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Old 07-21-2021, 05:28 PM
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Another conference shake up coming? Texas and Oklahoma lobby SEC for entry.

Say goodbye to the AAC if this happens. My thought is, Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU, and maybe BYU/Boise State go to the big 12. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-powers-texas-oklahoma-inquire-about-joining-sec-in-potentially-massive-shakeup-per-report/
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If Texas and Oklahoma go to the SEC, I would expect a move by the Big10. There will not be a unipolar football world. The Big10 has more power and reach than any of the other conferences. It's the only conference with the possibility of holding the SEC in check.
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If Texas and Oklahoma go to the SEC, I would expect a move by the Big10. There will not be a unipolar football world. The Big10 has more power and reach than any of the other conferences. It's the only conference with the possibility of holding the SEC in check.
Indeed as to recall the Longhorns deep desire to join the B1G well before the four letter network gave them their very lucrative deal. A shift is amongst, but it will not be what is currently being reported on the NCAAF level.
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Maybe a 6, 8, or 12 team college football playoff is on the horizon, hard to see that many good teams in only 1 conference, with only 1 from the SEC probably usually making the playoff. An expanded playoff would allay that concern.
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Sounds like a slow news day and a reporter wanted some clicks.

Texas A&M people came out real quick against this saying that ship has sailed and Texas A&M will remain the only Texas school in the SEC.

The SEC Commish didn't sound like he was too aware of it either.

I really don't think the SEC wants a battle with existing members right now.
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The SEC doesn't need Texas...Oklahoma, on the other hand, might have some leverage.

I'm sure UC is salivating at the opportunity to join the Big12.
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Texas A&M also admitted that they're not aware of any limitations regarding other Texas schools joining the conference. Everyone from the Commish to A&M to Texas and Oklahoma said what should have been anticipated. Whether fact or fiction, they would have said the same thing. It's tough to glean much from the comments. However, a shake up will happen. The Big12 is falling behind. What if the reporter was right about Texas and Oklahoma applying to join a conference, but they had the wrong conference? The comments would be the same. Expanded playoffs mean a much better chance to make the playoffs for 2nd, 3rd, and probably lower placed teams in the right conference. As the college football currently sits, the 4th place team in the SEC and the 3rd place team in the Big10 could be locks on an annual basis. That would put the Big12 in a tough situation.
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If this happens I do not think the Big 12 will expand, it will probably dissolve with the remaining schools scrambling to align themselves with another power conference.
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Columbus is closer to Austin than LA. That should not be lost when discussing the Big 12.
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If this happens I do not think the Big 12 will expand, it will probably dissolve with the remaining schools scrambling to align themselves with another power conference.
I agree. If they wanted to survive they would've added schools before. 16 was always the end game they have to know this.
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Say goodbye to the AAC if this happens. My thought is, Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU, and maybe BYU/Boise State go to the big 12. https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...up-per-report/
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I think Big 12 would likely raid the AAC to make a conference with two divisions that looked something like this:

SMU
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston
Oklahoma State

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis

So then at that point the AAC would be left with

Wichita State
UCF
Tulsa
South Florida
Temple
Tulane
East Carolina

The A10 is clearly a better conference than that.

Wichita State is the best of the bunch of those in terms of basketball (recently anyway). Would the A10 take them if it trickled down that far? Maybe the Big East throws them a life boat but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Why would the best teams in the AAC leave to join a sinking ship? That makes no sense whatsoever. Hanging around to pick off whatever is left makes much more sense for the AAC.
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If Dayton goes anywhere, the only option is the big east. I would almost dare to say if Dayton even wants to be a division one basketball school, thatís their only option. The big east may break off of the NCAA with the future super conferences and could be included in that conversation. All these other schools? No way.
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I think Big 12 would likely raid the AAC to make a conference with two divisions that looked something like this:
UConn maybe still in the mix, I don't think the penalty to leave the BE would stop them if the situation was right.
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UConn maybe still in the mix, I don't think the penalty to leave the BE would stop them if the situation was right.
Even a watered down Big 12 is going to want no part of UConn.
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Even a watered down Big 12 is going to want no part of UConn.
Not so sure, SMU, Houston, and Memphis are not powerhouses.
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Not so sure, SMU, Houston, and Memphis are not powerhouses.
Any remote possibility went out the door when UConn abandoned what ever football dreams they had left and went independent.
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Why would the best teams in the AAC leave to join a sinking ship? That makes no sense whatsoever. Hanging around to pick off whatever is left makes much more sense for the AAC.
If you're SMU, Houston, UC, West Virginia or Memphis in the AAC and you have the choice to be in a conference with:

A) TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State

or

B) Wichita State, UCF, Tulsa, South Florida, Temple, Tulane and East Carolina

I think they're all choosing option A.

That's why.

As for the remaining Big 12 schools, I don't think they really have any choices they can make.

So that's also why.
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A large factor is how the Pac12, Big 10 and ACC respond in kind.


For this exercise, lets say both Texas and OU go to the SEC. Would the B10 rekindle conversations they had previously (allegedly) with UNC, Virginia and/or GTech? to get to 16. Or would they look at pick up Kansas and someone else in the B12? Academics and research money I've read dwarf that by major college football. I know Kansas is an AAU member, not sure about anyone else in the B12. The Big 10 shares all of their research information w/ each other and that is immensely valuable to each school.


Does the Pac12 try and pick up a few schools to get to 16 as well? Kansas could be attractive, not so sure about the others, especially if they were trying to expand to 16 and need 4 more schools in total.


Would Notre Dame see the writing on the wall and commit to full conference membership in either the ACC or Big 10? Would the ACC be willing to take on West Virginia along with Notre Dame to get to 16? What about UC or Memphis or anyone else from the AAC?


May not be much left of the Big 12 if/when Texas and OU depart and the dust settles elsewhere. The ACC, B12, B10, SEC and P12 as currently compromised are made up of 64 football playing schools. Throw in Notre Dame plus a few schools in the AAC that might be attractive to the ACC or B10 and that leaves somewhere around 1-3 current B12 schools that have to be wetting the bed at the moment. How comfortable do you think the ADs at Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, TT and TCU are sleeping right now?


