasso and Villanova assistant Kyle Neptune, per sources.

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Shaheen Holloway, Pat Chambers and Steve Lavin among those who have also been in the mix
Why would anyone take this job? It has to be one of the worst jobs in all of college basketball given the resource disparity between Fordham and most of the A10 members.

I just don’t see why Fordham even wants to stay in the A10? It’s obvious they would have a much better chance of being competitive in the Patriot or Northeast conference and would have more natural rivalries.
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Originally Posted by springborofan View Post
Why would anyone take this job? It has to be one of the worst jobs in all of college basketball given the resource disparity between Fordham and most of the A10 members.

I just don’t see why Fordham even wants to stay in the A10? It’s obvious they would have a much better chance of being competitive in the Patriot or Northeast conference and would have more natural rivalries.
For a guy like Grasso, who had some success at Bryant the last two years, its a chance to coach in a better conference. The hope is to have one or two above average years from what Fordham usually has and someone bigger will come knocking. Find a modicum of short term success and you may get a quick offer elsewhere.

For more established coaches I have no idea why you would want that job.
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You have a 12-year-old's understanding of psychology. This is embarrassingly simplistic.
You have a lot of 12 year olds to apologize to.lol
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I just don’t see why Fordham even wants to stay in the A10?
Money? Prestige? Fordham is a wealthy school though I thought. It is a mystery.
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For a guy like Grasso, who had some success at Bryant the last two years, its a chance to coach in a better conference. The hope is to have one or two above average years from what Fordham usually has and someone bigger will come knocking. Find a modicum of short term success and you may get a quick offer elsewhere.

For more established coaches I have no idea why you would want that job.
You saw how that worked out for Pechora and Neubauer....both had similar earlier success and then went to Fordham to kill their coaching career. The country only needs so many insurance agents which is probably what Neubauer will do next.
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You saw how that worked out for Pechora and Neubauer....both had similar earlier success and then went to Fordham to kill their coaching career. The country only needs so many insurance agents which is probably what Neubauer will do next.
I don't disagree but we all know how most college coaches are wired and they all think they can win no matter where they go.

A good friend of mine thought the same thing when he left a D3 job where he was really successful to take the U Maine job, and four years and a 24-100 record later he realized that wasn't the case. Lucky for him he landed back on staff at Providence, which is where he was before he had left for the D3 job.
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great perks with Fordham. You could live in the Bronx or Mount Vernon
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Marquette and Wojciechowski part ways.

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Woj was one of the "hot prospects" a decade ago. He will be picked up by another non P-5 program.
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Woj was one of the "hot prospects" a decade ago. He will be picked up by another non P-5 program.
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Chris Beard isn't leaving Texas Tech for Indiana. He's got deep roots in Texas and has a competitive program in place in a juggernaut of a conference. This years squad isn't as good as the team that made the championship run but they appear to be a solid 2nd weekend team. Why would he vacate to go rebuild in a place he doesn't know much and with a program still thinking about the glory of an angry chair toss.

As for Archie and all the speculation about he and his wife. Who knows. He probably needs to go and work on a blue blood staff somewhere for a bit before coming back. Who knows what the problem is at Indiana, but if you can put a quality product on the floor in West Lafayette then you can do the same in Bloomington. Expectations there are sky high but it's been a long time to say the least.
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