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As far as UD is concerned, I do think its inevitable that the power schools eventually break away for football. The landscape is just so much different in football at Ohio State than it is at Miami or other MAC schools when compared to basketball and even more so when compared to the non revenue sports. If they take all their sports with them and leave the NCAA entirely, I still feel like there is a place at the table for 2-3 solid basketball and other non revenue sport conferences to hang with the "power 5". BIG schools will want those non conference home dates for basketball and soccer still.


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As far as UD is concerned, I do think its inevitable that the power schools eventually break away for football. The landscape is just so much different in football at Ohio State than it is at Miami or other MAC schools when compared to basketball and even more so when compared to the non revenue sports. If they take all their sports with them and leave the NCAA entirely, I still feel like there is a place at the table for 2-3 solid basketball and other non revenue sport conferences to hang with the "power 5". BIG schools will want those non conference home dates for basketball and soccer still.


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Hereís the problem. The NFL has tacitly admitted college football is their minor-league. Name, image, and likeness basically cement this. Adam silver hates college basketball. College basketball does not have the same kind of support professionally. Therefore, I think even though they will not admit it, your power fives will absolutely sacrifice college basketball a.k.a. the NCAA tournaments, if that means they control all aspects of eligibility for their football cash cows.
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A large factor is how the Pac12, Big 10 and ACC respond in kind.


For this exercise, lets say both Texas and OU go to the SEC. Would the B10 rekindle conversations they had previously (allegedly) with UNC, Virginia and/or GTech? to get to 16. Or would they look at pick up Kansas and someone else in the B12? Kansas would be a great basketball get, and they would be no threat to Ohio State football wise, so I think Ohio State would support it, meaning, the rest of the Big Ten would support it.
Academics and research money I've read dwarf that by major college football. I know Kansas is an AAU member, not sure about anyone else in the B12. The Big 10 shares all of their research information w/ each other and that is immensely valuable to each school.


Does the Pac12 try and pick up a few schools to get to 16 as well? Kansas could be attractive, not so sure about the others, especially if they were trying to expand to 16 and need 4 more schools in total.
Donít forget about Boise State and BYU. They would fit the Pac 12 nicely, and would provide Utah, and Colorado non-California opponents.

Would Notre Dame see the writing on the wall and commit to full conference membership in either the ACC or Big 10?
I believe The ACC buyout is so massive that Notre Dame would just have to go to the ACC.
Would the ACC be willing to take on West Virginia along with Notre Dame to get to 16? What about UC or Memphis or anyone else from the AAC?


May not be much left of the Big 12 if/when Texas and OU depart and the dust settles elsewhere. The ACC, B12, B10, SEC and P12 as currently compromised are made up of 64 football playing schools. Throw in Notre Dame plus a few schools in the AAC that might be attractive to the ACC or B10 and that leaves somewhere around 1-3 current B12 schools that have to be wetting the bed at the moment. How comfortable do you think the ADs at Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, TT and TCU are sleeping right now?


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If you're SMU, Houston, UC, West Virginia or Memphis in the AAC and you have the choice to be in a conference with:

A) TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State

or

B) Wichita State, UCF, Tulsa, South Florida, Temple, Tulane and East Carolina

I think they're all choosing option A.

That's why.

As for the remaining Big 12 schools, I don't think they really have any choices they can make.

So that's also why.
No, no. You misunderstood me. I'm talking about after the other conferences join in on the raiding and the only schools left are the ones nobody in the new "Power 4" wanted.

Scroll up to my other post for more context. The Big 12 is dead if this happens.
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A large factor is how the Pac12, Big 10 and ACC respond in kind.


For this exercise, lets say both Texas and OU go to the SEC. Would the B10 rekindle conversations they had previously (allegedly) with UNC, Virginia and/or GTech? to get to 16. Or would they look at pick up Kansas and someone else in the B12? Academics and research money I've read dwarf that by major college football. I know Kansas is an AAU member, not sure about anyone else in the B12. The Big 10 shares all of their research information w/ each other and that is immensely valuable to each school.


Does the Pac12 try and pick up a few schools to get to 16 as well? Kansas could be attractive, not so sure about the others, especially if they were trying to expand to 16 and need 4 more schools in total.


Would Notre Dame see the writing on the wall and commit to full conference membership in either the ACC or Big 10? Would the ACC be willing to take on West Virginia along with Notre Dame to get to 16? What about UC or Memphis or anyone else from the AAC?


May not be much left of the Big 12 if/when Texas and OU depart and the dust settles elsewhere. The ACC, B12, B10, SEC and P12 as currently compromised are made up of 64 football playing schools. Throw in Notre Dame plus a few schools in the AAC that might be attractive to the ACC or B10 and that leaves somewhere around 1-3 current B12 schools that have to be wetting the bed at the moment. How comfortable do you think the ADs at Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, TT and TCU are sleeping right now?


Times....they are a changing.
I was pondering the shifts myself earlier today. There currently are 64 teams in the Power 5. If it goes to a Power 4 of 16 teams each it is still 64. Easy Peasy, right? No, there are still problems with this.

1) ND may decide itís time to join a conference. Now there are 65 schools. In theory, one school could be left without a chair when the music stops. My gut tells me WVU only because I donít think the ACC or Big 10 are interested and the SEC would be at 16

2) If the Big 12 implodes there is a geographic misalignment. Only one conference is primarily West of the Mississippi. I think the 3 other Texas schools would band together and go to the PAC12. That leaves 5 schools; 4 West of the Mississippi (Kansas, K St., IA St. and OK St.) fighting it out for one last spot in the PAC12, and WVU. How does the ACC absorb one or two schools so far West? Does the Big 10 want Kansas?

3) Politics. Just like X doesnít want UD in the Big East, maybe Iowa doesnít want IA St. in the Big 10? Maybe Kansas state politics plays a role in forcing Kansas and K St. to be a package deal similar to VA Tech backing into the ACC.

It would be a cut throat environment among 4 schools (K, KST, OKST, AND IAST) that have been aligned in the same conference since,I think, the old Big 8 days (not sure if OKST was in Big 8 or SWC). Even getting into one of the Big 4 isnít ideal if it means all your conference foes reside in the ACC. Brutal for these schools.

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Any remote possibility went out the door when UConn abandoned what ever football dreams they had left and went independent.
I do not think it makes any difference that UConn is a football independent. They didn't really abandon football, the AAC kicked them out with the BE move. Their football team is still viable, they are comparable to SMU, Houston, and Memphis.

Their schedule is respectable, they play Purdue in Connecticut.

We need them to get in another league in order to open up a BE spot. UConn to the Big 12 becomes more viable with WVU and/or Cincinnati in the Big 12. The ACC is always an option also.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...hedule/_/id/41:

2021 UConn football schedule:


@Fresno State
vs Holy Cross
vs Purdue
@Army
vs Wyoming
@Vanderbilt
@UMass
vs Yale
vs Middle Tennessee
@Clemson
@UCF
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Looks like Big 12 has a few plans in place to

A) force Texas and OU to stay (I read at least 76 million exit fee each, all TV rights from football and basketball go to Big 12 through end of 2025 seasons and an 18 month required notice of leaving)

B) looking at adding schools to go to 10 or 12 -- Most think BYU, Boise St, Cincy and Memphis or UCF.

C) Sounds like government in a few states might be getting into this to stop it from happening.

Honestly this looks to be a bad move for both but more so for Texas. They are not great right now and they look like they would be the 7-8th best team in the SEC. Is that really a good move??? Both Oklahoma and Texas have much better playoff chances (more money!!!) in the Big 12 then in the SEC. I just don't get it in the terms of winning ang having a playoff chance. TV money is going to be 16 shares after 2026 so it won't move the needle that much. I guess if lure of money from certain match-ups is the most important thing they should go for it. I can't wait to see Alabama, Auburn, Florida and UGA beat up on Texas each year!!
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I do not think it makes any difference that UConn is a football independent. They didn't really abandon football, the AAC kicked them out with the BE move. Their football team is still viable, they are comparable to SMU, Houston, and Memphis.

Their schedule is respectable, they play Purdue in Connecticut.

We need them to get in another league in order to open up a BE spot. UConn to the Big 12 becomes more viable with WVU and/or Cincinnati in the Big 12. The ACC is always an option also.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...hedule/_/id/41:

2021 UConn football schedule:


@Fresno State
vs Holy Cross
vs Purdue
@Army
vs Wyoming
@Vanderbilt
@UMass
vs Yale
vs Middle Tennessee
@Clemson
@UCF
vs Houston
We all know you like to look at schedules and base that as some indicator of strength. That said, you are smoking crack if you think UConn football is comparable to Memphis in football. UConn sucks REALLY BAD in football and is bleeding money. And, AAC didnít kick out UConn. They left on their own to get to the Big East. It was the right choice for them to recognize they are a basketball school.
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Am I the only one completely baffled that the B12 did not know this would eventually happen? Why are they waiting until now to address this?

They thought because an exception was made to allow them a conference title game with only 10 teams they were safe forever?

Maybe I'm being harsh when I say they are dead but if they want to survive they should act now. I would invite SMU, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU immediately as those are pretty obvious choices. Then figure out the rest later when the dust settles. Maybe the P12 and B1G won't swoop in right away and there will be time to brace for next round.

One of the AAC/B12 is not surviving this. I can't decide which one.
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We all know you like to look at schedules and base that as some indicator of strength. That said, you are smoking crack if you think UConn football is comparable to Memphis in football. UConn sucks REALLY BAD in football and is bleeding money. And, AAC didnít kick out UConn. They left on their own to get to the Big East. It was the right choice for them to recognize they are a basketball school.
UConn beat Memphis 45-10 in 2013.
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Am I the only one completely baffled that the B12 did not know this would eventually happen? Why are they waiting until now to address this?

They thought because an exception was made to allow them a conference title game with only 10 teams they were safe forever?

Maybe I'm being harsh when I say they are dead but if they want to survive they should act now. I would invite SMU, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU immediately as those are pretty obvious choices. Then figure out the rest later when the dust settles. Maybe the P12 and B1G won't swoop in right away and there will be time to brace for next round.

One of the AAC/B12 is not surviving this. I can't decide which one.
I think Memphis would get the nod over BYU but agree with the other choices if the Big 12 were to raid the AAC. And thatís what I thought would happen.

But rumors are swirling that the Big 12 schools are working on exit strategies and Iím really starting to have my doubts that the Big 12 survives this.

For example the TCU rivals site reporter has reported that TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech have already reached out to the PAC-12. One source told him ďThe Big 12 is going to blow up manĒ

So I donít know. Maybe itís just a race to 16 members with PAC 12 taking those 3 and Ok State or BYU/Boise to get to 16. ACC takes West Virginia to get to 16 (counting Notre Dame).

And then itís the AAC that survives this and can take on what remains of the Big 12 to get themselves to 16 ó Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State. For Kansas where basketball drives the bus, I donít think thatís the end of the world to be in a conference with Temple, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Wichita State, UCONN. Those are some pretty good basketball schools.
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And then itís the AAC that survives this and can take on what remains of the Big 12 to get themselves to 16 ó Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State. For Kansas where basketball drives the bus, I donít think thatís the end of the world to be in a conference with Temple, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Wichita State, UCONN. Those are some pretty good basketball schools.
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Whatever happens, it is VERY possible that there are some "leftovers" available for the picking. I sure hope the A10 is being proactive. As others have mentioned, going independent in football is really not a big deal.
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Looks like Big 12 has a few plans in place to

A) force Texas and OU to stay (I read at least 76 million exit fee each, all TV rights from football and basketball go to Big 12 through end of 2025 seasons and an 18 month required notice of leaving)

B) looking at adding schools to go to 10 or 12 -- Most think BYU, Boise St, Cincy and Memphis or UCF.

C) Sounds like government in a few states might be getting into this to stop it from happening.

Honestly this looks to be a bad move for both but more so for Texas. They are not great right now and they look like they would be the 7-8th best team in the SEC. Is that really a good move??? Both Oklahoma and Texas have much better playoff chances (more money!!!) in the Big 12 then in the SEC. I just don't get it in the terms of winning ang having a playoff chance. TV money is going to be 16 shares after 2026 so it won't move the needle that much. I guess if lure of money from certain match-ups is the most important thing they should go for it. I can't wait to see Alabama, Auburn, Florida and UGA beat up on Texas each year!!



Do individual teams make much money off playoff bids? Isn' that money shared? I know in the past, if you went to a "lesser bowl" out of the Big 10, you were generally paying money for the privileged to go play the liberty bowl, or sun bowl or whatever other mid-week bowl week game you ended up in after finishing 7-5. You'd split all revenue from the bowls with the league, but you were forced to guarantee a certain number of tickets when you went, and people were not showing up in droves from East Lansing to attend a game in El Paso.


I assume the playoffs work in similar fashion, the exception being that selling tickets to someone from East Lansing to attend the Rose, Fiesta, Cotton or Orange Bowl while knowing their team was a top 4 team wasn't that difficult. So while maybe you generate a little bit of money off the playoffs (not including the goodwill that is generated by being successful) the real money is in the TV package.


It has been widely reported that ESPN is struggling. Additionally, ESPN owned Longhorn Network is also struggling, the TV money for the next B12 deal may not be all that great. SEC and B10 already make droves more than the B12, that gap is going to widen when the next round of negotiations begin. Texas and OU likely stand to make much more money off TV in either of those conferences than they do standing pat.


Anyhoo, its being reported that this could be finalized w/n the next week. Where things go from here....who knows.
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UConn beat Memphis 45-10 in 2013.
Seriously? You are going to use a score from eight years ago to buttress your argument.

Hereís a better response: ďWow, I didnít realize UConn had won less than 10 games in the past 4 seasons they played and lost almost all of their AAC gamesĒ

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Dennis Dodd (cbs sports) is reporting that Texas and OU are now expected to declare their intentions to leave the B12 within the next 24-48 hours with the SEC as their landing spot.



a) I feel like the B10 missed a huge opportunity here, Kevin Warren is the worst
b) I hope this bodes well for UD athletics in the long run. In and of itself, it means very little to UD, but could be the next impetus towards the football schools leaving the NCAA and UD and other noon scholarship or group of 5 schools left holding the bag of what remains.
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Originally Posted by springborofan View Post
We all know you like to look at schedules and base that as some indicator of strength. That said, you are smoking crack if you think UConn football is comparable to Memphis in football. UConn sucks REALLY BAD in football and is bleeding money. And, AAC didn’t kick out UConn. They left on their own to get to the Big East. It was the right choice for them to recognize they are a basketball school.
UConn is committed to football, for sure. But there was very little fan interest either in AAC FB or even in AAC BB.

The decision to join the BE was a big one for UConn. BUT, the Big East knew/thought full well that UConn would jump to the ACC in a heart beat if the opportunity arose. That being the case the Big East imposed severe draconian financial penalties on UConn if they choose to leave the BE for another conference.

Having said that, the TV money in a Power 5 conferences is so great compared to either the AAC deal or independent status that UConn may deal easily with the penalties imposed by the BE agreement. ( Their reputation would take a big hit though.)

There's more to it than that. UConn BB fans really want to be in the BE; and UConn was able to create a very interesting FB schedule for its first year as an independent, unfortunately washed out by Covid.

UConn had/has no trouble scheduling home and home games with the bottom half of Power 5 conference schools, as well as locally very interesting games with schools like nearby Army and UMass which UConn will play annually....and with former BB local rivals like BC, Syracuse et al. Further, and get this, Top-tier Power 5 schools will pay UConn $2+ million for one-way games, e.g., Clemson this season, tOSU, etc.

Most important, UConn has to return to playing interesting, competitive football no matter who they play. For ten years they did that and attracted 35,000+ fans regularly, top bowl games, Top 25 rankings, and could play with anyone. But in recent years its been a disaster with two bad head coaching hires.

There may be hope. UConn's current recruiting class is ranked #50 out of ~ 130 BCS schools....not bad They have got to start playing good FB...after which the conference/independent issue will take care of itself. We'll soon see. Coach Edsall is claiming his team is going to be good and benefitted from a year off. He'd better be right. (I hate to think about the Clemson game.)

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If this happens I do not think the Big 12 will expand, it will probably dissolve with the remaining schools scrambling to align themselves with another power conference.
I'll say it again...the Big 12 will collapse if Texas and Oklahoma leave.
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I'll say it again...the Big 12 will collapse if Texas and Oklahoma leave.
Why would Texas want to give up being the gigantic fish (the whale) in a relatively small pond to become a average-size fish in a big pond? Texas calls the shots in the Big 12, has its own TV deal, completely dominates the Big 12...that why A&M bailed.

Texas A&M would have conniptions if Texas were to join the SEC. Highly probable it's just a rumor.
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Why would Texas want to give up being the gigantic fish (the whale) in a relatively small pond to become a average-size fish in a big pond? Texas calls the shots in the Big 12, has its own TV deal, completely dominates the Big 12...that why A&M bailed.

Texas A&M would have conniptions if Texas were to join the SEC. Highly probable it's just a rumor.
Negative. This is happening. Only Texas A&M and Missouri will have beef, not enough to stop it. Big 10 is meeting with Kansas and Iowa State.

Texas not only helped destroy the Big 12, it actively prevented it from surviving and is now going to be the big winner while the rest of the peons scramble. Sad, but a solid reason to throw the horns down any chance one gets.
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It’s to bad Dayton, VCU, and couple others couldn’t throw their weight around and force the A10 to drop a few people like texas has done to the B12
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Let's suppose this plays out with the SEC and Big Ten both growing to become mega-Power 5 conferences. Actually it would be two mega-Power 4 and two medium Power-4 conferences, The PAC 12 is sort of out of it because of geography.

The ACC would seem to be the squeezed conference....maybe forced to take in some AAC schools.

Scheduling is difficult for everyone it seems. I wonder if there's a place for a hybrid, sort of like ND's deal with ACC...ND is in for all sports except FB, but has an agreement to play six (I think) ACC Fb games each year.

Could UConn have a shot at a similar arrangement, e.g., Big East for all sports except FB, with UConn having an arrangement to play a certain specific number of ACC FB games each year, perhaps 3, 4, 5 or whatever? That would significantly simplify scheduling for both UConn and ACC schools. And the top ACC schools wouldn't have to pay UConn millions for one-way games.

If this plays out the ACC will be in a squeeze....a good time for FB independent UConn to try to work out something that's beneficial for everyone. (The ACC started the conference poaching; I'd love to see the ACC experience some pain and need help from others.)
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I agree. If they wanted to survive they would've added schools before. 16 was always the end game they have to know this.
I agree with this. The Big 12 should have been going hard to add members long before now...and they really didnít do anything. Not sure why, but you have to wonder if the ship has sailed.
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UConn beat Memphis 45-10 in 2013.
Last seven years: Uconn- 20 and 65, all losing seasons,
Memphis- 65 and30, one losing season, and that was 7years
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If that happens, I could see the B1G go after FSU or Miami, along with Baylor or Texas Tech to get a foothold in SEC territory.
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Negative. This is happening. Only Texas A&M and Missouri will have beef, not enough to stop it. Big 10 is meeting with Kansas and Iowa State.

Texas not only helped destroy the Big 12, it actively prevented it from surviving and is now going to be the big winner while the rest of the peons scramble. Sad, but a solid reason to throw the horns down any chance one gets.

If B1G is meeting with Kansas & Iowa State, they obviously plan to cede football primacy to the SEC once and for all.


As I mentioned in the previous post, the play should be for a foothold in the SEC's backyard--FSU or Miami in Florida; Baylor or Texas Tech in Texas.
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It’s to bad Dayton, VCU, and couple others couldn’t throw their weight around and force the A10 to drop a few people like texas has done to the B12
Iinm, Texas has never been able to force anybody out, although it sounds like Texas played a big role in the dissolution of the SWC and creation of the Big 12.
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Seriously? You are going to use a score from eight years ago to buttress your argument.

Here’s a better response: “Wow, I didn’t realize UConn had won less than 10 games in the past 4 seasons they played and lost almost all of their AAC games”

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...cut/index.html
Do you have the average rpi/Sagarin/Massey rating and/or the # of bowl games Memphis and UConn have been to since UConn football joined d1 in 2000? Let's introduce some quantitative data into this and not rely on qualitative/opinion data.

I will agree that from 2000-2021 Memphis has likely been better than UConn, but Memphis is no football powerhouse.

Generally speaking, when I think about Memphis football and UConn football, I do not see a huge difference, they are comparable. Perhaps I am way off on that.

UConn football had a decent run a while back, they were decent for maybe 3? or 4? years.

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We all know you like to look at schedules and base that as some indicator of strength. That said, you are smoking crack if you think UConn football is comparable to Memphis in football. UConn sucks REALLY BAD in football and is bleeding money. And, AAC didn’t kick out UConn. They left on their own to get to the Big East. It was the right choice for them to recognize they are a basketball school.
A bunch of d1 football schools are bleeding $, UConn is not an exception there.

The whole d1 football industry makes little sense imo, they just pour $ into a bottomless $ pit, few teams are actually in the black iinm. There needs to be a major contraction.

Why do so many schools continue running money-losing programs? Alumni pride?

With ever-increasing tuition increases subsidizing these programs along with possible future enrollment shrinking as students revolt against the high tuition prices, perhaps we see some contraction as the tuition money train possibly dries up.

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I agree with this. The Big 12 should have been going hard to add members long before now...and they really didnít do anything. Not sure why, but you have to wonder if the ship has sailed.
There was nobody really to add, IMO BYU and Boise were the best choices, and those 2 just didn't bring enough juice. The Big 12 iinm looked at expansion, and it did not make financial sense to expand, expansion was not going to bring in enough additional $ to offset having 2 more mouths to feed.
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The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added West Virginia. Why they didn't is anybody's guess. They are run by idiots?
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Itís to bad Dayton, VCU, and couple others couldnít throw their weight around and force the A10 to drop a few people like texas has done to the B12
TX Flyer: There is too much love for the East Coast universities.
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There was nobody really to add
This is nonsense.

Boise, BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Houston, SDSU, SMU.

Why just add West Virginia and TCU and rest on your laurels? Every school I just listed is at least as good if not better than those two and half the Big 12 in a given year.

They gave up. Decided not to cut their shares anymore while it lasted. They knew this would happen and let it.
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Generally speaking, when I think about Memphis football and UConn football, I do not see a huge difference, they are comparable. Perhaps I am way off on that.

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You are. In modern times they couldn't be further apart. Memphis is a 10-win team almost every year and competes for an AAC title almost every year. UConn is awful. They didn't even play last year...

Imagine UCF joined the A10 for all sports but football. Do you think the American would kick them out? No! They kicked UConn to the curb LOL see ya.

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TX Flyer: There is too much love for the East Coast universities.
With very rare exception conferences don't drop members. The Power 5 conferences have about 65 members...and easily a dozen are legacy schools that would have no chance of admission today. The top teams in each conference murder the bottom feeders...indeed, they usually dispatch the mid-pack programs with ease.

When Big East FB was flying high before the conference wars Temple was dropped, with the thinking that TU was "holding the conference back". Vey rare, indeed.

Now the fact is that a few schools do adversely affect the A10. Why they can't be leaned on I don't understand. There is nothing you can do to "force" member to draw 10,000 fans, especially in metro areas where competition is very strong. But whether the draw is 2000 or 5000, when a member's facilities are more like a high school's the member is telling the others that it just doesn't care and is confident that it will retain its place in conference no matter what.

Consider St. Joes, a school with an outstanding BB heritage playing in a market with intense competition for fan attention. SJU will never draw an average of 8000 fans, lets say. But in recent years SJU has invested to bring its facilities up to a more than respectable level. That investment sends an unmistakable signal that SJU's goal is to excel at its flagship sport targeting the top tier of the A10. That doesn't guarantee success but it's a clear demonstration of commitment. Some A10 schools demonstrate just the opposite....and are tolerated nonetheless. Why, exactly? What is their value to the Conference?
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10. That doesn't guarantee success but it's a clear demonstration of commitment. Some A10 schools demonstrate just the opposite....and are tolerated nonetheless. Why, exactly? What is their value to the Conference?
Not sure, but I'm guessing some schools feel safer having a Fordham protecting them from being the number one bottom feeder. I'm sure there's a "Do unto others..." philosophy involved too. There's a fine line and we found that out back in the 90s when we said "cya" to the MCC and went to the Great Midwest only to have that conference disband and leave the Flyers high and dry.

Think how it would feel like Karma if we pushed for the ousting of Fordham and LaSalle and in the future went to the Big East and had teams pointing the finger at us.

I personally don't think those teams you are referring to do that much damage to the conference, unless they beat your team, but that's your fault not theirs.
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Both Oklahoma and Texas have much better playoff chances (more money!!!) in the Big 12 then in the SEC. I just don't get it in the terms of winning ang having a playoff chance.
Agree, your post seems obviously true, none of this makes any sense to me, there has to be more to this than has been revealed so far.

An expanded playoff seems like the obvious missing link.
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Not sure UT and OU to the SEC helps from a football playoff route unless they are confident or have inside intel that the playoff is indeed going to expand. With just four teams in the playoff, you arent gonna get 2-3 teams out of the SEC every year. You still have to leapfrog Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia every year. And then always stay ahead of A&M and Auburn.

The money may be good. It may help the Olympic sports. But I think the move must be contingent on an assurance the CFP is going to make room for multiple SEC teams on an annual basis. It will have to, because a 1-loss team from the Big10, Clemson, or Notre Dame is always going to get extremely fair measure, nevermind the random 1-loss Pac-12 team w/a strong resume'.
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Below article says these discussions have been happening for more than 6 months, hard to believe that none of this was leaked, but everybody seems to have been caught by surprise. The non-TX/non-OK Big12 people seemed completely in the dark.

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The Austin American-Statesman reported Friday that a Big 12 source believed talks between the SEC and the two schools had been ongoing for more than six months...
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Something not mentioned in all of this back and forth.

The Big 10 has very strict accredition standards in order to be offered as a member. The University has to be AAU accredited at the time of there offer.

Note: PAC12 also has this but might not be as strict.

So of the current Big 12 schools only KU and Iowa State are AAU schools. Which is why all of a sudden that is who the Big 10 is looking at.

Texas and OU are not hence no invite in the past.

Univ. of Neb is the only current Big 10 school without the active AAU standard however they were accredited in 2010 when accepted. Also why there is so much current drama with the Huskers and Big 10.

Baylor, TT, OSU, K State, TCU and WV will all be left without a spot and based on the past way conferences handled expansion, That leaves the AAC or ACC as only current options that would take them if the Big 12 goes away. Which is why I think the Big 12 stays with KU and Iowa State. Fences are mended with Houston and SMU from the Big 8 days to get back to 10 teams. If they want 12 teams UC and UCF will be the other 2 in my opinion. WV is happy that UC is there as a rival. The UCF is the only way to at least get into deep SEC land for some players.
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Do you have the average rpi/Sagarin/Massey rating and/or the # of bowl games Memphis and UConn have been to since UConn football joined d1 in 2000? Let's introduce some quantitative data into this and not rely on qualitative/opinion data.

I will agree that from 2000-2021 Memphis has likely been better than UConn, but Memphis is no football powerhouse.

Generally speaking, when I think about Memphis football and UConn football, I do not see a huge difference, they are comparable. Perhaps I am way off on that.

UConn football had a decent run a while back, they were decent for maybe 3? or 4? years.
It all depends on how far back you go. UConn had a good run in the 2000-2010 era (give or take). I believe Edsall was the coach then and is now back but they have REALLY SUCKED over the past 5-7 years, have poor attendance, bleeding $ and are playing independent. Of those 20 wins, I bet half are against 1AA teams and very few against quality opponents. Itís not worth spending a lot of time on it. They are not attractive to any major football conference (sorry UAC) and they are not leaving the Big East. That was my main point. Discussing whether Memphis or UConn is better (and over what time period)really doesnít interest me.
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Something not mentioned in all of this back and forth.

The Big 10 has very strict accredition standards in order to be offered as a member. The University has to be AAU accredited at the time of there offer.

Note: PAC12 also has this but might not be as strict.

So of the current Big 12 schools only KU and Iowa State are AAU schools. Which is why all of a sudden that is who the Big 10 is looking at.

Texas and OU are not hence no invite in the past.

Univ. of Neb is the only current Big 10 school without the active AAU standard however they were accredited in 2010 when accepted. Also why there is so much current drama with the Huskers and Big 10.

Baylor, TT, OSU, K State, TCU and WV will all be left without a spot and based on the past way conferences handled expansion, That leaves the AAC or ACC as only current options that would take them if the Big 12 goes away. Which is why I think the Big 12 stays with KU and Iowa State. Fences are mended with Houston and SMU from the Big 8 days to get back to 10 teams. If they want 12 teams UC and UCF will be the other 2 in my opinion. WV is happy that UC is there as a rival. The UCF is the only way to at least get into deep SEC land for some players.
Interesting perspective. I could see this as a real scenario if the Big 12 doesnít fold. It really comes down to whether the Texas schools go to PAC 12. I wonder if Memphis is a better choice than UCF though from a geographic perspective?
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Not sure UT and OU to the SEC helps from a football playoff route unless they are confident or have inside intel that the playoff is indeed going to expand.

But I think the move must be contingent on an assurance the CFP is going to make room for multiple SEC teams on an annual basis.
If they expand, then I hope they give the Group of 5(AAC, CUSA, MAC, Sunbelt, and Mountain West and maybe the Independents)at least one automatic bid to the playoff, the Cinderella factor makes things much more interesting IMO.

Boise and BYU finally get a chance in that scenario.

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After reading commentary on line through various sources (ESPN and the like) This UT and OU transfer to a new conference is likely to happen. These 2 schools have been in secret talks with the SEC for months!!!

Sounds serious to me and not just a trial balloon.

Also some commentary say that this will eventually lead the Power conferences (however many are left and in what size and configuration) will totally break college FB away from the NCAA.

Also, noted on ESPN this goldmine "... Texas and ESPN announced plans for the Longhorn Network, which pays UT $300 million over 20 years." That's guaranteed money every year (which started sometime back).

College Sports IS BIG BUSINESS with mucho denaro. And everyone is so use to getting what they need and want, there is no stopping it now.

And another ... just got the NIL started and already there's talk about making changes to be equitable and fair and one with some thoughts on the subject ...

Coach Day of tOSU "... Day thinks one approach would be for schools to create agreements with a group of local businesses that would produce a pool of revenue that could be divided among the players. The NCAA would have to allow schools to be more active in creating such deals, or in having their logos and markings used.

"Say they put $3 million into an account, and then you could work with Ohio State, and they split that money to everybody, so that the quarterback isn't the only one," Day said."

And that's just for starters ... I can see tOSU having business put in $8-10 mil in short order. And guess who gets a cut of the action ... you know for admin and such?
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It all depends on how far back you go. UConn had a good run in the 2000-2010 era (give or take). I believe Edsall was the coach then and is now back but they have REALLY SUCKED over the past 5-7 years, have poor attendance, bleeding $ and are playing independent. Of those 20 wins, I bet half are against 1AA teams and very few against quality opponents. Itís not worth spending a lot of time on it. They are not attractive to any major football conference (sorry UAC) and they are not leaving the Big East. That was my main point. Discussing whether Memphis or UConn is better (and over what time period)really doesnít interest me.
Right springboro. The UConn saga clearly demonstrates the vital importance of good coaching hires, In that 2000-2010 era of UConn FBS FB the team, was ranked occasionally, won bowl games, one year tied with USC as having the most players selected in the NFL draft, filled its stadium. Two bad HC hires did them in. Another factor: New England doesn't care about football. Fans will support a winning UConn team...but only a winning team. Actually, that pretty much goes for BB as well.

UConn can be successful as an independent in FB playing schools of local interest and making money on one-way buy games. But even then, the team must be much better, play interesting football. Can that happen? Still to be determined.

By the way, in all sports other than FB UConn has been very successful winning 20-25 national championships....never having lost a national championship game. And after significant investment all athletic facilities are first rate.
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If they expand, then I hope they give the Group of 5(AAC, CUSA, MAC, Sunbelt, and Mountain West and maybe the Independents)at least one automatic bid to the playoff, the Cinderella factor makes things much more interesting IMO.

Boise and BYU finally get a chance in that scenario.
The playoff is going to expand and it sounds like it is going to be more than 8 for sure (probably 12). I personally think 8 is ideal, but with 12 you can not only give an AQ to the "Group of 5" but you can also do several at-large bids.

Honestly, if you're going to 12 you might as well go to 16. Then you could give an AQ to every conference winner (provided they met some minimum standard) and then still do several at-larges.
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And another ... just got the NIL started and already there's talk about making changes to be equitable and fair and one with some thoughts on the subject ...

Coach Day of tOSU "... Day thinks one approach would be for schools to create agreements with a group of local businesses that would produce a pool of revenue that could be divided among the players. The NCAA would have to allow schools to be more active in creating such deals, or in having their logos and markings used.

"Say they put $3 million into an account, and then you could work with Ohio State, and they split that money to everybody, so that the quarterback isn't the only one," Day said."

And that's just for starters ... I can see tOSU having business put in $8-10 mil in short order. And guess who gets a cut of the action ... you know for admin and such?
Something needs to happen... in a few years I can see the young stud athletes dictate to their college teams which positions are acceptable to them... certainly not tight end or offensive line... "coach I need to be an end rusher so I can get my sacks and $$."
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The playoff is going to expand and it sounds like it is going to be more than 8 for sure (probably 12). I personally think 8 is ideal, but with 12 you can not only give an AQ to the "Group of 5" but you can also do several at-large bids.

Honestly, if you're going to 12 you might as well go to 16. Then you could give an AQ to every conference winner (provided they met some minimum standard) and then still do several at-larges.
I thought the university presidents had some say in all of this, and they were opposed to making the season longer/adding additional games? What happened there? The schools need more revenue?

And what about all of the bowl games? They were opposed to a playoff for a long time. I suppose they can just attach a bowl name to each playoff game. The playoff has been around for several years now, I suppose that ship has sailed.

There was very firece resistance to any sort of playoff for as long as d1 college football has existed/80+? years, the 4 team playoff was needed to solve the problem of there being more than 2 clear, legit national title game qualifiers, which was sometimes the case, I guess it's a new day now.

I am just very surprised that all of a sudden everybody is all in with a full blown playoff now after many decades of resistance.

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I thought the university presidents had some say in all of this, and they were opposed to making the season longer/adding additional games? What happened there? The schools need more revenue?

And what about all of the bowl games? They were opposed to a playoff for a long time. I suppose they can just attach a bowl name to each playoff game. The playoff has been around for several years now, I suppose that ship has sailed.

There was very firece resistance to any sort of playoff for as long as d1 college football has existed/80+? years, the 4 team playoff was needed to solve the problem of there being more than 2 clear, legit national title game qualifiers, which was sometimes the case, I guess it's a new day now.

I am just very surprised that all of a sudden everybody is all in with a full blown playoff now after many decades of resistance.

They*were*opposed to the season being longer until this little annoying thing coronavirus blue huge holes in their athletic budgets, rescheduled a season to have the conference championship games played on the Saturday before Christmas, you know, that sacred time when people are taking exams?, Among other things. basically, it made people admit all the platitudes about academics were a big lie. So now that the omission is out of the bag, might as well profit from that omission.
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Oklahoma & Texas make it official: theyíre leaving conference & expected to apply for SEC membership per Brett McMurphy.
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It really comes down to whether the Texas schools go to PAC 12.
This. Everything hinges on this now. Everything.

If the Pac 12 wants to add any combo of Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU and Oklahoma State, then the Big 12 dies. AAC takes on whatever is left -- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and maybe West Virginia (if the Mountaineers don't get invited to the ACC).

If the Pac 12 declines to add any combo of Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU and Oklahoma State, then the Big 12 conference lives on with additions from the AAC (SMU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati being the most likely IMO).

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So far, this appears to me to be more about football than basketball. That may open some doors for solidifying some of the "only-basketball" schools. This could benefit the Flyers in the long run, as football (Kentucky aside) is far more important to the teams in the south and southeast than basketball.
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So far, this appears to me to be more about football than basketball. That may open some doors for solidifying some of the "only-basketball" schools. This could benefit the Flyers in the long run, as football (Kentucky aside) is far more important to the teams in the south and southeast than basketball.
Itís always about football. Itís the Big 12 and AAC teams that are going to be the ones facing decisions. The only true basketball-only school in either of those conferences is Wichita State. I suppose thereís a scenario where they decide they need to join a conference with other basketball-only schools - A10, Big East, Missouri ValleyÖ But I think itís a long shot to think the A10 will really be affected in any way by this shakeup. If the A10 wants to add schools, it certainly can but the candidates are the same ones the A10 probably could have added 4-5 years ago if they wanted.
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All of this talk about who's going to pick the carcass of the B12, or who the B12 is going to add to avoid certain death.

Has anyone considered the bargaining position of someone Virginia, Pitt, UNC Chapel Hill, and Duke has in the ACC?

How about Texas A&M and their stated goal to stay out of the shadow of Texas?

The B10 could add a few killer basketball schools, and not completely horrible (but not good) football schools from the ACC. The ACC could be left looking to add to their roster as well, that's what happens when dominoes start to fall. Suddenly you're the swing vote senator with a lot of power.

And, why must the B10 continue its requirement to be accredited? Simply flipping that arbitrary rule means you could approach Clemson and Florida State. Very un-B10 schools, but think of the scheduling possibilities in December.

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All of this talk about who's going to pick the carcass of the B12, or who the B12 is going to add to avoid certain death.



Has anyone considered the bargaining position of someone Virginia, Pitt, UNC Chapel Hill, and Duke has in the ACC?



How about Texas A&M and their stated goal to stay out of the shadow of Texas?



The B10 could add a few killer basketball schools, and not completely horrible (but not good) football schools from the ACC. The ACC could be left looking to add to their roster as well, that's what happens when dominoes start to fall. Suddenly you're the swing vote senator with a lot of power.



And, why must the B10 continue its requirement to be accredited? Simply flipping that arbitrary rule means you could approach Clemson and Florida State. Very un-B10 schools, but think of the scheduling possibilities in December.
I would be absolutely shocked if they flipped this rule. Big10 schools pool a lot of research grants together on the academic side because of their accreditation. These grants are worth many times more than the TV money for athletics. They won't risk that to make more money on athletics. Also, with the ego's of many Big10 Presidents, they see themselves on the same level as the Ivy's...They like being the exclusive conference.
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They*were*opposed to the season being longer until this little annoying thing coronavirus blue huge holes in their athletic budgets, rescheduled a season to have the conference championship games played on the Saturday before Christmas, you know, that sacred time when people are taking exams?, Among other things. basically, it made people admit all the platitudes about academics were a big lie. So now that the omission is out of the bag, might as well profit from that omission.
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I would be absolutely shocked if they flipped this rule. Big10 schools pool a lot of research grants together on the academic side because of their accreditation. These grants are worth many times more than the TV money for athletics. They won't risk that to make more money on athletics. Also, with the ego's of many Big10 Presidents, they see themselves on the same level as the Ivy's...They like being the exclusive conference.
The AAU status is much more important to B10 conferences than football dollars (see the addition of Maryland and Rutgers). Not only do federal research grant dollars dwarf football income, but boosts rankings and thus competition for international students which constitute upwards of 30% of university revenue streams. While college athletics receive the majority of media attention, there are much more important drivers of these decisions.
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I would be absolutely shocked if they flipped this rule. Big10 schools pool a lot of research grants together on the academic side because of their accreditation. These grants are worth many times more than the TV money for athletics. They won't risk that to make more money on athletics. Also, with the ego's of many Big10 Presidents, they see themselves on the same level as the Ivy's...They like being the exclusive conference.
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The AAU status is much more important to B10 conferences than football dollars (see the addition of Maryland and Rutgers). Not only do federal research grant dollars dwarf football income, but boosts rankings and thus competition for international students which constitute upwards of 30% of university revenue streams. While college athletics receive the majority of media attention, there are much more important drivers of these decisions.

And what's stopping them from doing both? See: Nebraska.


Continue to do your grants with Northwestern and the like, while NOT doing them with Florida State and Clemson. Then, continue collecting large(r) dollar amounts from football too. Use "and" not "or".

Add Virginia and Texas A&M and you are really killing it on multiple fronts.
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I would be absolutely shocked if they flipped this rule. Big10 schools pool a lot of research grants together on the academic side because of their accreditation. These grants are worth many times more than the TV money for athletics. They won't risk that to make more money on athletics. Also, with the ego's of many Big10 Presidents, they see themselves on the same level as the Ivy's...They like being the exclusive conference.
This makes Ga Tech a natural for the big 10. I would love that.
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And what's stopping them from doing both? See: Nebraska.


Continue to do your grants with Northwestern and the like, while NOT doing them with Florida State and Clemson. Then, continue collecting large(r) dollar amounts from football too. Use "and" not "or".

Add Virginia and Texas A&M and you are really killing it on multiple fronts.
Nebraska was an AAU member when the Big10 invited them. They were voted out of the AAU. Some believe it was due to switching from the Big12 to the Big10. The AAU President at the time (who was retiring at the end of the month of the vote) was formally the President at the University of Texas. Whether it was athletics related or not, there were some shady things happening with their removal.

I do not disagree with you, I think the Big10 should expand aggressively, but knowing how the Big10 thinks and how their Presidents are, it won't happen.
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